american bishop believes homosexuality is not a sin
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So stop scaring yourself with evil thoughts and do not condemn anybody just as God does not condemn you and is in fact ready and able to give you eternal life.
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So stop scaring yourself with evil thoughts and do not condemn anybody just as God does not condemn you and is in fact ready and able to give you eternal life.
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yes, you!Originally posted by casino_king:Do you know what sotong is?
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So you don't after all, no wonder you cannot find my posts that are directly relevant to the topic.Originally posted by breytonhartge:yes, you! 
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you have not answered the question, not condemning does not mean that you are born again... lame answer!Originally posted by casino_king:for one, I do not condemn, like Jesus. -
Born Again people do not condemn, like Jesus.Originally posted by breytonhartge:you have not answered the question, not condemning does not mean that you are born again... lame answer! -
still another lame answer... you are side stepping the issue, you still have not proven that you are born again and we are not.Originally posted by casino_king:Born Again people do not condemn, like Jesus. -
28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.Originally posted by casino_king:When Jesus talked about the "dead" in "graves;" he was referring to his listeners (verse 24 referring to those who "has passed out of death" ...) and because He said, the day will come and "now is."
I dun care dead or alive (sounds like a game to me .. hmm) .. but can you shed some light on the part in red?
I realize you have conveniently ignored the most important part again. As usual.
Remember, your stand is Jesus does not condemn. So I see a discrepancy between your stand and the part in red.
Furthermore, I did say Jesus believe in heavenly judgement, not physical punishment. So there you have it .. my view supported by the Scripture I quoted. -
your posts have only been relevant to one thing, yourself.Originally posted by casino_king:So you don't after all, no wonder you cannot find my posts that are directly relevant to the topic. -
Born again people like the Apostle Paul condemned the homosexuals, the x, the y, the z ..Originally posted by casino_king:Born Again people do not condemn, like Jesus.
HEY .. YOU HAVEN'T REFUTED THE PAULINE VERSE LEH!!
Or are you going to say, list the verse and we take a look? -
ok .. so who condemns people to eternal punishment?Originally posted by casino_king:For your information my friend, without being born of spirit, you are already "gone away to eternal punishment." That which is flesh is flesh... without "spirit" you are separated from God and once you die, the separation is eternal.
The moment you are born of spirit, you are an eternal being in tune with God. The passing away of the "flesh" becomes of no consequence.
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As I said, the LAW condemned already... for someone like you who is bent on condemning people, you will read condemnation in Jesus where there is none... I pity you. This is how condemnation works, you condemn others, you condemn yourself.Originally posted by Icemoon:28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
I dun care dead or alive (sounds like a game to me .. hmm) .. but can you shed some light on the part in red?
I realize you have conveniently ignored the most important part again. As usual.
Remember, your stand is Jesus does not condemn. So I see a discrepancy between your stand and the part in red.
Furthermore, I did say Jesus believe in heavenly judgement, not physical punishment. So there you have it .. my view supported by the Scripture I quoted. -
What is this "eternal punishment" to you?Originally posted by Icemoon:ok .. so who condemns people to eternal punishment? -
You are the one who provided the John 5 and Matthew 25 versesOriginally posted by Icemoon:Born again people like the Apostle Paul condemned the homosexuals, the x, the y, the z ..
HEY .. YOU HAVEN'T REFUTED THE PAULINE VERSE LEH!!
Or are you going to say, list the verse and we take a look? -
what law condemned already?Originally posted by casino_king:As I said, the LAW condemned already... for someone like you who is bent on condemning people, you will read condemnation in Jesus where there is none... I pity you. This is how condemnation works, you condemn others, you condemn yourself.
remember the context is the dead (like you said) .. and they will rise TO BE CONDEMNED.
you want to take grammer class? -
so are you going to refute the pauline verse?Originally posted by casino_king:You are the one who provided the John 5 and Matthew 25 verses
pls dun say list it and we have a look. -
does it matter?Originally posted by casino_king:What is this "eternal punishment" to you?
a punishment has to be administered. so who is the administrator? -
Please quote and mark in RED where it says... "TO BE CONDEMNED?"Originally posted by Icemoon:what law condemned already?
remember the context is the dead (like you said) .. and they will rise TO BE CONDEMNED.
you want to take grammer class?
Like I said, by insisting on LAW (see the context, Jesus healed the sick on a sabbath, which is a no no under the LAW) for salvation, they were already condemned. Jesus came to save all these condemned people... not to condemn them
"and now is" get it? Already dead. -
I asked you to list and you listed John and Matthew and now you accuse me of ignoring the Pauline verses that you did not includeOriginally posted by Icemoon:so are you going to refute the pauline verse?
pls dun say list it and we have a look. -
There is no need for administration... you are already dead... without spirit, you are dead. Once the conditions that kept your flesh alive are no longer there, your flesh dies too...Originally posted by Icemoon:does it matter?
a punishment has to be administered. so who is the administrator? -
28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.Originally posted by casino_king:Please quote and mark in RED where it says... "TO BE CONDEMNED?"
Like I said, by insisting on LAW (see the context, Jesus healed the sick on a sabbath, which is a no no under the LAW) for salvation, they were already condemned. Jesus came to save all these condemned people... not to condemned them
"and now is" get it? Already dead.
by the way, there is no LAW saying you can't heal on the Sabbath. where . . show me? -
so you condemn others you also condemn yourself. so how can you be any different. there is no difference to the word condemn, does not matter what you "condemn"... so in this instance by saying that EHers cannot be born again, what are you doing? condemning... so you are condemned too.Originally posted by casino_king:As I said, the LAW condemned already... for someone like you who is bent on condemning people, you will read condemnation in Jesus where there is none... I pity you. This is how condemnation works, you condemn others, you condemn yourself. -
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.Originally posted by casino_king:I asked you to list and you listed John and Matthew and now you accuse me of ignoring the Pauline verses that you did not include
you are screwed, I tell you. There is no way you can carry on this argument of yours.
put it this way .. Apostle Paul's reaction upon seeing the prostitute would be - "unless you repent, you will not inherit the kingdom of God". -
now look who is condemning?Originally posted by casino_king:There is no need for administration... you are already dead... without spirit, you are dead. Once the conditions that kept your flesh alive are no longer there, your flesh dies too... -
ASV: and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.
BBE: And they will come out; those who have done good, into the new life; and those who have done evil, to be judged.
DBY: and shall go forth; those that have practised good, to resurrection of life, and those that have done evil, to resurrection of judgment.
KJV: And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
WEY: they who have done what is right to the resurrection of Life, and they whose actions have been evil to the resurrection of judgement.
WBS: And shall come forth; they that have done good to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.
WEB: and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.
YLT: and they shall come forth; those who did the good things to a rising again of life, and those who practised the evil things to a rising again of judgment.
Click anywhere on the above for the link... there are so many translations.
Like I said, it refers to people who have put themselves under the LAW (see the context, Jesus healed on a Sabbath and they were seething; ) so Jesus told them clearly that they were condemned people... condemned by the LAW
Jesus came to save all these condemned people, not to condemn them, they were already condemned by the LAW.