Originally posted by ƒlame:I understand, but no one is perfect. Normal to have such politics here.
I know of some christians who were disillusioned with the faith. one even said he was brought up a christian, but he doesnt believe the hell thingy lol. I think he is a free thinker now.
Originally posted by Rooney9:I know of some christians who were disillusioned with the faith. one even said he was brought up a christian, but he doesnt believe the hell thingy lol. I think he is a free thinker now.
All may be Christian but some are fake.
Originally posted by ƒlame:All may be Christian but some are fake.
I encouraged you to think deeper and analyse further. keep an open mind.
Y'all can continue for all eternity on this topic I am going to You Tube now to see how far is Planet Nibiru from Earth>LOL
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Yes, I agree that your reply is "Wow. Stunning" because after all that is said, "I can say with complete honesty and pride that science does not know all the answers to origins of life" and "eventual answer is "We don't know. Yet."
So what reasons do we have to "burn our Bible" and go to science?
Because science will have all the answers eventually. While religion thinks they have the right answers and refuses to change them.
Therefore they get all angry when science refutes what they've been saying for years. The vatican has apologised for galileo and copericus in the 1980s, sooner or later they'll apologise for evolution as well.
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:I agrees that some events in the Bible may not have happened exactly as it was described or may not even have happened at all.....
But so what? What is the purpose of the Bible?
And what's wrong with Bible being the Word of God?
Even if everything described in he Bible did not happen and they are "false"? The Bible when understood in the proper context is about the teachings that God wants us to follow - I.E. to love each other.
If everyone follows the teachings of love, compassion and charity, why would that be any harm?
Before I am misquoted, the Bible teaching is true from cover to cover.
The Bible is in no way in conflict with science.
So what's the problem?
Love and compassion and morality is ingrained into the human psyche. You don't need to teach those.
No, the real problem with the bible is that it tries to be a science book too, and all sorts of idiotic stuff like creationsism and geocentrism is interfering with scientific progress. So you can preach your morality and what not to people if they care, but you will have to acknowledge that most of the historical and scientific implications behind it was false.
Originally posted by Rooney9:stop defending the indefensible. its dogmatic and irrational to outsiders. dunno why got people still blindly believe in its teachings. thats the thing with any god religion.
Actually, there is nothing for me to defnd because you simply do not even know what you are talking about.....so defend what? Yes, try to be rational...otherwise, it's just you whinning about things you have no ideas about.....
Originally posted by Superaragon:
Because science will have all the answers eventually. While religion thinks they have the right answers and refuses to change them.Therefore they get all angry when science refutes what they've been saying for years. The vatican has apologised for galileo and copericus in the 1980s, sooner or later they'll apologise for evolution as well.
Religion don't think they have the right answers....they know they do.
Science think they can find the answer but till now is no where near.........
Read about the Galileo stuff I have posted some where with a link to a Catholic website. And no, I don't think they are angry with science and in fact they have lots of involvement with science and it's up to you to go find out the truth.
You can go on and wait for the answers "eventually" BUT you really have no idea when this "eventually" will come about or if it will ever come...
Originally posted by Superaragon:Love and compassion and morality is ingrained into the human psyche. You don't need to teach those.
No, the real problem with the bible is that it tries to be a science book too, and all sorts of idiotic stuff like creationsism and geocentrism is interfering with scientific progress. So you can preach your morality and what not to people if they care, but you will have to acknowledge that most of the historical and scientific implications behind it was false.
I don't know what you mean by "Love and compassion and morality is ingrained into the human psyche" is it a scientific fact or did you just make it up?
If there is no need to teach, then why have moral education in school and why even have laws in every country?
The Bible is not a science book, never try to be one and never will be one....The real problem is people like you who does not understand that keeps saying that it is.....but the truth is - it is not.
As I said before, the Bible teaching is true from cover to cover if you understand it in the proper contex. If you don't understand (like now although you think you do), it is your choice to either find out or continue to think you know....
If I were you, I choose to find out so that when I understand better, I have more bullets to fire at Christians instead of firing blanks...
Originally posted by Rooney9:I encouraged you to think deeper and analyse further. keep an open mind.
so should you
Originally posted by Rooney9:what has god or any god religions in this world contributed to mankind? extremism, bigotry, eccentricism, fanataism etc.
Just did a simple google on hospice which provide care for cancer which is the No1 killer in Singapore.....the results you can check at http://www.singaporehospice.org.sg/7.4_providersandservices.htm
This is just ONE of the many example.......At least 5 out of the 8 listed hospices are religion based......
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Actually, there is nothing for me to defnd because you simply do not even know what you are talking about.....so defend what? Yes, try to be rational...otherwise, it's just you whinning about things you have no ideas about.....
if this is not defending, I dunno what is. everybody knows what this religion is about. pls scroll up and read for pete's sake. and you are not whining here lol. You sure you have any idea what you are talking yourself?
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Just did a simple google on hospice which provide care for cancer which is the No1 killer in Singapore.....the results you can check at http://www.singaporehospice.org.sg/7.4_providersandservices.htm
This is just ONE of the many example.......At least 5 out of the 8 listed hospices are religion based......
thats humans starting the hospices under the religion. pls try to adhere to the thread pls. even the concept of god is invented by men.
ever wonder when one day, it dawned on you that all the worshipping and praying to god, you realised there is no god when you die. all your efforts come to nought and you are hoodwinked and misled all along.
Originally posted by ƒlame:All may be Christian but some are fake.
you mean when they are baptised, they were fakes all along? havent you heard of christians losing their faith and convert to other religions or a free thinker?
Originally posted by Rooney9:You sure you have any idea what you are talking yourself?
Originally posted by Rooney9:you mean when they are baptised, they were fakes all along? havent you heard of christians losing their faith and convert to other religions or a free thinker?
I encourage you to understand more about baptism before you question something. Haven't you heard of Christians who strengthen their faiths during their darkest hour ?
Originally posted by Superaragon:
Because science will have all the answers eventually. While religion thinks they have the right answers and refuses to change them.Therefore they get all angry when science refutes what they've been saying for years. The vatican has apologised for galileo and copericus in the 1980s, sooner or later they'll apologise for evolution as well.
what did galileo and copericus do?
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Religion don't think they have the right answers....they know they do.
Science think they can find the answer but till now is no where near.........
Read about the Galileo stuff I have posted some where with a link to a Catholic website. And no, I don't think they are angry with science and in fact they have lots of involvement with science and it's up to you to go find out the truth.
You can go on and wait for the answers "eventually" BUT you really have no idea when this "eventually" will come about or if it will ever come...
Alright then. I guess that means we're screwed. Lets stop this stupid thing called science. Why try to look for the answers when we may not eventually find them? Lets turn to religion instead. So much easier. You don't even have to use your brain. Just keep chanting what they tell you to everyday.
No need for stupid things like electricity and clean water. No TVs or internet or handphones. No medicine or healthcare. Why need all these things? Just have God can already lah.
/sarcasm
Originally posted by Rooney9:thats humans starting the hospices under the religion. pls try to adhere to the thread pls. even the concept of god is invented by men.
I am answering your questions on what has God done ..... and these humans are all religious and guided by the teachings of their faith to serve the community. Try harder and you see Christians have the most involvement. Because they respond to God's teaching of love, compassion and charity. For the beneficiaries (regardless of faith), God loves them all and thru His followers, He showed His love and care for them. So much for God does not exist.....
So what if everything is "invented by man" when the faith actually leads one to live a better life and serve the community? And this is based on facts as the good works done by them has proven.
What have you atheist done? Care to share with us?
Originally posted by Rooney9:
2000 years ago, whatever the church or pastor said, you accept it, sort of like blind faith, no questions asked. if you asked or challenged it, the pastor or church will say you lack faith in god. when you ask them why there are earthquakes, they will tell you its act of god and if you query them further, they will tell you its fate, god plan or punishment to bad people who have sinned. this type of reply will gobsmacked you to your face. the list goes on and on.
Originally posted by Rooney9:if this is not defending, I dunno what is. everybody knows what this religion is about. pls scroll up and read for pete's sake. and you are not whining here lol. You sure you have any idea what you are talking yourself?
Defending what? You cannot even simply says it.....and look at the above quote of what you said. Based on that, I says you have no idea what you are talking about....Care to clarify and explain what you said and is it factual or hear say?
Otherwise, you can continue your whinnings...
Originally posted by Superaragon:
Alright then. I guess that means we're screwed. Lets stop this stupid thing called science. Why try to look for the answers when we may not eventually find them? Lets turn to religion instead. So much easier. You don't even have to use your brain. Just keep chanting what they tell you to everyday.No need for stupid things like electricity and clean water. No TVs or internet or handphones. No medicine or healthcare. Why need all these things? Just have God can already lah.
/sarcasm
You guessed wrongly.............
First, pls explain why you did not respond to questions on what you mean by "Love and compassion and morality is ingrained into the human psyche" is it a scientific fact or did you just make it up?
Secondly, when did anyone here said that we don't need science? The fact is science till date has no answer to the origin of life......and since when did I said that we should stop looking for answers?
As much as you speculate that science may one day find the answer, the truth is you don't know if it will happen or will ever happen. I said we already know the answer but not everyone wants to accept the answer and that's your choice.
So, until science can proved the origins of life as otherwise, we stick to what we already know.
Yes, maybe you can claimed that there is no God and we are just putting our faith blindly......and yet you have no proof that there is no God...
On the other hand, you feel very intelligent putting your faith in science as if it is an alternative religion and yet, there is no assurance that science ever find the answer....A case of being disillusioned with the science? (sounds familiar?)
Yes, there is no need for a lot of things to survive......you need air and water and all other lives (our food chain) also need that. Where did air and water come from? Ahh, that means we do need God?
Your reply is not sarcastic at all.....it's childish.
Originally posted by Rooney9:ever wonder when one day, it dawned on you that all the worshipping and praying to god, you realised there is no god when you die. all your efforts come to nought and you are hoodwinked and misled all along.
No problem at all as long as my faith is teaching me to live right.
What about you? What happen if you are proved wrong?