Originally posted by Rooney9:then how to proof that god is not invented by men? how do you proof that god is not false and baseless?
Since you asked, I supposed that you agreed that your "concept" is baseless and false.
On the other hand, God is not false and baseless because there are facts, history as well as His works.....remember the answer to your questions of what God has done for mankind?
You can choose to see it or choose to ignore it......but He is there nonetheless.
Originally posted by Rooney9:then how to proof that god is not invented by men? how do you proof that god is not false and baseless?
hey, there are 2 sides to a coin but u can't seem to see the other side or rather refused to see?
it can always be ask the other way...
"then how to proof that God is invented by men? how do you proof that God is false and baseless?" :)
Happyinfo2, jus let it go...many tried & left them to be where they wan to be. At the end of the day, God sees ur efforts & will reward u accordingly. let the rest worry abt themselves.
Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:Happyinfo2, jus let it go...many tried & left them to be where they wan to be. At the end of the day, God sees ur efforts & will reward u accordingly. let the rest worry abt themselves.
+1
Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:Happyinfo2, jus let it go...many tried & left them to be where they wan to be. At the end of the day, God sees ur efforts & will reward u accordingly. let the rest worry abt themselves.
Thank-you. What I see here are many youngsters who tried to be "complicated" and "educated" so much so that they become so proud that they deny there is God. And they conclude with wrong ideas / misconceptions about the faith and produced those rubbish here thinking they are real smart.....and knowledgeable of the Christian faith...One claimed to almost becoming a pastor, some claimed to have studied the bible, being a ex-Christian, having photo as proof but never produce any etc.....
And their idea of science with evidences and proof have no answer to the origin of life.....and yet they claimed that the Bible version is fake....Yet, they have no concrete evidence and proof in any scientitic way to prove that God does not exist....
They will choose not to respond and go on to another thread and post the same old rubbish over and over again....
Then, they come charging that Christains should proved that God do exist....and yet they will choose to ignore facts and evidence....Yes, they choose to ignore God.
To conclude, most are here not because they think God does not exist....in fact, most if not all are simply unsure if God do exist. Thus, their need to distort the existance of God so that they can "feel safer".
Just my 2 cents worth.
the thread title reads "Does God exist?" Plain and simple. but we get a whole lot of stuff like, the bible is full of mistakes...God is an evil God...if He was this, why did He do that? one thing i notice abt such stuff is tat they nvr answered the thread title. such statements/qns are merely asking/stating abt the reasons y God did/didnt do certain things. or like, wads the pt of believing in Him if He was evil? however, they still dun answer the thread title. For God to be evil, He has to 1st exist rite? why God didnt/did do certan things? again, He has to exist 1st in order to do/didnt do certain things rite?
moreover, even if the bible is full of mistakes. it still doesnt prove that there is no God. Mistakes can happen in 2 ways. 1) imperfect human beings misinterpreted them. 2) the writers of the bible who themselves were humans made mistakes. ok, maybe the bible was wrong abt the existence of the christian God, then wad abt Allah? wad abt the jewish God? in fact, they made a very gd pt by saying tat the bible is written by man and hence is full of mistakes. tat onli shows the imperfection of human beings, INCLUDING themselves. so while the bible is full of mistakes cos it was written by imperfect humans, wad abt the bible was tot to have mistakes cos it was misinterpreted by imperfect humans who tot they knew betta???
Originally posted by despondent:the thread title reads "Does God exist?" Plain and simple. but we get a whole lot of stuff like, the bible is full of mistakes...God is an evil God...if He was this, why did He do that? one thing i notice abt such stuff is tat they nvr answered the thread title. such statements/qns are merely asking/stating abt the reasons y God did/didnt do certain things. or like, wads the pt of believing in Him if He was evil? however, they still dun answer the thread title. For God to be evil, He has to 1st exist rite? why God didnt/did do certan things? again, He has to exist 1st in order to do/didnt do certain things rite?
moreover, even if the bible is full of mistakes. it still doesnt prove that there is no God. Mistakes can happen in 2 ways. 1) imperfect human beings misinterpreted them. 2) the writers of the bible who themselves were humans made mistakes. ok, maybe the bible was wrong abt the existence of the christian God, then wad abt Allah? wad abt the jewish God? in fact, they made a very gd pt by saying tat the bible is written by man and hence is full of mistakes. tat onli shows the imperfection of human beings, INCLUDING themselves. so while the bible is full of mistakes cos it was written by imperfect humans, wad abt the bible was tot to have mistakes cos it was misinterpreted by imperfect humans who tot they knew betta???
I tell you why? cos its written by people, thats why it is full of contradictions, dogma etc. if only this world and the universes can be simply explained and articulated by god. but its not that simple, its more complex and difficult to comprehend.
The thoughts of righteousness will give you peace and courage to face Worldly challenges.
Originally posted by Rooney9:I tell you why? cos its written by people, thats why it is full of contradictions, dogma etc. if only this world and the universes can be simply explained and articulated by god. but its not that simple, its more complex and difficult to comprehend.
Contradictions, dogmas and whatever you want to call it happened because people like to read it literally .... more than they should.
In actual fact, there are NO contradictions within the Bible. I agree it is not that simple to understand and thus, it takes times to understand and some efforts is needed.
Like what despondent said:"wad abt the bible was tot to have mistakes cos it was misinterpreted by imperfect humans who tot they knew betta???"
One can choose to learn more about the Bible or continue to post rubbish due to their lack of understanding and showing that they know nothing of the faith.
Mankind has come a long way since 2009 years ago. science and technology also has come a long way since the backward and ancient civilisations of 2009 years ago. science, medicine, technology has enabled mankind to understand the things they didnt 2009 years ago. by using god, satan, heaven and hell to explain everything in this world and the universe is way too incomprehensible ie illogic to say the least and simple. if not we would mistake natural diasters as acts of god, but they are not. they are just natural occurences or phenomenon, or simply put nature, not god punishing mankind. we now understand how the techtonic plates collide to form mountains and valleys.
hai...until now, nobody here has proved tat God DOES NOT EXIST....
Originally posted by despondent:hai...until now, nobody here has proved tat God DOES NOT EXIST....
never has and never will. how about the pope make a pact with god, to obtain evidence there is god, maybe the pope can film god in video to proof there is god after all.
hmmm...i have nvr seen rooney9 b4...maybe he doesnt exist...
oh no! tat means i have been toking to someone whom i have nvr seen and hence dun exist! oh man, i muz be going bonkers!!! ARRRRRghhh
Originally posted by despondent:hmmm...i have nvr seen rooney9 b4...maybe he doesnt exist...
you visited andes mountain? then andes mountain doesnt exist. you seen your great great grandfather b4?
Originally posted by despondent:hai...until now, nobody here has proved tat God DOES NOT EXIST....
until now nobody has proved that god exist. haiz sigh...........
correct...so many things dun exist uncluding ur brain cos u nvr seen it unless u done a CT scan or X-ray...oops...so do we have brains?
Originally posted by Rooney9:Mankind has come a long way since 2009 years ago. science and technology also has come a long way since the backward and ancient civilisations of 2009 years ago. science, medicine, technology has enabled mankind to understand the things they didnt 2009 years ago. by using god, satan, heaven and hell to explain everything in this world and the universe is way too incomprehensible ie illogic to say the least and simple. if not we would mistake natural diasters as acts of god, but they are not. they are just natural occurences or phenomenon, or simply put nature, not god punishing mankind. we now understand how the techtonic plates collide to form mountains and valleys.
Yes, I agree with you that science and technology has come a long way but nothing has make God's existance, His teachings and the Bible redundant.
Science do help to enable mankind to understand things better but science has never been able to explain origins of life or to prove that God does not exist! The simple reason being that God created everything!
I do not know where did you get the idea that natural diasters is a form of "god punishing mankind"............
Wonder why people are now talking about going green and using less of the air-con and emitting less pollution etc? It simply means going back to nature....
And ever wonder why people are saying yo avoid fast food etc....and going back to organic food? It simply means going back to nature....
Why? Because God created nature and all the food we need.......human "kekiang" and mess up everything....so more dieases and health problems and enviromental issues and it becomes too much to handle.....so now they says, go green, go organic etc...and save our earth!
And it will be really illogical to turn to science when they have no answers to origin of life. As far as science is concerned, it only helps to prove God's existance.
Originally posted by Rooney9:never has and never will. how about the pope make a pact with god, to obtain evidence there is god, maybe the pope can film god in video to proof there is god after all.
Maybe you can make a pact with sciencetist to bring back the 2 big mass that contribute to your "big-bang" man made theory and show it to us and we might just think what you say holds a little water....
Originally posted by despondent:hai...until now, nobody here has proved tat God DOES NOT EXIST....
You are right....and nobody will ever be able to prove that God does not exist because He does.
Originally posted by Rooney9:you visited andes mountain? then andes mountain doesnt exist. you seen your great great grandfather b4?
I suppose you are saying that you don't need the Pope to film God on video before you believed that He exist right? Just like you believed that your great grandfather existed before right?......aiyah you just slap yourself leh...
Originally posted by Rooney9:until now nobody has proved that god exist. haiz sigh...........
History, facts and the works God has done thru His people via His teachings has already proven beyond doubts.......
and even science has proven God existed because they tried very hard to find another explanation to the origin of life but have yet to be able to do so.....
and their need to find alternatives speaks volumes of their beliefs that God created everything since they found no alternatives.
Try proving to us that God does not exist with sciencetific prove, evidence or logical reasonings which you believed in....You provided NOTHING so far...only man-made speculation....
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Why? Because God created nature and all the food we need.......human "kekiang" and mess up everything....so more dieases and health problems and enviromental issues and it becomes too much to handle.....so now they says, go green, go organic etc...and save our earth!
And it will be really illogical to turn to science when they have no answers to origin of life. As far as science is concerned, it only helps to prove God's existance.
there you go yet again, creationist theory / theology, using god to explain everything. if thats the case, no need to advance in science already, cos its god doing. its god will. when you ask why god created the planet Mars, they will tell you because god is song, so he created Mars on top of the many planets in our universes.
where does the phrase "acts of god" came from? the use of acts of god now refers to natural diasters, aye.
Originally posted by Rooney9:there you go yet again, creationist theory / theology, using god to explain everything. if thats the case, no need to advance in science already, cos its god doing. its god will. when you ask why god created the planet Mars, they will tell you because god is song, so he created Mars on top of the many planets in our universes.
where does the phrase "acts of god" came from? the use of acts of god now refers to natural diasters, aye.
there you go again....since when did I said we don't need to advance science?
The fact is science cannot explain the origin of life which is God's creation....and that's a fact. A fact that you cannot accept and yet have no other explanations....
So where did the phrase "acts of god" came from? You tell me.....
Natural disaters is not man-made.....but man's action do play a part in causing them....and everything in nature is made by God. What's the problem?
You avoided many questions in the posts above and would be good if you answer them point to point.