what happen to kong hee dishonesty case?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Lol.
You know your heart.
And your God looks into your heart what you were trying to do, whether you were trying to defend the wrongdoers.
LoL.. so you believe there is a God Or not ? Wow.. now u know God ?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Do you know about AWARE?
Classic case of christian zealots pushing their religion in the public's face and infringing into a secular organisation.
IF you are ignorant of the AWARE thing, please dont make silly comments.
Do I look like I give a damn about AWARE ? Do u see massive supporters rallying behind the flag ? Do U see me saying I agree with AWARE ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
LoL.. so you believe there is a God Or not ?
sure I will believe it when it appears in science journals as a fact
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
sure I will believe it when it appears in science journals as a fact
Then, until that day has come. U can always not post in Eternal Hope. Because neither me or you can prove or disprove withthe current understanding of our science, methology and technology.
So why are we still arguing ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Do I look like I give a damn about AWARE ? Do u see massive supporters rallying behind the flag ? Do U see me saying I agree with AWARE ?
You are very funny I realise, BM
You always ask a question and when we give you the answer, you say you dont care. This is the 2nd time you have done that.
You said previously "Zealots will be pushing thier faith in your face. I seem to recall non of anything like that."
Since you dont recall anything like that, thats why i quoted you the AWARE saga.
Then suddenly you say you dont care.
Seriously, I was just trying to show you an example, which apparently you cannot recall.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
You are very funny I realise, BM
You always ask a question and when we give you the answer, you say you dont care. This is the 2nd time you have done that.
You said previously "Zealots will be pushing thier faith in your face. I seem to recall non of anything like that."
Since you dont recall anything like that, thats why i quoted you the AWARE saga.
Then suddenly you say you dont care.
Seriously, I was just trying to show you an example, which apparently you cannot recall.
Of course I dont care. Do I look like I know Rony Tan or AWARE or really give a damn on what they do ? The authorities seem to have taken action, so why do I need to worry ? I don't go around telling other peoples religion is bad and that they are going to hell did I ? I didn't. Nor do I evangelise.
What AWARE does is AWARE's problem, and honestly, I dont even know what is AWARE doing there until you people mentioned AWARE in the forumes about a year ago or so.
Its obvious that there are people who took offence in whatever they did or going to do , but what is it got to do with me ?
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You said previously "Zealots will be pushing thier faith in your face. I seem to recall non of anything like that."
Yes, and I said I did not do anythign like this to you guys. Did I shove it in your faces ? Or anyone's faces ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
You said previously "Zealots will be pushing thier faith in your face. I seem to recall non of anything like that."
Yes, and I said I did not do anythign like this to you guys. Did I shove it in your faces ? Or anyone's faces ?
No you didnt.
BUT you said previously "Zealots will be pushing thier faith in your face. I seem to recall non of anything like that."
So I was trying to correct you because you say no zealots push their faith in our faces.
So i correct you by reminding you of the AWARE saga. Thats all.
I never say you are like that. :)
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
No you didnt.
BUT you said previously "Zealots will be pushing thier faith in your face. I seem to recall non of anything like that."
So I was trying to correct you because you say no zealots push their faith in our faces.
So i correct you by reminding you of the AWARE saga. Thats all.
I never say you are like that. :)
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ya ya ya ya ya I compared him to me
fancy you twisting and diverting attention from the qns. Yes I know you zealots style. twisting facts to bend your faith, I know
" by Jacky Woo.If not, then why u quote my reply to him ?
You want me to tell u honestly ? I really dont give a crap.. in fact, I really dont know what this whole AWARE issue was. I know there are Christians in it, but thats about it.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
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ya ya ya ya ya I compared him to me
fancy you twisting and diverting attention from the qns. Yes I know you zealots style. twisting facts to bend your faith, I know
" by Jacky Woo.If not, then why u quote my reply to him ?
Ok you are not like that. Ok?
Just saying there ARE christian who push their religion on others.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Ok you are not like that. Ok?
Just saying there ARE christian who push their religion on others.
Of course. There are always some either left or right wing people trying to exert influences.
But the interesting thing about democracy is that, hopefully, when there are extremist views, they do not get enough support and thus becoming more liberal in order to get parliamentary support. I think I starting to remember now. AWARE is some political group ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Of course. There are always some either left or right wing people trying to exert influences.
But the interesting thing about democracy is that, hopefully, when there are extremist views, they do not get enough support and thus becoming more liberal in order to get parliamentary support. I think I starting to remember now. AWARE is some political group ?
No.
I give you a general picture -
Aware is a help group. Like communitry service. It is not religious in nature.
But then a few years ago,a few christian women wanted to take over Aware because they feel Aware is becoming "pro-gay". But Aware people all kicked the christian women out because they want Aware to remain non-religious and also they dont see any problems with Aware helping gays, women, children or anyone who needs help.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
No.
I give you a general picture -
Aware is a help group. Like communitry service. It is not religious in nature.
But then a few years ago,a few christian women wanted to take over Aware because they feel Aware is becoming "pro-gay". But Aware people all kicked the christian women out because they want Aware to remain non-religious and also they dont see any problems with Aware helping gays, women, children or anyone who needs help.
So.. what is the problem ? They got kicked out right ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
So.. what is the problem ? They got kicked out right ?
No problem now.
But the problem WAS christians trying to take over secular space. AND THAT is pushing their religion into our face.
Secular space belongs to everyone.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
No problem now.
But the problem WAS christians trying to take over secular space. AND THAT is pushing their religion into our face.
Secular space belongs to everyone.
Exactly.
Well, they did not push it in YOUR face. They pushed it in the homo's face. That's why I can see why the homo's are a tad upset. But to start hating everying single Christian is wrong. And I am not talking about you.
Now that u understand the meaning 'secular'
So why are we arguing in a Christian forum for Christians ?
Shouldn't the dialogue be more interesting in trying to interpret the meaning behind the message of the Bible ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Exactly.
Well, they did not push it in YOUR face. They pushed it in the homo's face. That's why I can see why the homo's are a tad upset. But to start hating everying single Christian is wrong. And I am not talking about you.
Now that u understand the meaning 'secular'
So why are we arguing in a Christian forum for Christians ?
Shouldn't the dialogue be more interesting in trying to interpret the meaning behind the message of the Bible ?
BM
Dont be stupid. Like I said you donno the AWARE issue so dont make stupid comments.........
The people who kicked them out were women, MOSTLY WOMEN and not gay.
And when they want to take over AWARE, they are not only insulting gays, they are insulting everyone from every religion in AWARE, because AWARE is made up of people from different religions.
Sorry but you are very very ignorant.
Not only the gays were offended. But people from other religions, women, teenagers, straight people were all upset with these christian zealots.
And yes when they tried to take over AWARE which was a secular/public organisation, it IS pushing into MY face and all the nonchristians' face in Singapore
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BM
Dont be stupid. Like I said you donno the AWARE issue so dont make stupid comments.........
The people who kicked them out were women, MOSTLY WOMEN and not gay.
And when they want to take over AWARE, they are not only insulting gays, they are insulting everyone from every religion in AWARE, because AWARE is made up of people from different religions.
Sorry but you are very very ignorant.
Not only the gays were offended. But people from other religions, women, teenagers, straight people were all upset with these christian zealots.
And yes when they tried to take over AWARE which was a secular/public organisation, it IS pushing into MY face and all the nonchristians' face in Singapore
That is my point. They got kicked out. So what is the problem ? Again.
okay.. so AWARE is made up of people of different religion. So they kicked them out.
So they are out. What are we talking about ? Might as well talk about Iran or anyone country with Shariah Law.
My point is, they got kicked out. And I dont really give a damn. I dont even need to do anything. U understand what I am trying to say ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
That is my point. They got kicked out. So what is the problem ? Again.
LOL.
Problem : Christian zealots taking over secular space, which belongs to all of us whether we are christians, buddhists, taoists or hindus
Problem : You think only gays were offended by the christian zealots. Wrong. Straight people, women, teenagers, people from other religions were all offended by these women who tried to take over.
Problem : You are very ignorant of the AWARE saga and made stupid comments and now you want to ask what is the problem. The problem is you do not want to admit your mistakes.
These are the 3 problems. :)
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
LOL.
Problem : Christian zealots taking over secular space.
Problem : You think only gays offended by the christian zealots. Wrong. Straight people, women, teenagers, people from other religions were all offended by these women who tried to take over.
Problem : You are very ignorant of the AWARE saga and made stupid comments and now you want to ask what is the problem. The problem is you do not want to admit your mistakes.
These are the 3 problems. :)
I already said I do not know much about AWARE. U now described it. So whats your point ? Zealots are taking over secular places all over the world. Even Aethiests are enforcing thier non-religious views in religious places. So whats up with that ?
The fact is , you talk as if Christians are the only zealots. The only bad apples of the world.
What mistakes did I make ? I already admitted that I do no know much about the AWARE situation until now.
U gonna slam me for admitting I do not know about AWARE ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
I already said I do not know much about AWARE. U now described it. So whats your point ? Zealots are taking over secular places all over the world. Even Aethiests are enforcing thier non-religious views in religious places. So whats up with that ?
The fact is , you talk as if Christians are the only zealots. The only bad apples of the world.
What mistakes did I make ? I already admitted that I do no know much about the AWARE situation until now.
U gonna slam me for admitting I do not know about AWARE ?
Nope. You anyhow lie again.
I never say christians are the only zealots! I agree there are hindu, muslim, atheist or sikh zealots too!
You admit you dont know but you made wrong comments. THats the mistake.
You made an ignorant comment " They pushed it in the homo's face. That's why I can see why the homo's are a tad upset. "
Its wrong.
So i corrected you by saying "Wrong. Straight people, women, teenagers, people from other religions were all offended by these women who tried to take over."
Get it? THats your mistake.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Nope. You anyhow lie again.
I never say christians are the only zealots! I agree there are hindu, muslim, atheist or sikh zealots too!
You admit you dont know but you made wrong comments. THats the mistake.
You made an ignorant comment " They pushed it in the homo's face. That's why I can see why the homo's are a tad upset. "
Its wrong.
So i corrected you by saying "Wrong. Straight people, women, teenagers, people from other religions were all offended by these women who tried to take over."
Get it? THats your mistake.
Okay. Well, everybody was upset. Now what ? So I am here admitting the tad little bit of mistake here and u gonna string me up to hang now ?
The problem with you guys is. While I am gracious enough to accept mistakes and acknowledge ignorance, the same does not seem to apply to you guys.
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Are u going to admit that our current understanding of history, archeology and science is still limited ?
Are u going to admit that there are different kinds of people. The good, the bad.. the whatever ?
Are u going to admit that in a secular society, we should respect each other in terms of thier religious convictions ?
Are u going to admit that just because somebody's theory may be flawed does not mean the person is entirely wrong ?
Are u going to admit that with all your talk about Christians this, Christians that, FINALLY.. you realise that there are different kind of christians and denominations ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Okay. Well, everybody was upset. Now what ? So I am here admitting the tad little bit of mistake here and u gonna string me up to hang now ?
The problem with you guys is. While I am gracious enough to accept mistakes and acknowledge ignorance, the same does not seem to apply to you guys.
No. In other topics, I do agree with other christians and sometimes even acknowledge my ignorance.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
No. In other topics, I do agree with other christians and sometimes even acknowledge my ignorance.
Well, so instead of challenging veracity of Jesus or the Bible, wont it be more enlightening to discuss about the message of the Bible instead of trying to prove or disprove God ?
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Anyways, thanks for enlightening me about AWARE. We should then just leave the topic as it is. Since its about Kong Hee.. and none of us are talking about him or dishonesty cases here.