Originally posted by Happyinfo2:No problem at all as long as my faith is teaching me to live right.
What about you? What happen if you are proved wrong?
gg =)
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:You guessed wrongly.............
First, pls explain why you did not respond to questions on what you mean by "Love and compassion and morality is ingrained into the human psyche" is it a scientific fact or did you just make it up?
Secondly, when did anyone here said that we don't need science? The fact is science till date has no answer to the origin of life......and since when did I said that we should stop looking for answers?
As much as you speculate that science may one day find the answer, the truth is you don't know if it will happen or will ever happen. I said we already know the answer but not everyone wants to accept the answer and that's your choice.
So, until science can proved the origins of life as otherwise, we stick to what we already know.
Yes, maybe you can claimed that there is no God and we are just putting our faith blindly......and yet you have no proof that there is no God...
On the other hand, you feel very intelligent putting your faith in science as if it is an alternative religion and yet, there is no assurance that science ever find the answer....A case of being disillusioned with the science? (sounds familiar?)
Yes, there is no need for a lot of things to survive......you need air and water and all other lives (our food chain) also need that. Where did air and water come from? Ahh, that means we do need God?
Your reply is not sarcastic at all.....it's childish.
First, yes, all emotions can be traced by having an MRI scan done to your brain. Thats why scientists can say which parts of the brain does what. It cannot actually manufacture the emotion, but you know the brain uses chemical electrical pathways in the specific area of the cortex.
Secondly, I'm not familiar with your line of reasoning.
"So, until science can proved the origins of life as otherwise, we stick to what we already know."
What do you already know? A few lines from a dusty old book written 2000 years ago by cavemen and has not been updated since? Seriously. All that love and compassion stuff in the bible may be alright, but when it starts commenting about the physical realm, it gets ugly.
Because the physical realm belongs to science. Earth made 6000 years ago? Testable. God created man and animals? Testable. Earth the center of the universe? Testable. And guess what? Science tested them, and the bible was ABSOLUTELY wrong.
"where did air and water come from?" The big bang and the supernovas of stars apparently. Certainly not god.
"and yet you have no proof that there is no God..." If you have ever studied logic or philosophy, the "burden of proof" is your side. So don't tell me that there's a god and i can't disprove it. YOU prove it, its YOUR claim that god exists.
Although science may not have all the answers, at least we're going the right way. At least we're moving in the right direction. If you're going to say "god did it" at every step of the way, we're never going to move forward, and maybe even backwards.
Imagine if Thomas Edison said God did it. We won't have lightbulbs.
Imagine if Newton said God did it. We won't have the theory of Gravity.
Imagine if Einstein said God did it. We wouldn't have nuclear power or a understanding of the universe.
Try to look at the universe without god. I've look at it with god before, and it all seems so childishly easy, just applying god to everything, and saying god works in mysterious ways when you don't understand something.
Try instead to THINK, to find out what happened, instead of blaming it on some invisible, untouchable, apparation that can do anything.
Originally posted by Superaragon:First, yes, all emotions can be traced by having an MRI scan done to your brain. Thats why scientists can say which parts of the brain does what. It cannot actually manufacture the emotion, but you know the brain uses chemical electrical pathways in the specific area of the cortex.
Secondly, I'm not familiar with your line of reasoning.
"So, until science can proved the origins of life as otherwise, we stick to what we already know."
What do you already know? A few lines from a dusty old book written 2000 years ago by cavemen and has not been updated since? Seriously. All that love and compassion stuff in the bible may be alright, but when it starts commenting about the physical realm, it gets ugly.
Because the physical realm belongs to science. Earth made 6000 years ago? Testable. God created man and animals? Testable. Earth the center of the universe? Testable. And guess what? Science tested them, and the bible was ABSOLUTELY wrong.
"where did air and water come from?" The big bang and the supernovas of stars apparently. Certainly not god.
"and yet you have no proof that there is no God..." If you have ever studied logic or philosophy, the "burden of proof" is your side. So don't tell me that there's a god and i can't disprove it. YOU prove it, its YOUR claim that god exists.
Although science may not have all the answers, at least we're going the right way. At least we're moving in the right direction. If you're going to say "god did it" at every step of the way, we're never going to move forward, and maybe even backwards.
Imagine if Thomas Edison said God did it. We won't have lightbulbs.
Imagine if Newton said God did it. We won't have the theory of Gravity.
Imagine if Einstein said God did it. We wouldn't have nuclear power or a understanding of the universe.
Try to look at the universe without god. I've look at it with god before, and it all seems so childishly easy, just applying god to everything, and saying god works in mysterious ways when you don't understand something.
Try instead to THINK, to find out what happened, instead of blaming it on some invisible, untouchable, apparation that can do anything.
Where does the bible say earth is 6000 years old?
Where does the bible say the earth is the center of the universe?
If there's no maker of man and animals, is it more logical to say that man evolved from apes?
Originally posted by Superaragon:First, yes, all emotions can be traced by having an MRI scan done to your brain. Thats why scientists can say which parts of the brain does what. It cannot actually manufacture the emotion, but you know the brain uses chemical electrical pathways in the specific area of the cortex.
First of all, since you choose not to response to what you mean by "Love and compassion and morality is ingrained into the human psyche" I would conclude that you made that up.
And what you said above has no relation to what we are talking about....
Originally posted by Superaragon:
Secondly, I'm not familiar with your line of reasoning.
"So, until science can proved the origins of life as otherwise, we stick to what we already know."
What do you already know? A few lines from a dusty old book written 2000 years ago by cavemen and has not been updated since? Seriously. All that love and compassion stuff in the bible may be alright, but when it starts commenting about the physical realm, it gets ugly.
We all know that God created everything......it is you who did not accept that and wants us to follow you and put our faith in something that has yet to find any answer to the origins of life.......
Get your facts right as the Bible is not written by cavemen....go and find out before you start talking nonsense.....and as I said before, the Bible is not a science book, it never was and never will be......
Originally posted by Superaragon:Because the physical realm belongs to science. Earth made 6000 years ago? Testable. God created man and animals? Testable. Earth the center of the universe? Testable. And guess what? Science tested them, and the bible was ABSOLUTELY wrong.
googoomuck already challenged you on this.....so will not repeat.
Originally posted by Superaragon:"where did air and water come from?" The big bang and the supernovas of stars apparently. Certainly not god.
That's what you like to think but yet, you have no proof of it.....either to proved that it was not created by God nor it was due to the big bang whatever that bang might be....
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:We all know that God created everything......it is you who did not accept that and wants us to follow you and put our faith in something that has yet to find any answer to the origins of life.......
Get your facts right as the Bible is not written by cavemen....go and find out before you start talking nonsense.....and as I said before, the Bible is not a science book, it never was and never will be......
Even if science can't fully explain the universe, at the very least it has some shred of credibility, basing one's life and belief on an old, ancient text that somehow claims to be prophecy?
Another thing, if god is all powerful and merciful, where did he go during the gassing of his "chosen race" in WWII?
Originally posted by Superaragon:"and yet you have no proof that there is no God..." If you have ever studied logic or philosophy, the "burden of proof" is your side. So don't tell me that there's a god and i can't disprove it. YOU prove it, its YOUR claim that god exists.
Although science may not have all the answers, at least we're going the right way. At least we're moving in the right direction. If you're going to say "god did it" at every step of the way, we're never going to move forward, and maybe even backwards.
What kind of logic do you study?
This is a Christian forum and you are here to says God does not exist......and because you make such accussation, the "burden of proof" is on us ??
If you are even sure of what you are saying, you will be here with proof that this is what science has dsicovered about the origins of life and thus, the whole thing about God is false......
But you are sure proud to tell me that till date, science has found NOTHING to proof origins of life and that "eventually" science will find it one day.....so wait till that day come and you can tell me God does not exist.
And you expect us to give up on God and bet on speculations that one day something might be discovered? IMO that day will NEVER come because God is our creator - period.
Science and religions can co-exist and science can and do help us understand God's creation better.....But it will never prove that God does not exist....because He do.
Originally posted by Superaragon:Try to look at the universe without god. I've look at it with god before, and it all seems so childishly easy, just applying god to everything, and saying god works in mysterious ways when you don't understand something.
Try instead to THINK, to find out what happened, instead of blaming it on some invisible, untouchable, apparation that can do anything.
Your failure to understand God before does not mean He did not exist....and your disbelief does not make Him false.....
What makes you think that Christians do not study and find out what they do not understand? You just go on and make baseless assumption......
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:What kind of logic do you study?
This is a Christian forum and you are here to says God does not exist......and because you make such accussation, the "burden of proof" is on us ??
If you are even sure of what you are saying, you will be here with proof that this is what science has dsicovered about the origins of life and thus, the whole thing about God is false......
But you are sure proud to tell me that till date, science has found NOTHING to proof origins of life and that "eventually" science will find it one day.....so wait till that day come and you can tell me God does not exist.
And you expect us to give up on God and bet on speculations that one day something might be discovered? IMO that day will NEVER come because God is our creator - period.
Science and religions can co-exist and science can and do help us understand God's creation better.....But it will never prove that God does not exist....because He do.
If science has not proven anything, neither has religion, both sides are just talking about it.
Originally posted by dadeadman1337:Even if science can't fully explain the universe, at the very least it has some shred of credibility, basing one's life and belief on an old, ancient text that somehow claims to be prophecy?
Another thing, if god is all powerful and merciful, where did he go during the gassing of his "chosen race" in WWII?
Where did you get the idea that when bad things happen, there is no God?
Originally posted by dadeadman1337:If science has not proven anything, neither has religion, both sides are just talking about it.
Christianity has already proven it 2000+ years ago.....it is just that you do not want to accept it.
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Christianity has already proven it 2000+ years ago.....it is just that you do not want to accept it.
Proven? By claims that a man rose from the dead? When bad things happen, it either means there is no god, or he's not as good as you make him out to be
Originally posted by dadeadman1337:Proven? By claims that a man rose from the dead? When bad things happen, it either means there is no god, or he's not as good as you make him out to be
That's what you choose to think....but is that true? So if there is God and you want to do something bad, God will appear and kick you in your butt stop you? And there will be no bad people around anymore?
Even with Jesus walking on this earth, bad things happened and it even happened to Jesus....
The challenge is.....what do you choose because God do give you the freedom to choose and He also gives you intelligence to discern.....
If you choose to believed that He does not exist, so be it. But your disbelieves does not means He does not exist.....He does not exist only to you.
And of course, everything is proven with the coming of Jesus....and He will come again....be prepared.
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:That's what you choose to think....but is that true? So if there is God and you want to do something bad, God will appear and kick you in your butt stop you? And there will be no bad people around anymore?
Even with Jesus walking on this earth, bad things happened and it even happened to Jesus....
The challenge is.....what do you choose because God do give you the freedom to choose and He also gives you intelligence to discern.....
If you choose to believed that He does not exist, so be it. But you disbelieves does not means He does not exist.....He does not exist only to you.
And of course, everything is proven with the coming of Jesus....and He will come again....be prepared.
Free will? When god killed the egyptians forcing them to free the jews, when he brought down the tower of babel, what happened to their free will?
The part about the coming of jesus, like what u said a few posts above, is but speculation
You choose to believe in the bible, which means that you agree that you're gonna be doomed, coz according to the bible, you are not one of the people of his chosen, master race, the jews.
Originally posted by dadeadman1337:Free will? When god killed the egyptians forcing them to free the jews, when he brought down the tower of babel, what happened to their free will?
The part about the coming of jesus, like what u said a few posts above, is but speculation
You choose to believe in the bible, which means that you agree that you're gonna be doomed, coz according to the bible, you are not one of the people of his chosen, master race, the jews.
Jesus came and will come again. The Risen Christ is not speculation but fact with eye witnesses.......
Being a Christians is not about being a Jew and your comments simply showed that you have no understanding of the Bible at all. Do go and find out.......
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Jesus came and will come again. The Risen Christ is not speculation but fact with eye witnesses.......
Being a Christians is not about being a Jew and your comments simply showed that you have no understanding of the Bible at all. Do go and find out.......
Considering that the only eyewitness records are in what the bible says, a book by christians for christians, it is unreliable as evidence.
Do you believe the bible? It also has other things which u never hear pastors/priests talk about, (Chronicles 15:13 That whosoever would
not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or
great, whether man or woman.) and many other such verses.
I have said many a time, concept of god was invented by man. what is there to argue about?
Originally posted by dadeadman1337:Considering that the only eyewitness records are in what the bible says, a book by christians for christians, it is unreliable as evidence.
Do you believe the bible? It also has other things which u never hear pastors/priests talk about, (Chronicles 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.) and many other such verses.
I suggest that you do a serious seraching before commenting...
The Bible is not a book by the Christians for the Christians....it's a book about the truth of God and is for everyone.....
And why should you discount the eyewitness as unreliable evidence? Based on what standard? Just to suit your cause?
The Bible is not about 1 verses or a few selected verses.......or do you think it is so?
Originally posted by Rooney9:I have said many a time, concept of god was invented by man. what is there to argue about?
I said many times, you are too full of yourself
Originally posted by dadeadman1337:Free will? When god killed the egyptians forcing them to free the jews, when he brought down the tower of babel, what happened to their free will?
The part about the coming of jesus, like what u said a few posts above, is but speculation
You choose to believe in the bible, which means that you agree that you're gonna be doomed, coz according to the bible, you are not one of the people of his chosen, master race, the jews.
Hi, the bible did mention why God killed the egyptians. Please research more about it before you talk.
Originally posted by ƒlame:I said many times, you are too full of yourself
no its not said by me, but I agreed and concurred. thats why I said go and hear the comments outside your religion.
Originally posted by Rooney9:I have said many a time, concept of god was invented by man. what is there to argue about?
Yes, such a concept that the "concept of god was invented by man" is invented by faithless man which is baseless.....and nothing to argue about because it is baseless and false. So don't say it again since you already said many times...
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Yes, such a concept that the "concept of god was invented by man" is invented by faithless man which is baseless.....and nothing to argue about because it is baseless and false. So don't say it again since you already said many times...
then how to proof that god is not invented by men? how do you proof that god is not false and baseless?