Homosexuality is a mental illness.
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Dun play with words.....u are becoming like the borned-again CK. If u are a believer, u will know what is negotiables and what is not.Originally posted by shade343:What are you talking about? So you are also taught that homosexuality is a sin? Well, all I have to say to you is this. Are you interested in God or are you interested in what you have been taught about God?
The message of love preached by u, that kind of love is not from the gospels I firmly believe.
We can dispute whether homosexuality is a sin until the cow comes home and u will still be convinced it is not. It's really up to u. -
WHo is CK?Originally posted by laoda99:Dun play with words.....u are becoming like the borned-again CK. If u are a believer, u will know what is negotiables and what is not.
The message of love preached by u, that kind of love is not from the gospels I firmly believe.
We can dispute whether homosexuality is a sin until the cow comes home and u will still be convinced it is not. It's really up to u.
What is wrong with the love I speak about? Love is universal, how can it be that the love you speak about is different from what I speak about? -
WHY DONT YOU GO TO WAR WITH THE MUSLIMS AND THE BUDDHISTS AND THE HINDUS and BURN DOWN GEYLANG?
WHY DONT YOU GO AND MURDER THE DOCTORS WHO PERFORM ABORTIONS?
WHY PICK ON HOMOSEXUALS?
LEAVE THE HOMOSEXUALS ALONE and stop condenming them
Take this as a direct revelation from God through me to you. Lest you be considered a coward and be cast into the sulphuric lake. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
Actuallly what is your problem?
[b]WHY DONT YOU GO TO WAR WITH THE MUSLIMS AND THE BUDDHISTS AND THE HINDUS and BURN DOWN GEYLANG?
WHY DONT YOU GO AND MURDER THE DOCTORS WHO PERFORM ABORTIONS?
WHY PICK ON HOMOSEXUALS?
LEAVE THE HOMOSEXUALS ALONE and stop condenming them
Take this as a direct revelation from God through me to you. Lest you be considered a coward and be cast into the sulphuric lake.[/b]
If homosexuals do not believe in the God of the Christian Bible, then so be it.
So who is discriminating homosexuals? The boss and HR - who may or may not be Christians. People from more conservative societies, like Singapore. Singapore is multi-racial, multi-religious, mind you.
So what is your problem?
I suspect Muslims are not "friendly" towards homosexuals either. Are homosexuals dealt with under Syriah Law? I hope not. Are they dealt with under Malaysian law? If it is criminal offence to kiss in public, I heard, then I worry for homosexuals.
So why don't you pick on Islam?
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You asked the right question.Originally posted by shade343:What are you talking about? So you are also taught that homosexuality is a sin? Well, all I have to say to you is this. Are you interested in God or are you interested in what you have been taught about God?
Are you interested in God?
Do you actively pursue an understanding of God's righteousness, justice and mercy? I'm sure you don't. You only talk about love.
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I don't see you people starting a topic Buddhism/Hinduism/Islam is a mental illness? Bully Kit Chit? Homosexuals are an easy target for you to parade you self righteous bigotry?Originally posted by Icemoon:Actuallly what is your problem?
If homosexuals do not believe in the God of the Christian Bible, then so be it.
So who is discriminating homosexuals? The boss and HR - who may or may not be Christians. People from more conservative societies, like Singapore. Singapore is multi-racial, multi-religious, mind you.
So what is your problem?
I suspect Muslims are not "friendly" towards homosexuals either. Are homosexuals dealt with under Syriah Law? I hope not. Are they dealt with under Malaysian law? If it is criminal offence to kiss in public, I heard, then I worry for homosexuals.
So why don't you pick on Islam?
Obviously you people don't. Bo ji ah? Shameless hypocrites!
Self righteous cowards. Your mission is not to condemn. You are not God. -
I think not, if you read carefully through the new testament, Yeshua many times said that if youOriginally posted by shade343:
I said jesus came to fulfill the law for the people of our times. Which part of that sentence do you not understand? Laws that are not applicaple today are discarded when Jesus did not say anything about it.
Wether jewish or not is not my concern. Can you say that the people under moses were a civilised bunch? If they were civilised and enlightened, why would they need the help of God and Moses?
As usual, a typical person filled with arrogance, ego and pride.
love me keep my commandments. What commandments did Yeshua mention love the Lord with all your heart, mind and strength and love your neighbour as yourself. In these two sentences, it is summed up the whole of the law. If you love God, obey His commands, where do we find His commands spelt out very clearly for us to understand? the old testament.
Can you say that we are a civilised bunch? I say that our depravity is no better but even worse. Just because we have technology etc... do you consider yourself enlightened? More so than ever we need the help and grace of Yahweh.
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we both are night owls... hehehOriginally posted by Icemoon:Poor wife of yours!
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Heng, maybe you would like to read this:Originally posted by HENG@:maybe u need to stop speculating. Like that makes u credible.
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. -
same question right back at ya. Are you interested in God or are you just interested in being taught about God?Originally posted by shade343:What are you talking about? So you are also taught that homosexuality is a sin? Well, all I have to say to you is this. Are you interested in God or are you interested in what you have been taught about God? -
I have gone for the weekend and it reaches page 14
I don't think you people can use this verse to justify that cowardice is a sin.
Tis is wat god is suppse to say in the relevation. He had explicitly mention tat "cowardly" will be burned in hell for a second death. If u r asking if not jumping from a 25m board means u r a coward, frankly speaking it depends on whether "god" itself feels u tis is sufficient to classified u as "cowardly" or not. The important thing is if he felt u r cowardly, u deserve to be in hell. Wat is the standard of "cowardly" can only be correct if u ask "god" yourself. Who knows maybe god expect all people to jump over buildings without hesistation or fight wars without fear just as he expect all men to not tell a single lie in his lifetime.
First, please do an exegesis and explain the context of the verse. Maybe SIS can help out.
There are many forms of cowardice, like me who don't dare to jump from the 25m diving board . I hope I am not sinning.refer to Leviticus 18:22, please note that this is prefaced at the start of the chapter in 18:1 "Than the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,...."
Arrr... but he said many things in leviticus.
Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
To make it very clear it goes on in verse 24 "Do not defile yourselves with any of these things;...."
This is not adding salt and pepper like the pharisees, it is a word spoken by the LORD.
Leviticus 11
1The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.
9 " 'Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to detest. 11 And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.
Leviticus 19
27 " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard
Hence christians should not eat pork, mussels, clams etc since they r against the words of the lord. Christians can not cut the hair oatthe sides of the head as well as the edges of the beard. Why isn't anyone following these few laws now ? They r also from the words of lord and carry as much weight as Leviticus 18:22. Why conveniently forgot these laws while surprisingly keep to tis particular law ? -
hi shade,Originally posted by shade343:Hmm..please define the term "believe"
i am a quite a simpleton. so might not be able to define.
but i'll try...
"believe" to me means acknowledging what Jesus did, said, was, is... as true as those recorded in the Bible.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
i dont recall our Lord teaching us to utter the words of wolves and theives.
[b]WHY DONT YOU GO TO WAR WITH THE MUSLIMS AND THE BUDDHISTS AND THE HINDUS and BURN DOWN GEYLANG?
WHY DONT YOU GO AND MURDER THE DOCTORS WHO PERFORM ABORTIONS?
WHY PICK ON HOMOSEXUALS?
LEAVE THE HOMOSEXUALS ALONE and stop condenming them
Take this as a direct revelation from God through me to you. Lest you be considered a coward and be cast into the sulphuric lake.[/b]
"Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God." - 2 Cor 4:2 -
Its precisely the fact that Im interested in God that I bothered to read up on the various religion and experience God myself.Originally posted by Icemoon:You asked the right question.
Are you interested in God?
Do you actively pursue an understanding of God's righteousness, justice and mercy? I'm sure you don't. You only talk about love.
It seems like your God and love are analogous.
What about you? Only the bible?
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According to your definition, yes. I believe in him. And I also believed that some things he said and taught were left out of the bible by people who were in control of the scriptures in the past.Originally posted by klydeer:hi shade,
i am a quite a simpleton. so might not be able to define.
but i'll try...
"believe" to me means acknowledging what Jesus did, said, was, is... as true as those recorded in the Bible.
so...do you believe in Jesus ?
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Like I said, those commandments were primarily meant for people of that time, are we still living in Moses time?Originally posted by breytonhartge:I think not, if you read carefully through the new testament, Yeshua many times said that if you
love me keep my commandments. What commandments did Yeshua mention love the Lord with all your heart, mind and strength and love your neighbour as yourself. In these two sentences, it is summed up the whole of the law. If you love God, obey His commands, where do we find His commands spelt out very clearly for us to understand? the old testament.
Can you say that we are a civilised bunch? I say that our depravity is no better but even worse. Just because we have technology etc... do you consider yourself enlightened? More so than ever we need the help and grace of Yahweh.
I wonder who is the one who is filled with arrogance, ego and pride?
So if your neighbour is gay and you discriminate and condemn his act, where is the love?
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By quoting 2 Cor 4; you have indicted yourself:Originally posted by klydeer:i dont recall our Lord teaching us to utter the words of wolves and theives.
"Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God." - 2 Cor 4:2
2 Cor 4: 1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, even as we obtained mercy, we don't faint.
Mercy, not condemnation.
2 Cor 4: 7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.
Not from your self serving self righteousness.
2 Cor 4: 11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus may be revealed in our mortal flesh.
A spirit of self sacrifice, not condemnation of others.
2 Cor 4: 18 while we don't look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
You look at homosexuals and homosexuals acts and you condemn. (we don't look at the things which are seen,) You are not omniscient, you cannot judge. You always see in limitation. You cannot judge. You are not God.
LEAVE THE HOMOSEXUALS ALONE and stop condenming them
Take this as a direct revelation from God through me to you. You are at present in the sulphuric lake. The lake is not a place, it is state that you are in right now. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
You really make me wonder if you belong to the JW.
By quoting 2 Cor 4; you have indicted yourself:
2 Cor 4: 1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, [b]even as we obtained mercy, we don't faint.
Mercy, not condemnation.
2 Cor 4: 7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.
Not from your self serving self righteousness.
2 Cor 4: 11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus may be revealed in our mortal flesh.
A spirit of self sacrifice, not condemnation of others.
2 Cor 4: 18 while we don't look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
You look at homosexuals and homosexuals acts and you condemn. (we don't look at the things which are seen,) You are not omniscient, you cannot judge. You always see in limitation. You cannot judge. You are not God.
LEAVE THE HOMOSEXUALS ALONE and stop condenming them
Take this as a direct revelation from God through me to you. You are at present in the sulphuric lake. The lake is not a place, it is state that you are in right now.[/b]
Revelation from God ? I dont think so. The God i know does not use a person who behave like a heretical wolf to speak of His Love and Message.
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thanks shade.Originally posted by shade343:According to your definition, yes. I believe in him. And I also believed that some things he said and taught were left out of the bible by people who were in control of the scriptures in the past.
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shadeOriginally posted by shade343:Like I said, those commandments were primarily meant for people of that time, are we still living in Moses time?
So if your neighbour is gay and you discriminate and condemn his act, where is the love?
God doesnt judge you based on your sexual orientation. Period.
i have many friends who are gay, I do not condone their lifestyle, yet I still do not judge them.
What I find is hilarious is that the non-christians here do not have the capacity to understand that whilst we as christians do not agree with or condone the act of homosexuality, we do not judge or condemn the person per se.
God does not judge the person based on his or her sexual orientation, God judges the person on whether he or she commits the act or not.
and yet you still do not get it, Yeshua already said keep the commandments... for people will have eyes but never see, ears and never hear... -
Yes as YHVH's children we should not do a lot of things, but please keep to the topic at hand. IT IS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY and whether YHVH says it is a sin, so stop trying to subvert the topic and draw attention away from the MAIN point which is EXACTLY that, HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN according to YHVH.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I have gone for the weekend and it reaches page 14
Arrr... but he said many things in leviticus.
Leviticus 11
1The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.
9 " 'Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to detest. 11 And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.
Leviticus 19
27 " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard
Hence christians should not eat pork, mussels, clams etc since they r against the words of the lord. Christians can not cut the hair oatthe sides of the head as well as the edges of the beard. Why isn't anyone following these few laws now ? They r also from the words of lord and carry as much weight as Leviticus 18:22. Why conveniently forgot these laws while surprisingly keep to tis particular law ? -
last I heard these so called minority people have more rights to freedom of expression and free speech than mainstream society let alone mainstream christianity...Originally posted by casino_king:I don't see you people starting a topic Buddhism/Hinduism/Islam is a mental illness? Bully Kit Chit? Homosexuals are an easy target for you to parade you self righteous bigotry?
Self righteous cowards. Your mission is not to condemn. You are not God. -
may I also add that as Christians we all have friends who have lifestyle contrary to the Christian faith, we also do not judge these....Originally posted by breytonhartge:shade
i have many friends who are gay, I do not condone their lifestyle, yet I still do not judge them.
What I find is hilarious is that the non-christians here do not have the capacity to understand that whilst we as christians do not agree with or condone the act of homosexuality, we do not judge or condemn the person per se.
God does not judge the person based on his or her sexual orientation, God judges the person on whether he or she commits the act or not.
and yet you still do not get it, Yeshua already said keep the commandments... for people will have eyes but never see, ears and never hear...
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Amen. The centrality of God's teaching is Love and Relationship anyways.Originally posted by Chin Eng:may I also add that as Christians we all have friends who have lifestyle contrary to the Christian faith, we also do not judge these....
no genuine Christians should ostracise another person because of the difference in beliefs.