I've always wanted to ask this...
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC,
You also did not explain to me why you can use the bible for evidence (you mentioned a few posts back about me ignoring the evidence in the bible) and if i use the quran as evidence, you immediately reject it?
SPecial pleading again?
You don't seem to know the meaning of special pleading.
Anyway, I think I mentioned it before that I am not using the Bible to prove anything. I am using the Bible as the lenses with which to understand the world. If I am using the Bible to prove anything, it would be to prove that it teaches certain things. People who say the Bible does not teach the Trinity? I will use the Bible to prove them wrong. People who say the Bible teach universal salvation? I will use the Bible to prove them wrong. And please don't hide behind other religions (Islam or Buddhism) to make your point, I know what you are trying to do here, trying to start a Christianity vs other religion thing so that you can sit on the sidelines and see how each try to out-argue each other. Come on lah, you don't even believe any religion out there, so quit using other religions. It's really patronising. Just compare Christianity and your atheism.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
yes it is absurd to believe in a supernatural being that is creator of all things. this type of belief system was as old as mankind, which was ancient and obsolete in this day ad age of science and technology era. now science has explained that alot of things are nature, natural phenomenon taking its course. anyway physics has proven that the universe does not need to have a creator god. if you ask me, I rather trust science anytime than god concept, which was a fallacy to begin with.
I know what you mean.
There are many things christians lack belief in too.
They lack belief in other Gods, in fairies and elves.
It's the same as how we lack belief in Gods, fairies and elves.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
yes it is absurd to believe in a supernatural being that is creator of all things. this type of belief system was as old as mankind, which was ancient and obsolete in this day ad age of science and technology era. now science has explained that alot of things are nature, natural phenomenon taking its course. anyway physics has proven that the universe does not need to have a creator god. if you ask me, I rather trust science anytime than god concept, which was a fallacy to begin with.
Two problems spotted with your answer.
1. Chronological snobbery
2. Question begging fallacy.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Two problems spotted with your answer.
1. Chronological snobbery
2. Question begging fallacy.
And you forgot how you committed the error of
1. confirmation bias
2. special pleading
3. arguing in circles?
Jesus says "look at the plank in your eye first, mate"
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Perhaps one day, science can also prove that there are elves and fairies and magic teapots beyond our universe.
But for now, lets just not waste our time speculating about things that has no evidence. Because there are MANY things that are possible.
Yeap, we should focus on the present life...and possibly be a good person, so as to accumulate good karma (just in case there's afterlife/reincarnation)....Hahaha!
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Yeap, we should focus on the present life...and possibly be a good person, so as to accumulate good karma (just in case there's afterlife/reincarnation)....Hahaha!
Doing good and loving life is my religion. Thats all!
Your "just in case" argument doesnt stand too.
Its called Pascal Wager Fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager#Criticism
If we want to play safe "just in case", we should actually believe in every god, every religion system and every holy book because every god in this known world tells us to believe in him/her!
:)
Ok nt trying to be rude, but just stating what I think!
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
You failed to answer my question.
You applied special pleading. You twisted your argument.
You said --
For heaven and hell - no need to go there to know they exist
For outer space - need to go there to know theres alien life
Why special pleading? Why suddenly change your argument for outer spacE?
Moreover, there is much more studies and evidence supporting possibility of alien life than possibility of heaven and hell..
Say its by faith, and I will let this go
Yes, it is by faith (trust in what Jesus said) that I believe in heaven and hell.
In the same way that it is by faith that you believe there is alien life out there, or that there is no heaven or hell.
And please don't say there is no evidence so you are justified in saying that it does not exist. Lack of evidence is not proof of absence. If the evidence is lacking to indict you for murder that does not mean you are not the murderer. If you say you don't know, at least that's being agnostic about it. But once you conclude something on the basis that the evidence is not there, that will be by faith.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Yes, it is by faith (trust in what Jesus said) that I believe in heaven and hell.
In the same way that it is by faith that you believe there is alien life out there, or that there is no heaven or hell.
And please don't say there is no evidence so you are justified in saying that it does not exist. Lack of evidence is not proof of absence. If the evidence is lacking to indict you for murder that does not mean you are not the murderer. If you say you don't know, at least that's being agnostic about it. But once you conclude something on the basis that the evidence is not there, that will be by faith.
1. Yes I have no problems with you having faith in your God, even without evidence :)
2. No I never did say that there MUST be alien life out there. No scientists have ever said that too! We say there is a high chance, probability speaking, with the billions upon billions of planets and earth-like conditions in some planets spotted near us. Of course, we will never know, I admit. But do you admit you might be wrong too about heaven and hell?
3. Well, my lack of evidence is the same as YOUR lack of evidence when it comes to not believing in certain gods or entities.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
And you forgot how you committed the error of
1. confirmation bias
2. special pleading
3. arguing in circles?
Jesus says "look at the plank in your eye first, mate"
Are you projecting again Tcmc?
You also forgot how I have refuted your allegations above. You are clearly begging the question here.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Are you projecting again Tcmc?
You also forgot how I have refuted your allegations above. You are clearly begging the question here.
Are you denying what you have committed, again'?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Are you denying what you have committed, again'?
Are you projecting again?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Doing good and loving life is my religion. Thats all!
Your "just in case" argument doesnt stand too.
Its called Pascal Wager Fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager#Criticism
If we want to play safe "just in case", we should actually believe in every god, every religion system and every holy book because every god in this known world tells us to believe in him/her!
:)
Ok nt trying to be rude, but just stating what I think!
Hahaha! U can believe whatever you want...hope u will find what u want...
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Hahaha! U can believe whatever you want...hope u will find what u want...
Just saying, if you really wanna play safe in terms of the supernatural world, its best to believe everything every God and every prophet said in history.
You cant really be safe if you only believe in ONE prophet or one teacher out of so many of them because all of them preach very very different things.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Just saying, if you really wanna play safe in terms of the supernatural world, its best to believe everything every God and every prophet said in history.
You cant really be safe if you only believe in ONE prophet or one teacher out of so many of them because all of them preach very very different things.
I only try to view all major religions as good....I'll focus on the similarities rather than the differences...
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Just saying, if you really wanna play safe in terms of the supernatural world, its best to believe everything every God and every prophet said in history.
You cant really be safe if you only believe in ONE prophet or one teacher out of so many of them because all of them preach very very different things.
I gather that for you, instead of doing some hard work of evaluating truth claims of various religions, you wanna play easy and simply dismiss them all as false?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I gather that for you, instead of doing some hard work of evaluating truth claims of various religions, you wanna play easy and simply dismiss them all as false?
BIC
1) Is it true that every prophet and every God says a different thing about the method of salvation? Some gods say it is by works, some gods say it is by faith, some gods say you have to believe a prophet. So every God says a different thing?
2) So if every religion says a diff thing about salvation, isnt it the best to believe in every religion?
Statistically speaking.
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What is the definition of the word "believe" ? Agreeing to something doesn't mean believing in something right?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
1) Is it true that every prophet and every God says a different thing about the method of salvation? Some gods say it is by works, some gods say it is by faith, some gods say you have to believe a prophet. So every God says a different thing?
2) So if every religion says a diff thing about salvation, isnt it the best to believe in every religion?
Statistically speaking.
Before you question every God says a different thingt, you sure every prophet and every God says something about salvation? which gods say it is by works, and which says it is by faith?
it is logical that if you want to have salvation, it is best to try all methods to gain salvation.
Statistically speaking, you have any statistics to show?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Before you question every God says a different thingt, you sure every prophet and every God says something about salvation? which gods say it is by works, and which says it is by faith?
it is logical that if you want to have salvation, it is best to try all methods to gain salvation.
Statistically speaking, you have any statistics to show?
sgdiehard
1. The Hindu God, Sikh God, Jewish God, Muslim God and the Christian God requires faith and belief and works/merits
2. Chinese Gods - Usually by works, merits
3. Buddhism - To get out of the cycle of reincarnation
I spoke to many christians who told me that christians can also end up in hell because it is not by faith/belief alone. There must be good works too.
:)
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
What is the definition of the word "believe" ? Agreeing to something doesn't mean believing in something right?
Anyone wanna answer that ?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC
1) Is it true that every prophet and every God says a different thing about the method of salvation? Some gods say it is by works, some gods say it is by faith, some gods say you have to believe a prophet. So every God says a different thing?
2) So if every religion says a diff thing about salvation, isnt it the best to believe in every religion?
Statistically speaking.
Nope. In fact it is impossible to believe every religion out there. You would have to be insane to do that. Why? Simply because it is irrational. The law of non-contradiction applies. Polytheism is opposed to monotheism. How to believe both at the same time?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Anyone wanna answer that ?
Read http://creation.com/make-believe-knowledge and discuss?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Read http://creation.com/make-believe-knowledge and discuss?
It doesn't mention agreement VS believe ... but I get it....according to that article they're indifferent...I'll take my time to carefully explore that website...thanks!
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Nope. In fact it is impossible to believe every religion out there. You would have to be insane to do that. Why? Simply because it is irrational. The law of non-contradiction applies. Polytheism is opposed to monotheism. How to believe both at the same time?
You said No. "No" to what?Are you saying it isnt true every religion and evry God says a different thing about salvation?
You say no to what?
You are not even answering my question
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keep an open mind and read and understand other religions. you can decide for yourselves later on which you chose to believe. not asking you to read and understand from A-Z other religions, but know what it is and its core belief system.