As human being, prayer to gods is a self believe cannot impose on other people. All people can choose their own choice, prayer is for your own self belive. Don,t talk bad about others, try to praise the good side. This apply in the pratical life. When time come to believe, they will believe. No harm hav a discussion. I pray but i dont talk bad about others believe. There is always a bad apple in a family , groups.
As human being, prayer to gods is a self believe cannot impose on other people. All people can choose their own choice, prayer is for your own self belive. Don,t talk bad about others, try to praise the good side. This apply in the pratical life. When time come to believe, they will believe. No harm hav a discussion. I pray but i dont talk bad about others believe. There is always a bad apple in a family , groups.
Find me a church that can last 10 years without tithing/ offering
church should be small in size, don't save soul. just stay inside the 4 wall of a church.
so they won't be called a cult by some ppl especially 1 or another 1 person who just listen to rumours.
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. intellect is limited because it is fueled by recorded discoveries.
like, there used to be a time when everyone thought the world was flat, it was intellegent to think that the world was flat, and it was unintellegent to think that the world is round.
until it was discovered that the earth had always been round.
logical or intellectual, they are people who question the story of adam and eve.
Originally posted by 721:As human being, prayer to gods is a self believe cannot impose on other people. All people can choose their own choice, prayer is for your own self belive. Don,t talk bad about others, try to praise the good side. This apply in the pratical life. When time come to believe, they will believe. No harm hav a discussion. I pray but i dont talk bad about others believe. There is always a bad apple in a family , groups.
Well said.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
logical or intellectual, they are people who question the story of adam and eve.
define the "they are people"
Originally posted by youyayu:define the "they are people"
why scrutinize? They are people - these are the non believers. Hope you will not find fault with this group of people
Originally posted by Fantagf:
why scrutinize? They are people - these are the non believers. Hope you will not find fault with this group of people
so why are you bring these group of ppl into the conversation? you already said that they are non belivers?
is like. a person without IT knowledge belive that there is only Mircosoft Operating System
Originally posted by youyayu:so why are you bring these group of ppl into the conversation? you already said that they are non belivers?
is like. a person without IT knowledge belive that there is only Mircosoft Operating System
I am not talking to you. So there is no need to take it so personally. shoo!
Originally posted by Fantagf:
I am not talking to you. So there is no need to take it so personally. shoo!
typical female. lose and ask people to shoo.
Originally posted by 721:As human being, prayer to gods is a self believe cannot impose on other people. All people can choose their own choice, prayer is for your own self belive. Don,t talk bad about others, try to praise the good side. This apply in the pratical life. When time come to believe, they will believe. No harm hav a discussion. I pray but i dont talk bad about others believe. There is always a bad apple in a family , groups.
i think it's good to share, but share lovingly and intelligently.
it's the trend nowadays, that it's no longer enough to just share what you know.
because in this age, people don't believe not because it's not good, or that it's unintelligent, or there's no evidence, or there's no facts, or whatever.
they don't believe, because they don't want to. you can lay it out on the table, all kinds of facts and evidences, and theories, and anything, and they won't believe. simply because they just will it.
in the best case scenario, they will listen and engage abit, then put it at the back of their mind and forget about it later.
in the worst case scenario, they just brush it aside obstinately. die also won't believe just to prove a point or to piss you off.
Originally posted by youyayu:typical female. lose and ask people to shoo.
I did not lose. where is your humility that god requires of you? any love of god you practise to show others God's love?
They people means may be they will become the beliver later if things happen to them later. Dont always so fast catories them into non believer. When times come nobody can escape from fate. If we afriad of going to hell, then who go. Everybody make mistakes, telling lies, excuses, buy shares, 4D, quarrel with parents and regreted. Its is just time for them to find a proper guidian. When people grow older they grow wiser and start to rethink what they had done in the past and start to correct thenselve in the way. Heaven will be very crowded with 1 type of people only.
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i think it's good to share, but share lovingly and intelligently.
it's the trend nowadays, that it's no longer enough to just share what you know.
because in this age, people don't believe not because it's not good, or that it's unintelligent, or there's no evidence, or there's no facts, or whatever.
they don't believe, because they don't want to. you can lay it out on the table, all kinds of facts and evidences, and theories, and anything, and they won't believe. simply because they just will it.
in the best case scenario, they will listen and engage abit, then put it at the back of their mind and forget about it later.
in the worst case scenario, they just brush it aside obstinately. die also won't believe just to prove a point or to piss you off.
No worry, there are christians with strategy to reach out to the people. Long time ago know of a christian attending this kind of course.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
I did not lose. where is your humility that god requires of you? any love of god you practise to show others God's love?
shall not, will not must not. to you.
Originally posted by 721:They people means may be they will become the beliver later if things happen to them later. Dont always so fast catories them into non believer. When times come nobody can escape from fate. If we afriad of going to hell, then who go. Everybody make mistakes, telling lies, excuses, buy shares, 4D, quarrel with parents and regreted. Its is just time for them to find a proper guidian. When people grow older they grow wiser and start to rethink what they had done in the past and start to correct thenselve in the way. Heaven will be very crowded with 1 type of people only.
I believe in respect others decision to choose their belief.
Originally posted by youyayu:typical female. lose and ask people to shoo.
lol. just when i needed an example to illustrate my point. =)
it's like that nowadays. u'd think that in the face of all the painfully gathered facts gathered by believers, they will be convinced, or at least question their initial stand.
but the truth is this. people don't believe because they simply will themselves not to believe. you can produce all kinds of evidences, they still won't believe just to prove a point that they can be as obstinate even if they are wrong.
even if they cannot retort, they will just ask you to shoo.
i think the root problem is pride. nobody likes to know that they are wrong. so even if they are proven wrong, their reaction is to be a hardcore obstinate. at least can save face and piss the other party off.
Originally posted by youyayu:shall not, will not must not. to you.
oops, this is "god's" love you show. what a disgrace to God.
I prefer to talk to mature growing christians, definitely not you.
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:lol. just when i needed an example to illustrate my point. =)
it's like that nowadays. u'd think that in the face of all the painfully gathered facts gathered by believers, they will be convinced, or at least question their initial stand.
but the truth is this. people don't believe because they simply will themselves not to believe. you can produce all kinds of evidences, they still won't believe just to prove a point.
even if they cannot retort, they will just ask you to shoo.
oh yes, good one. thank you for showing "god's" love.
is it difficult to respect others' decision to choose their belief, religions?
Originally posted by Fantagf:
No worry, there are christians with strategy to reach out to the people. Long time ago know of a christian attending this kind of course.
haha. i attended 1 session. interesting, but forgot everything already.
I have a couple of friends who accepted Christ because they see so much of love of god in those few friends of theirs.
living as example will allow preaching of the gospel easier.
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:haha. i attended 1 session. interesting, but forgot everything already.
You really sure you wanna talk to me after giving comments about the shoo?
Originally posted by youyayu:shall not, will not must not. to you.
Why are you so offensive like "a bear who lost her cubs"?
Who would you represent in have this attitude? How do you want people to look at the teachings that you received?
Aren't you representing Chirst our Lord when you discuss in the forum as well?
Please refrain from being ungodly... It also display a bad image for your church that you've been trying to defend...
o-O heated discussion
Originally posted by Fantagf:oh yes, good one. thank you for showing "god's" love.
is it difficult to respect others' decision to choose their belief, religions?
i'm not talking about showing God's love - because it is so subjective. why is it subjective? because everyone wants to be treated only in the way they want to be treated.
to a christian, they want to share because they love you (not everyone of course, some do it because they are asked to do it). if they sincerely believe that you are doomed without Jesus, or to sugarcoat it - they sincerely believe your life would be better off with Jesus, wouldn't it be unloving not to share with you?
but to a non believer, it is "unloving" because they feel uncomfortable.
let me ask you a question. if you have a friend who just discovered he's a diabetic and is uneducated about living life as a diabetic, and you are a diabetic and you know about insulin shots and all that. and he needs that insulin shot to live.
is it unloving to share what you know with your newly diabetic friend, introducing him to insulin shots and all that.
but that diabetic friend says you are unloving because you kept trying to convince him to poke himself with the syringe and it hurts.
so what is being "loving" or "unloving"?