Christian Arguments for God’s Existence - Refutations
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
"have many "friends" who tell you this and tell you that. Machiam everything also got someone tell you one!"
I realized that a while ago...hahaha....I think he writes in front of a mirror.
Eh, he's a she lah! I just discovered it when she told me she's not a he.
Psst...no wonder I keep feeling that Tcmc sounds a little bitchy...oh sorry that wasn't very gentleman of me to say that, but you know what I mean ya? The internet Urban dictionary defines bitchy as an adjective that's supposed to be used to describe someone irritable, moody and whiny.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Eh, he's a she lah! I just discovered it when she told me she's not a he.
Psst...no wonder I keep feeling that Tcmc sounds a little bitchy...oh sorry that wasn't very gentleman of me to say that, but you know what I mean ya? The internet Urban dictionary defines bitchy as an adjective that's supposed to be used to describe someone irritable, moody and whiny.
But you sound very bitchy too.
Mayb a man-bitch!
I remember someone here calling you bitch-I-C
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
1. Yea you are not against tongues but you are against charasmatic form of tongues is it?
2. In fact, you are already breaking the law. But just that its very unlikely any mormon will come by and report you.
Anyway, I really admire mormons for their grace. You know why?
I have personally asked a mormon leader before about other christians insulting their religion and why they wont call the police.
He said that mormons are gracious and tolerant. :)
Pls learn from them and refrain from insulting
speaking in tongues omg
whatever
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Eh, he's a she lah! I just discovered it when she told me she's not a he.
Psst...no wonder I keep feeling that Tcmc sounds a little bitchy...oh sorry that wasn't very gentleman of me to say that, but you know what I mean ya? The internet Urban dictionary defines bitchy as an adjective that's supposed to be used to describe someone irritable, moody and whiny.
think she doesn't deny that she is bitchy.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
think she doesn't deny that she is bitchy.
Of course not!
Whats wrong with being bitchy when the BIC is bitchy too!
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I think the Bible begins with the notion that God already existed...its not trying to prove the exisitence of God, but rather what He commanded....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
I think the Bible begins with the notion that God already existed...its not trying to prove the exisitence of God, but rather what He commanded....
Then can I write a book and say that a Magic Talking Teapot exist, and therefore everyone must follow my assumption?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Then can I write a book and say that a Magic Talking Teapot exist, and therefore everyone must follow my assumption?
of course you can write, please write!!
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
of course you can write, please write!!
sgdiehard
Eh, thats not the point, I thought you're smart enough to know.
My point is we cant just take any book and say because this book made an assumption, then its true and we have to follow it!
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
sgdiehard
Eh, thats not the point, I thought you're smart enough to know.
My point is we cant just take any book and say because this book made an assumption, then its true and we have to follow it!
Demon talks about the Bible, not any book! and you say that you can also write...so please write...and see you command the kind of readers the Bible does, or anywhere here...!!
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Demon talks about the Bible, not any book! and you say that you can also write...so please write...and see you command the kind of readers the Bible does, or anywhere here...!!
The Bible is possibly among the best selling books in human history....
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Demon talks about the Bible, not any book! and you say that you can also write...so please write...and see you command the kind of readers the Bible does, or anywhere here...!!
But then I am treating the Bible like any other book because you didnt show me why the Bible's assumption is special compared to the Quran's assumption and the Hindu Scriptures' assumption.
So I see all books equally loh. If got assumption, I rather not believe first!
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
But then I am treating the Bible like any other book because you didnt show me why the Bible's assumption is special compared to the Quran's assumption and the Hindu Scriptures' assumption.
So I see all books equally loh. If got assumption, I rather not believe first!
then don't believe the Bible, why keep using the Bible to tell Christians what the Bible says?
I dont' know Quran or Hindu scripture, so I don't know comparison. It must be great mathematician like you who know the Bible, the Quran, The Hindu Scripture, the Dao De Jing, the Science...to make comparison, prove them with mathematical equations and say what is right, what is wrong.
So what are you going to say about the Magic Talking Teapot? How does your Magic Talking Teapot compared to the Quran and Hindu? you are going to prove that Magic Talking Teapot exists?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
then don't believe the Bible, why keep using the Bible to tell Christians what the Bible says?
I dont' know Quran or Hindu scripture, so I don't know comparison. It must be great mathematician like you who know the Bible, the Quran, The Hindu Scripture, the Dao De Jing, the Science...to make comparison, prove them with mathematical equations and say what is right, what is wrong.
So what are you going to say about the Magic Talking Teapot? How does your Magic Talking Teapot compared to the Quran and Hindu? you are going to prove that Magic Talking Teapot exists?
1. I use the bible sometimes because I do not reject the whole of the bible. There are morals in the bible that are good, just like there are good morals in the quran or sikh scriptures. So thats why sometiems I have to remind you what the bible says.
2. You dont know them well? THough I dont know ALL of the scriptures completely, I think I know the scriptures of other religions more than you? I dont know, just saying. Whats stopping you from studying or readin the quran, for example?
3. My point about quoting the Magic Teapot has already been stated. You didnt read? Or you forgot my point?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
The Bible is possibly among the best selling books in human history....
Naturally, if christians make up most of the world's population, the bible would be the highest selling book of all time.
Nothing wrong with that, and nothing special about it too.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
1. I use the bible sometimes because I do not reject the whole of the bible. There are morals in the bible that are good, just like there are good morals in the quran or sikh scriptures. So thats why sometiems I have to remind you what the bible says.
2. You dont know them well? THough I dont know ALL of the scriptures completely, I think I know the scriptures of other religions more than you? I dont know, just saying. Whats stopping you from studying or readin the quran, for example?
3. My point about quoting the Magic Teapot has already been stated. You didnt read? Or you forgot my point?
You dont' believe in God why do you think what God says in the Bible is morale?
I dont' know quran, I never say I do, nothing stopping me from studying quran, but why I need to study quran?
I will wait for your book on Magic Talking Teapot, and see if there is any moral values in there, nothing will stop me from reading, I can assure you.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
You dont' believe in God why do you think what God says in the Bible is morale?
I dont' know quran, I never say I do, nothing stopping me from studying quran, but why I need to study quran?
I will wait for your book on Magic Talking Teapot, and see if there is any moral values in there, nothing will stop me from reading, I can assure you.
sgdiehard
Sorry but i realise you cannot argue or dont know how to discuss. BIC at least knows how to discuss properly..
1. I am talking about the morals that humans write, not god. I dont believe in god, naturally to me, the bible is written by men, and not any Gods.
2. Well the quran talks about trinity and jesus. It might be relevant to your religion!
3. You really...dont know how to read and argue :)
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Naturally, if christians make up most of the world's population, the bible would be the highest selling book of all time.
Nothing wrong with that, and nothing special about it too.
if you read history, christians and Islams conquered lands and then convert the people into their religions. their history was stained with violence and bloodshed in the name of god.
but what kind of a religion is that, when your followers waged wars on others and then convert the populace into their religion. talking about peace, love etc? contradictory isnt it.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
if you read history, christians and Islams conquered lands and then convert the people into their religions. their history was stained with violence and bloodshed in the name of god.
but what kind of a religion is that, when your followers waged wars on others and then convert the populace into their religion. talking about peace, love etc? contradictory isnt it.
The question then is, did Jesus teach that Christians should win converts by the sword? For your allegation to hold you have to show that Jesus taught this and that the NT writers taught that too. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
The question then is, did Jesus teach that Christians should win converts by the sword? For your allegation to hold you have to show that Jesus taught this and that the NT writers taught that too.Hmmm...interesting perspective....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Hmmm...interesting perspective....
I think it is important to establish whether what Christians have been alleged to have done in the name of God are consistent with the teachings of Christ Himself. If such cannot be done or in fact it is contrary to what He taught then this argument destructs. -
How do you know that they are following or not following the word of god? I mean different people will interpret the bible differently right ?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
How do you know that they are following or not following the word of god? I mean different people will interpret the bible differently right ?
Fair question, but not difficult to answer at all, just show us from the Gospel that Jesus Himself coerced people to believe in Him at the point of the sword i.e. He led by example, or that He taught it, and that His apostles also followed His example and taught it, and that the early church in the first three centuries followed suit. I submit to you that the critics would have an impossible task ahead of them. And of course if it is alleged that the Bible is vague and any interpretation is possible, then how is it that Bible critics are so sure that their interpretation is correct? How can they be sure of their interpretation and yet ask how can anyone be sure when an opposing interpretation is offered? That would be special pleading. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Fair question, but not difficult to answer at all, just show us from the Gospel that Jesus Himself coerced people to believe in Him at the point of the sword i.e. He led by example, or that He taught it, and that His apostles also followed His example and taught it, and that the early church in the first three centuries followed suit. I submit to you that the critics would have an impossible task ahead of them. And of course if it is alleged that the Bible is vague and any interpretation is possible, then how is it that Bible critics are so sure that their interpretation is correct? How can they be sure of their interpretation and yet ask how can anyone be sure when an opposing interpretation is offered? That would be special pleading.Even among christians there are different interpretation and beliefs....same as for other religions eg. buddhism....so many different schools....
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