Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:Whether i will be forgiven or not is judged by God, not man. And I'm extremely astonished to hear dat u will never believe in Jesus again.
John 3:16-18?
God loved the world so much that He gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him may not be lost, but may have eternal life.
For God sent His Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but so that through Him, the world might be saved.
No one who believes in Him will be condemn, but whoever refuses to believe in Him is condemned already, because he has refused to believe in the name of God's only Son.
read again, I believe in Yeshua, not jesus. jesus is a fake, an idol. Yeshua is my Maschiach (Messiah) and yes He came to save the world and yes, He came so that I may have eternal life.
Go google Yeshua.
I know who I believe in, do you know who this jesus you believe in is?
I have not at all lost my faith but instead have found it with great zeal and passion, to truly know your Maschiach and not the concocted version that the church preaches.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:read again, I believe in Yeshua, not jesus. jesus is a fake, an idol. Yeshua is my Maschiach (Messiah) and yes He came to save the world and yes, He came so that I may have eternal life.
Go google Yeshua.
I know who I believe in, do you know who this jesus you believe in is?
I have not at all lost my faith but instead have found it with great zeal and passion, to truly know your Maschiach and not the concocted version that the church preaches.
i do not need to google Yeshua. The bible has more info than any website.
if Jesus is fake, how do u explain the gospel of John 3:16-18? fake in ur perception too?
Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:i do not need to google Yeshua. The bible has more info than any website.
if Jesus is fake, how do u explain the gospel of John 3:16-18? fake in ur perception too?
I think he means, he believes Jesus' actual name is Yeshua. And therefore, all people who believe in Jesus should call Jesus by his actual name, Yeshua, and not the name Jesus.
According to some research, the term for the name "Jesus" comes from some pagan origins. And therefore, some believers in Yeshua(the hebrew or actual name of Jesus" refuses to call Yeshua by the name Jesus.
Originally posted by S.gal83:
I think he means, he believes Jesus' actual name is Yeshua. And therefore, all people who believe in Jesus should call Jesus by his actual name, Yeshua, and not the name Jesus.According to some research, the term for the name "Jesus" comes from some pagan origins. And therefore, some believers in Yeshua(the hebrew or actual name of Jesus" refuses to call Yeshua by the name Jesus.
'Jesus' as in the english language? Jesus & Yeshua are the same person.
Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:'Jesus' as in the english language? Jesus & Yeshua are the same person.
jesus is not Yeshua, hence I asked you to go back and learn who your Messiah is. What do you know about Him? How did He live? Did He go to church or synagogue? Did He keep the Sabbath?
Originally posted by breytonhartge:jesus is not Yeshua, hence I asked you to go back and learn who your Messiah is. What do you know about Him? How did He live? Did He go to church or synagogue? Did He keep the Sabbath?
Hebrew = Yeshua
Greek = Lesous
Latin = Jesu
English = Jesus
So they are 4 different persons if dats wat u meant?
Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:Hebrew = Yeshua
Greek = Lesous
Latin = Jesu
English = Jesus
So they are 4 different persons if dats wat u meant?
no only two different people, the jesus in english is the jesu in latin as well the isous in greek, but they are not Yeshua. Know who your Messiah is. Understand His origins, how He would have lived, His background and compare that to what you know the church teaches about Him and then see if jesus is Yeshua?
Originally posted by breytonhartge:no only two different people, the jesus in english is the jesu in latin as well the isous in greek, but they are not Yeshua. Know who your Messiah is. Understand His origins, how He would have lived, His background and compare that to what you know the church teaches about Him and then see if jesus is Yeshua?
Ok u dun wan me to use Jesus i suit u...Yeshua is sent by God the Father/Yahweh into this world to save us from our sins. ...Yeshua, the Messiah, the Son of Man, the Lamb of God, the Son of David is Christ Jesus...this understanding is from the english bible i have and yes my church teaches this in english, im not sure abt ur church. and is ur bible in english?
Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:Ok u dun wan me to use Jesus i suit u...Yeshua is sent by God the Father/Yahweh into this world to save us from our sins. ...Yeshua, the Messiah, the Son of Man, the Lamb of God, the Son of David is Christ Jesus...this understanding is from the english bible i have and yes my church teaches this in english, im not sure abt ur church. and is ur bible in english?
still you are using the church version of the jesus... and he is still a fake and an idol. I know where you are coming from and I reject that view. By this very post you show me that you do not know who your Messiah is. We do not believe in the same saviour.
just changing names does not change the context in which you understand Yeshua, and it does not change the view which you put across.
HEY LAODA99!!! LONG TIME NO SEE!!! hows it been for u man??? welcome back!!!
Originally posted by despondent:HEY LAODA99!!! LONG TIME NO SEE!!! hows it been for u man??? welcome back!!!
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anyway, thanks for supporting my view tat being God's creation dun mean we r His children...i strongly believe tat a r/s is a 2-way thing n a father n child r/s goes more than juz the father loving the son...the son must also accept the father...
to a child who has ran away from hm, hate his parents n refuse to acknowledge them anymore...can we still consider him having a r/s wif his parents??? his parents may see him as their child but until he achknowledges them, theres no parent-child r/s...he is onli their child in name n theory onli...
Originally posted by breytonhartge:still you are using the church version of the jesus... and he is still a fake and an idol. I know where you are coming from and I reject that view. By this very post you show me that you do not know who your Messiah is. We do not believe in the same saviour.
Yes i been a catholic for 30 yrs & i know who my messiah is. I believed in God the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit. i dun know if u think is this the same as believing in Yahweh, Yeshua & Ruach Hakodesh. Perhaps we went thru different christian teachings since young & therefore u hav had a set of perceptions dat are way different from mine. No one is to say who's right & who's wrong here. I do not know which church u attend in the past but i too believed dat they had taught u a load of crap. But at the end of the day, all mankind are children of Yahweh, our Father in heaven. It's up to the individual to accept this.
It's certainly nice talking with u & i certainly gain more knowledge with ur sensible arguments rather than wasting my time with some tyrant who only's interested in rolling people over with immature replies.
Again tks for ur time bro, take care :)
Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:Yes i been a catholic for 30 yrs & i know who my messiah is. I believed in God the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit. i dun know if u think is this the same as believing in Yahweh, Yeshua & Ruach Hakodesh. Perhaps we went thru different christian teachings since young & therefore u hav had a set of perceptions dat are way different from mine. No one is to say who's right & who's wrong here. I do not know which church u attend in the past but i too believed dat they had taught u a load of crap. But at the end of the day, all mankind are children of Yahweh, our Father in heaven. It's up to the individual to accept this.
It's certainly nice talking with u & i certainly gain more knowledge with ur sensible arguments rather than wasting my time with some tyrant who only's interested in rolling people over with immature replies.
Again tks for ur time bro, take care :)
I will only say this, if you are His child, you will do what He wants you to do, not what the church says He wants you to do. There is a big difference. The churches I have attended in the past are all well known churches, holy spirit, wesley, fcbc, st andrews, calvary charismatic etc... so if you think they teach crap, how now?
the point here is not about the church, all I am saying that the church today is not telling the people who have come seeking Yahweh the truth, and instead of leading them to Yahweh, they are leading them away from Him, they teach things against His word, in the wrong context etc... who is this god that the churches teach about??
brey, u havent answered my qn to the christians...have been waiting...haha...so wad do u tink? being God's creation means we r His children???
Originally posted by despondent:brey, u havent answered my qn to the christians...have been waiting...haha...so wad do u tink? being God's creation means we r His children???
you trying to get me into trouble ah? ; )
Animals, trees, mountains etc are all God's creations. Does that make them God's children?
exactly, tats my pt...while its also true lah tat humans r diff in tat we r created in His image n tat God breathed life into us, tat still doesnt automatically make all humans his children the moment we r born...
actually at the beginning, we were suppose to be His children from the day we were born...however, the fall of adam cos humans to be separated from God...from then onwards, anyone who wan to be His child has to acknowledge Him as Father...it is no longer automatic due to the original sin of Adam tat is in us from the day we r born...
Originally posted by breytonhartge:I will only say this, if you are His child, you will do what He wants you to do, not what the church says He wants you to do. There is a big difference. The churches I have attended in the past are all well known churches, holy spirit, wesley, fcbc, st andrews, calvary charismatic etc... so if you think they teach crap, how now?
the point here is not about the church, all I am saying that the church today is not telling the people who have come seeking Yahweh the truth, and instead of leading them to Yahweh, they are leading them away from Him, they teach things against His word, in the wrong context etc... who is this god that the churches teach about??
satan of course...
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