Homosexuality is a mental illness.
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HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN according to YHVH
Many things r considered as sins according to YHVH such as eating pork and mussels. In fact they can be viewed as severe as homosexuality. Yet strangely christians still ate them as though it is nothing
Of course I guess they r trying to avoid tis topic altogether.God does not judge the person based on his or her sexual orientation, God judges the person on whether he or she commits the act or not
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Jus wonderin, how come eating mussels is a sin? It is just seafood right
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In the same book where brey foudn homosexual to be a sin, it also contains the following passage tat tell christians to eat only fish as the only seafood. Mussels r from sea, they have neither fins nor scales. They r suppsoe to be detestable to god and as such they can't eat it.
9 " 'Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to detest. 11 And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you. -
oh..sodesne.
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Tat is right. They can't eat pork either. Tat is why I feel it is puzzling tat christians eat all form of seafood as though it is nothing yet strangely treat homosexual as some form of diesease. It is really double standard
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Again, your replies smacks of arrogance and pride. So what if you are a christian?Originally posted by breytonhartge:shade
i have many friends who are gay, I do not condone their lifestyle, yet I still do not judge them.
What I find is hilarious is that the non-christians here do not have the capacity to understand that whilst we as christians do not agree with or condone the act of homosexuality, we do not judge or condemn the person per se.
God does not judge the person based on his or her sexual orientation, God judges the person on whether he or she commits the act or not.
and yet you still do not get it, Yeshua already said keep the commandments... for people will have eyes but never see, ears and never hear...
You called an act of love a sin. And worse, you justify it by correlating it to the scriptures which you do not even understand.
Lastly, I checked the ten commandements. None of it says "thou shall not commit an act of homosexuality".
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I was just wondering why did you specifically pick out mussels. Do you have a thing for mussels? Or did you just pluck that from the sky?
Oh well, did you know orange mussels are female and the white ones are male? Just a little piece of trivia info for you
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Well, I dont have to specifically mention here, but if you seek, you shall find.Originally posted by klydeer:thanks shade.
And what might these things be ? that are left out ? Any specific references you are making ?
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I was just wondering why did you specifically pick out mussels. Do you have a thing for mussels? Or did you just pluck that from the sky?
U can't expect me to put in all the other form of seafood in right ? Using mussels is just for convenience. If u like abalone more u can substitute "mussels" with abalone -
Thanks for the offer.Originally posted by shade343:Well, I dont have to specifically mention here, but if you seek, you shall find.
But personally, i have found what is required of me.
So nevermind.
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It is ok whatever you think of me. I have a duty to tell you the message, that is all. How you take it is up to you; just remember that God hates people who judge others. In the same way Jesus loved and associated with the prostitutes and tax collectors rather than the Pharasees.Originally posted by klydeer:You really make me wonder if you belong to the JW.
Revelation from God ? I dont think so. The God i know does not use a person who behave like a heretical wolf to speak of His Love and Message.
But of course, i am suspecting you are your own god.
Homosexuality is a perversion in the sense that it does not result in offsprings. In ancient times God had to speak out against it in very strong terms. Now with the over population and IVF and advancement in science. How the homosexual wants to live his life, God will not judge. If God does not and you continue to, well, I can only conclude that you think you are God.
That is the ORIGINAL SIN; man trying to be God. Humble yourself; have Faith in God and be Born Again. -
What are you trying to say here? That they will "convert" people to homosexuality? This is like the biggest joke I ever heard. You seriously believe that they can convert a straight to become a homosexual?Originally posted by breytonhartge:last I heard these so called minority people have more rights to freedom of expression and free speech than mainstream society let alone mainstream christianity...
They are speaking out because they are oppressed. When I was younger, a gay had a crush on me and tried so hard to seduce me. He was like begging and begging.
Finally to stop him I told him I had a girlfriend and I did not want to be unfaithful to my girlfriend.
That stopped him and really got him jealous and he even told me to come to him if I ever broke up with my girlfriend. That was so sweet of him.
Now I think back about it; it was so funny.
I was at a birthday party of a gay a few months back. There was this guy whom when asked why he was so busy on weekends pointed to another man and said, "Because of her lor."
I look at the 2 of them I wanted to puke but of course I didn't say anything and we still meet.
I can see how God loves them just as much as God loves anybody else. I can see how God will not judge them for doing their private business.
On the other hand, everytime I see people who go around condemning homosexual acts and try to stop people from doing it; I can see how annoyned God gets. -
I agree we don't judge others, in fact we ourself too are sinners and destined for Hell if its not because of what Christ Jesus had done for us.Originally posted by Chin Eng:may I also add that as Christians we all have friends who have lifestyle contrary to the Christian faith, we also do not judge these....
no genuine Christians should ostracise another person because of the difference in beliefs.
The thing is, we not judging others, does not mean we have to accept their lifestyles, especially so when the Bible specially says its wrong to live this way, also if the bible says its not right, it will be hypocritical of us, bible professing christians to says its alright to do so and still hold the bible as truth.
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CK,Originally posted by casino_king:What are you trying to say here? That they will "convert" people to homosexuality? This is like the biggest joke I ever heard. You seriously believe that they can convert a straight to become a homosexual?
They are speaking out because they are oppressed. When I was younger, a gay had a crush on me and tried so hard to seduce me. He was like begging and begging.
Finally to stop him I told him I had a girlfriend and I did not want to be unfaithful to my girlfriend.
That stopped him and really got him jealous and he even told me to come to him if I ever broke up with my girlfriend. That was so sweet of him.
Now I think back about it; it was so funny.
I was at a birthday party of a gay a few months back. There was this guy whom when asked why he was so busy on weekends pointed to another man and said, "Because of her lor."
I look at the 2 of them I wanted to puke but of course I didn't say anything and we still meet.
I can see how God loves them just as much as God loves anybody else. I can see how God will not judge them for doing their private business.
On the other hand, everytime I see people who go around condemning homosexual acts and try to stop people from doing it; I can see how annoyned God gets.
precisely what we had been saying
1) we don't go around condemning people, yes, even the homosexuals, the gamblers ...etc (we do not have the rights to do so anyway).
2) there is no obligations that we have to accept their lifestyles either, just like yourself, you do not condemn them, does not means you have to accept their lifestyle, right?
what annoyned me is that some folks are saying that if you do not accept their lifestyle as norm, you are a homophobia and you are a part of the hate chain, which is completely wrong. just like we do not condemn gamblers and want to help them, does not means we have to go around saying gambling is alright.
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Well and good; you act according to what you believe but you do not impose your beliefs on the homosexuals. You respect them as fellow human beings and you have no right to judge them.
You only have the right to judge yourself (actually you don't but if you want to then it is your own pasah.) I look at them and I have no doubt in my mind God loves them. Look at yourself and have no doubt that God loves you. The saddest part about judging others is that, it boomerangs and the one you hurt, is yourself. You think that God is like you; judging people all the time and you cannot come to Him.
One day, it really woke me up to hear a girl tell me: "I like to complain about (judge) other people, so I myself must behave properly."
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of course it is ok. whatever esle are u trying to solicit ?Originally posted by casino_king:It is ok whatever you think of me. I have a duty to tell you the message, that is all. How you take it is up to you; just remember that God hates people who judge others. In the same way Jesus loved and associated with the prostitutes and tax collectors rather than the Pharasees.
Homosexuality is a perversion in the sense that it does not result in offsprings. In ancient times God had to speak out against it in very strong terms. Now with the over population and IVF and advancement in science. How the homosexual wants to live his life, God will not judge. If God does not and you continue to, well, I can only conclude that you think you are God.
That is the ORIGINAL SIN; man trying to be God. Humble yourself; have Faith in God and be Born Again.
i am just saying that ur "duty" to tell whoever the message is not from the God i know. If you know you are right...no need to get so "hot" nor shout about it. Or is it because you are just pushing ur arrogance - even to the extent of swearing on issues you have no grasp of ?
On the one hand, u ask of others not to condemn, but u refer to homosexuality as a "perversion". Then u go on to say that God will not judge with the development of IVF and science ?
How in the world is IVF and science connected to God's judgement of homosexuality ? Are u actually suggesting that IVF is from God ?
Hold your horses, mr. What is there to conclude when what you say is nothing conclusive ? Read through my posts in this thread. In which word did i condemn homosexuality ? Point it out. -
You are so blind. In speaking out against homosexuality, you have condemned homosexuality. You have given yourself the power to condemn homosexuality. Homosexuality is a perversion in that the sex does not lead to pregnancy. Does that mean that is it automatically a sin with the connotations of Judgement and Hell fire?Originally posted by klydeer:of course it is ok. whatever esle are u trying to solicit ?
i am just saying that ur "duty" to tell whoever the message is not from the God i know. If you know you are right...no need to get so "hot" nor shout about it. Or is it because you are just pushing ur arrogance - even to the extent of swearing on issues you have no grasp of ?
On the one hand, u ask of others not to condemn, but u refer to homosexuality as a "perversion". Then u go on to say that God will not judge with the development of IVF and science ?
How in the world is IVF and science connected to God's judgement of homosexuality ? Are u actually suggesting that IVF is from God ?
Hold your horses, mr. What is there to conclude when what you say is nothing conclusive ? Read through my posts in this thread. In which word did i condemn homosexuality ? Point it out. -
hmm. accepting another person's choice of lifestyle??? I am ok with it as long as this person does not bend/misquote scripture to do so.Originally posted by vince69:I agree we don't judge others, in fact we ourself too are sinners and destined for Hell if its not because of what Christ Jesus had done for us.
The thing is, we not judging others, does not mean we have to accept their lifestyles, especially so when the Bible specially says its wrong to live this way, also if the bible says its not right, it will be hypocritical of us, bible professing christians to says its alright to do so and still hold the bible as truth.
God bless.
I don't see accepting another person's choice being similar to saying that it's alright. It means that accepting that others have the prerogative to choose whatever they want. -
Some people here accuse Christians to be double standard because Christians pick and choose what to keep and what to discard, according to them.
So now I ask - if someone is able to keep the OT and NT, or keep the OT, then how?
Homosexuality suddenly become all-right because of consistency?
So I conclude - either they are desperate (running out of ideas) or they just have an axe to grind.
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CK is CKOriginally posted by shade343:WHo is CK?
What is wrong with the love I speak about? Love is universal, how can it be that the love you speak about is different from what I speak about?
the kind of love u speak about is wrong becoz it totally ignored the judgemental part of God....and u are still playing with words here... -
ambiguity.......Originally posted by shade343:Well, I dont have to specifically mention here, but if you seek, you shall find. -
U dun even know what is the concept of original sin...and u are talking abt born again?Originally posted by casino_king:It is ok whatever you think of me. I have a duty to tell you the message, that is all. How you take it is up to you; just remember that God hates people who judge others. In the same way Jesus loved and associated with the prostitutes and tax collectors rather than the Pharasees.
Homosexuality is a perversion in the sense that it does not result in offsprings. In ancient times God had to speak out against it in very strong terms. Now with the over population and IVF and advancement in science. How the homosexual wants to live his life, God will not judge. If God does not and you continue to, well, I can only conclude that you think you are God.
That is the ORIGINAL SIN; man trying to be God. Humble yourself; have Faith in God and be Born Again. -
What kind of private business are u talking abt?Originally posted by casino_king:I can see how God will not judge them for doing their private business. -
The ironic part....they want Christians to see it their way....tat homosexuality is not a sin and the bible is a erronous book compiled by men....and tat's double standards....Originally posted by Chin Eng:hmm. accepting another person's choice of lifestyle??? I am ok with it as long as this person does not bend/misquote scripture to do so.
I don't see accepting another person's choice being similar to saying that it's alright. It means that accepting that others have the prerogative to choose whatever they want.
the funny thing is...some of them keep on quoting scriptures from the bible after they blast christians/bible......selective??? -
Huh .. when did believing in another religion become a mental illness?Originally posted by casino_king:I don't see you people starting a topic Buddhism/Hinduism/Islam is a mental illness? Bully Kit Chit? Homosexuals are an easy target for you to parade you self righteous bigotry?
Self righteous cowards. Your mission is not to condemn. You are not God.
I think if you have nothing constructive to say, then please shut up. You are looking like a fool now.
I think Christians are an easy target for you people to parade your self righteous bigotry and, may I add, misguided notion.
Cannot hood Islam so come and hood Christians ah?
Hypocrites.