what happen to kong hee dishonesty case?
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Originally posted by Susanteo2011:
aiyoh...................still got people believing in those fairytales in the Bible ah ?
a Bible that was written by guys who thought the Earth was flat.....................
and killed people for saying otherwise ?
and they say we're in the Space Age liao....................LOL
Troll is hungry.
Must not feed the troll.
Starve the troll.
If the feeding stops, the trolling stops.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Troll is hungry.
Must not feed the troll.
Starve the troll.
If the feeding stops, the trolling stops.
This is the internet.
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Originally posted by charlize:
This is the internet.
Yea, and these are internet forum trolls.
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alot of ppl are just very closed... thats how they became trolls
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Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
alot of ppl are just very closed... thats how they became trolls
hahaha.........................
everyone knows CHristians are close-minded......................
people that wrote the Bible believed the world was flat............................and kill people that say otherwise
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I believe the world is flat.
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I wonder Kong Hee earn how much Ang Pao money this year from the christians. hahahahahahh! Huat ah, Kong Hee!
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Kong Hee Fatt Choy.
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lols... everyone mus be thinking that hes damn rich.
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Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
lols... everyone mus be thinking that hes damn rich.
HE HAS TO BE!!! If he not rich, then most ppl will be peasants.
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CITY HARVEST CHARADE!
I tried to post on stomp but did not manage - feel free to distribute anywhere!In November last year, rev. Dr. (Internet degree) Pastor Kong Hee and his City Harvest Church emotionally announced the departure of Rev. Derek Dunn and his wife after 15 years of service.
According to Kong Hee, quoting fromhttp://www.chc.org.sg/_eng/church/church_announcementDerekDunn.php
“There are plans for the Dunns to plant a City Harvest church in the US once Dunn’s mother is well on the road to recovery. “THAT WON’T HAPPEN FOR A WHILE YET — Derek has to focus on getting his mom well—but we have discussed it, and when it happens, IT WILL BE A CITY HARVEST CHURCH IN THE US, and we will support it to the hilt.”
Pastor Kong, already in a difficult spotlight following his denial of the plagiarism accusations, his celebrity wife, and the CAD investigation, got his prophecy wrong in both accounts.
- It happened VERY FAST: Within 2 months of Derek Dunn’s departure, and
- It is NOT a City Harvest Church: The already up and running church is called DEREK DUNN MINISTRIES (http://www.derekdunn.org/). CHC members will undoubtedly notice the similarities with the CHC websites, except that Kong Hee’s face is replaced by Derek Dunn’s.
It takes more than just Faith to believe that it is possible to set up a completely new church within 2 months.
This leads to the question: Did Kong Hee know?
- If yes, and Kong Hee did know, why the charade? Does Kong Hee not trust the ability of his flock to handle the truth?
- If no, and Kong Hee did not know, why did Derek Dunn not share his plans to start his own church with his mentorpersonal friend? Lack of trust?
First allegations of connections to the CAD investigation are already floating around on the internet raising questions where Derek Dunn got the funds to start his church? Was Derek Dunn involved in the ARA Trust Management who sold the 39,8% Suntec shares to City Harvest Church at an exploded price multiple times the market price?
No doubt on anybody’s mind that businessman Kong Hee will come up with a professionally crafted excuse to reassure his CHC army. Kong Hee can never be wrong.
Derek Dunn is well advised to live up to his “City Harvest Church is my church—you can’t get rid of me, I will always be a part of CHC.” as Derek will have to rely heavily on the support of CHC to start-up his business.
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Originally posted by James_Tan_1983:
CITY HARVEST CHARADE!
I tried to post on stomp but did not manage - feel free to distribute anywhere!In November last year, rev. Dr. (Internet degree) Pastor Kong Hee and his City Harvest Church emotionally announced the departure of Rev. Derek Dunn and his wife after 15 years of service.
According to Kong Hee, quoting fromhttp://www.chc.org.sg/_eng/church/church_announcementDerekDunn.php
“There are plans for the Dunns to plant a City Harvest church in the US once Dunn’s mother is well on the road to recovery. “THAT WON’T HAPPEN FOR A WHILE YET — Derek has to focus on getting his mom well—but we have discussed it, and when it happens, IT WILL BE A CITY HARVEST CHURCH IN THE US, and we will support it to the hilt.”
Pastor Kong, already in a difficult spotlight following his denial of the plagiarism accusations, his celebrity wife, and the CAD investigation, got his prophecy wrong in both accounts.
- It happened VERY FAST: Within 2 months of Derek Dunn’s departure, and
- It is NOT a City Harvest Church: The already up and running church is called DEREK DUNN MINISTRIES (http://www.derekdunn.org/). CHC members will undoubtedly notice the similarities with the CHC websites, except that Kong Hee’s face is replaced by Derek Dunn’s.
It takes more than just Faith to believe that it is possible to set up a completely new church within 2 months.
This leads to the question: Did Kong Hee know?
- If yes, and Kong Hee did know, why the charade? Does Kong Hee not trust the ability of his flock to handle the truth?
- If no, and Kong Hee did not know, why did Derek Dunn not share his plans to start his own church with his mentorpersonal friend? Lack of trust?
First allegations of connections to the CAD investigation are already floating around on the internet raising questions where Derek Dunn got the funds to start his church? Was Derek Dunn involved in the ARA Trust Management who sold the 39,8% Suntec shares to City Harvest Church at an exploded price multiple times the market price?
No doubt on anybody’s mind that businessman Kong Hee will come up with a professionally crafted excuse to reassure his CHC army. Kong Hee can never be wrong.
Derek Dunn is well advised to live up to his “City Harvest Church is my church—you can’t get rid of me, I will always be a part of CHC.” as Derek will have to rely heavily on the support of CHC to start-up his business.
Thanks for the sharing again. However, I think you might have over-reacted on this.
It seems to me that when Kong Hee mentioned that Derek would start a City Harvest Church in the USA it meant a church (very) similar to CHC, not that it would necessarily bear the name and logo of CHC. It would be like the other CHC-affiliate churches in other parts of the world. Also in Derek's website it was mentioned that he has the backing and support of CHC. So I don't think there is some boo boo here. And it certainly wasn't a prophecy failure.
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Following my recent research on CHC, they are notorious for taking the truth with a huge clump of salt. But true, with a little bit of imagination, one could interprete KH's "a while" as being a few weeks only; and "It will be a City Harvest hurch" as "It is a Church in the same spirit as City Harvest Church"
If I read:..."There are plans for the Dunns to plant a City Harvest church in the US once Dunn’s mother is well on the road to recovery. Kong says, “That won’t happen for a while yet — Derek has to focus on getting his mom well—but we have discussed it, and when it happens, it will be a City Harvest Church in the US, and we will support it to the hilt.” There are over 50 affiliate churches and Bible schools across the globe."
... I would not be wrong saying, "it happened within 8 weeks", and "it is not a City Harvest Church".
You say CHC supports this?
Where does it say on the Derek Dunn Ministries website that Derek Dunn has the backing and support of CHC?
True, Derek Dunn does mention his work in CHC. He needs to put some credibility to his new church using his experience in CHC. He even goes as far as publishing pictures where he is sheeply seated next to his "Heroes".
Derek Dunn is the 3rd Pastor leaving CHC to open up his church. But previous pastors received an honorable mention of their efforts, including a disclaimer that they have CHC's "spiritual" support.Why is there no mention of "Derek Dunn Ministries" to be found on the CHC website?
In addition, I would say that the website succeeds very well in putting zero focus on KH. How many Kong Hee pictures did you spot?
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I sincerely tried to re-read the anouncement to understand your argument. My impression still is that the relocation was driven by the illness of the mother, and not start a new church. How else to read (Quoting KH):
It has been a very difficult decision, both for Dunn and his Singaporean wife Susan, who will be relocating to the US with him and their three children, and for the church leadership. But after months of attempting and considering every other solution, both sides agree that the imperative issue is Dunn’s mother gets the best care right now, and he needs to be there to ensure that.
“My mother was the one who raised us to be strong Christians,” says Dunn. “My brothers and sisters have tried to help her, but I’m the one closest to her, and being a pastor, this is something I have to do for my mom at this time. We really tried to work out another way—the easiest for us would be to just go there several times a year, but after looking at the state my mom is in, and how much disrepair her house is in, it’s just not possible for me not to be physically there.”
This is a decision the Dunns have come to after months of prayer and discussion with Kong Hee, senior pastor of City Harvest Church, and his wife Sun. “It is a very, very hard decision for us. But the Bible says, if we honor our father and mother, things will go well for us. Now is the time for Derek to take care of his mother. Anyone who remembers her will know she’s a sharp, beautiful woman. She needs to get well.
If the mother really needs Derek Dunn's physical presence, where even the other siblings are not good enough as he is closest to her (his words), where did he find the time to start a new church? In combination with KH's: "This will not happen for a while" points in the direction that KH did not know. Hence you are right - no false prophecy.
KH the businessman meticulously plans every step in detail. Would KH have given the above anouncement knowing that Derek Dunn was to start a church 8 weeks later? KH might be a little of things, but stupid is not one of them
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Originally posted by James_Tan_1983:
I sincerely tried to re-read the anouncement to understand your argument. My impression still is that the relocation was driven by the illness of the mother, and not start a new church. How else to read (Quoting KH):
It has been a very difficult decision, both for Dunn and his Singaporean wife Susan, who will be relocating to the US with him and their three children, and for the church leadership. But after months of attempting and considering every other solution, both sides agree that the imperative issue is Dunn’s mother gets the best care right now, and he needs to be there to ensure that.
“My mother was the one who raised us to be strong Christians,” says Dunn. “My brothers and sisters have tried to help her, but I’m the one closest to her, and being a pastor, this is something I have to do for my mom at this time. We really tried to work out another way—the easiest for us would be to just go there several times a year, but after looking at the state my mom is in, and how much disrepair her house is in, it’s just not possible for me not to be physically there.”
This is a decision the Dunns have come to after months of prayer and discussion with Kong Hee, senior pastor of City Harvest Church, and his wife Sun. “It is a very, very hard decision for us. But the Bible says, if we honor our father and mother, things will go well for us. Now is the time for Derek to take care of his mother. Anyone who remembers her will know she’s a sharp, beautiful woman. She needs to get well.
If the mother really needs Derek Dunn's physical presence, where even the other siblings are not good enough as he is closest to her (his words), where did he find the time to start a new church? In combination with KH's: "This will not happen for a while" points in the direction that KH did not know. Hence you are right - no false prophecy.
KH the businessman meticulously plans every step in detail. Would KH have given the above anouncement knowing that Derek Dunn was to start a church 8 weeks later? KH might be a little of things, but stupid is not one of them
It seems that derekdunn.org is more like a blog than a church. And over at http://www.derekdunn.org/about/ it is mentioned that he travels as an itinerant speaker. Also no mention of worship services and timings on the website. As such I don't think this CHC-like church pastored by Derek has materialised yet in the USA.
Just to clarify, I am not defending CHC here. But I think you might have gotten the wrong impression that Derek has already started his own church.
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Any news on this case?
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Why start a new church when there are existing ones? Isn't it a waste of resources?
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Originally posted by charlize:
I believe the world is flat.
yr support group the flat earth society -
Originally posted by 4sg:
yr support group the flat earth society
Charlize is flat earth believer? -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Charlize is flat earth believer?
If the earth was round, we would fall off if we walked towards the extreme left or right.
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Originally posted by charlize:
If the earth was round, we would fall off if we walked towards the extreme left or right.
So at which point of round earth is falling off point? ;) -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
So at which point of round earth is falling off point? ;)You want to walk off a cliff and try coming back up alive?
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Originally posted by Honeybunz:
HE HAS TO BE!!! If he not rich, then most ppl will be peasants.
hurrhhh....you are poor because others are rich???
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Originally posted by charlize:
If the earth was round, we would fall off if we walked towards the extreme left or right.
you fall because you never watch your step, not because the world is round or flat.
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to BroInChrist:
Is the Church a building? Wouldn't that have been bad news for Paul? Good news for Kong Hee though.
to Charlize: I seem to have read "somewhere" that case was closed. Instructions from CAD was to remove people with personal interest from the board. CHC complied and that's all we will hear about it.
Refering to the "somewhere" - as soon as I find, I will post link