I've always wanted to ask this...
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
Precisely, that's the way life is. How do we know anything?
1. Personal Experience
2. Authority (parents, teachers, professors, scientists, sacred books etc)
When it comes to intelligent life out there, short of you going to outer space by yourself, we simply have to depend on what others say, those we consider as authorities. Humanly speaking, no one has seen intelligent life aka little green men out there. If Buddha is your choice of authority, then you just have to trust what he says.
Lol...
BIC, All this while I thought you were quite "intelligent" until your few recent posts showed me otherwise.
You say that now we have to go to outer space ourselves to be 100% sure that there is extraterrestrial life. But then for your eternal places, you apply special pleading error and say that "it doesnt mean if we never go there it's not there"
You really disappoint and sorry disgust me..from the way you twist your argument for different people.
Moreover, the theories of alien life is not based on faith. And no one says 100% that there is alien life. Alien life is not just based on a 4000 year old book. It;s based on astronomy, biochemistry, evolution etc.
You are ....... beyond hope, that is ACADEMICALLY SPEAKING
Take note I have no problems with your beliefs, but I have problems with you twisting your argument.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Yeap! I'm happy being a buddhist.....that's most important, is it not ?
I think I have answered that before. Being happy is not the end purpose of life, at least that's not what the Bible teach. One can also be happily wrong, if you get what I mean. To be happy in this life only is IMO not having an eternal perspective of things.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I think I have answered that before. Being happy is not the end purpose of life, at least that's not what the Bible teach. One can also be happily wrong, if you get what I mean. To be happy in this life only is IMO not having an eternal perspective of things.
Oh, how about this?
I'm spiritually happy ! Hahaha!
And my mind find peace in meditation....things I couldn't find in other forms of beliefs.... I do believe that life is eternal too.... -
Originally posted by Tcmc:
What about you? What you think atheists or pantheists or agnostics will go after death?
For me when we die, we wont feel a thing because when the brain dies there is no consciousness.
We die, if we get buried, we rot and become food for plants. Its a cycle. If we get burnt, then our ashes stay in the urn.
Remember when you were in your mothers womb when your brain was not fully developed? There wasnt consciousness and that was why we wouldnt remember anything or recall anything when we were still in the womb
Tcmc,
How do you know that when your brain dies there will not be consciousness? Again you are assuming that matter is all there is. That there is no spirit/soul that transcends matter. It's funny how you say "remember when in your mother's womb", why you ask people to remember what happened in the womb when in the same sentence you say there wasn't consciousness due to brain not fully developed?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Lol...
BIC, All this while I thought you were quite "intelligent" until your few recent posts showed me otherwise.
You say that now we have to go to outer space ourselves to be 100% sure that there is extraterrestrial life. But then for your eternal places, you apply special pleading error and say that "it doesnt mean if we never go there it's not there"
You really disappoint and sorry disgust me..from the way you twist your argument for different people.
Moreover, the theories of alien life is not based on faith. And no one says 100% that there is alien life. Alien life is not just based on a 4000 year old book. It;s based on astronomy, biochemistry, evolution etc.
You are ....... beyond hope, that is ACADEMICALLY SPEAKING
Take note I have no problems with your beliefs, but I have problems with you twisting your argument.
Alien life is 100% based on evolution. You are confused between astronomy and biochemistry, nothing in these fields tell us anything about alien life out there. Don't confuse your speculation and beliefs with these things.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Oh, how about this?
I'm spiritually happy ! Hahaha!
And my mind find peace in meditation....things I couldn't find in other forms of beliefs.... I do believe that life is eternal too....Demon Bane,
I have no quibble with what you claim to have experience, be it peace or happiness. How we feel have no bearing on whether the beliefs we hold are true.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
I have no quibble with what you claim to have experience, be it peace or happiness. How we feel have no bearing on whether the beliefs we hold are true.
BIC,
AGREE with you totally!
How YOu feel has no bearing on whether your beliefs are true or not.
Applies to me too!
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
I have no quibble with what you claim to have experience, be it peace or happiness. How we feel have no bearing on whether the beliefs we hold are true.
I think there are more than one ways to reach our destination (fulfilling our destiny)...we may choose cars, buses, MRT, helicopters, skate boards, walking, running, crawling etc. Its your choice....happiness and peace .... who are we to say that which vehicle we choose are right/wrong ? I mean if we have all the time in the world, I would choose whichever mode of transport that makes me happy....
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Tcmc,
How do you know that when your brain dies there will not be consciousness? Again you are assuming that matter is all there is. That there is no spirit/soul that transcends matter. It's funny how you say "remember when in your mother's womb", why you ask people to remember what happened in the womb when in the same sentence you say there wasn't consciousness due to brain not fully developed?
BIC,
Picking on silly things like "It's funny how you say "remember when in your mother's womb", why you ask people to remember what happened in the womb when in the same sentence you say there wasn't consciousness due to brain not fully developed?"
You know exactly what I meant.
There are studies that show that brain activity is responsible for consciousness, or awareness and perception. Of course you would rather believe that there is consciousness after death (without a shred of evidence) than believe in these research studies?
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Also, if all religions in the entire world are just different subjects eg. Chem, bio, literature, sociology, physics, maths etc. Who will say chem is more accurate/true than physics ? Or bio is more accurate/true than maths ? Just my tot....
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC,
AGREE with you totally!
How YOu feel has no bearing on whether your beliefs are true or not.
Applies to me too!
Which is why you should have noticed that I do not appeal to personal feelings to argue for the Christian faith.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Which is why you should have noticed that I do not appeal to personal feelings to argue for the Christian faith.
Are you sure you got no feelings with regards to christianity?
I am sure you "experience" love, tears, emotions, touched etc in your services and life as a christian.
Jsut saying these feelings might notbe accurate gauge
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
I think there are more than one ways to reach our destination (fulfilling our destiny)...we may choose cars, buses, MRT, helicopters, skate boards, walking, running, crawling etc. Its your choice....happiness and peace .... who are we to say that which vehicle we choose are right/wrong ? I mean if we have all the time in the world, I would choose whichever mode of transport that makes me happy....
Demon Bane,
Underlying that above reasoning is the fallacy that truth is a matter of personal preference. One's mode of transport is one's preference. No one is saying that it is wrong to take a car or a bicycle to work. Debating matters of taste and preference to me is a pretty waste of time. But if we are serious about truth, then we cannot afford to take a relativistic approach to truth, which is rather self-refuting anyway. Whatever the superficial similarities we see between religions, the fact is that the differences are deep and often times contradictory. Only a callous disregard for truth will lead anyone to say that it matters not what one believes, especially when we are dealing with matters of eternal consequences.
I don't know who said this but I find this quote rather true to what the Bible teaches: All roads lead to God. It's where He sends you that matters.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Are you sure you got no feelings with regards to christianity?
I am sure you "experience" love, tears, emotions, touched etc in your services and life as a christian.
Jsut saying these feelings might notbe accurate gauge
Failure to read. I said feelings have no bearing on the truth of anything. You can feel happy mistakenly thinking that you have won the lottery when the fact is that you did not.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Failure to read. I said feelings have no bearing on the truth of anything. You can feel happy mistakenly thinking that you have won the lottery when the fact is that you did not.
Yes same to you.
I realise you are very self centred. You can only see from ur perspective and not others.
Same to you.
You feel "happy", "comforted" or "healed" by your god, it could be a mistake too.
Feelings have no bearing on whether what you experienced or learned is true.
Can you dont be so self centred and just look at your perspective? The world doesnt revolve ard you only..
And BIC, try to answer my other queries...on other topics.?
Dont select.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I don't know who said this but I find this quote rather true to what the Bible teaches: All roads lead to God. It's where He sends you that matters.
Yeap that one I think is true...but what is the definition of God ? Its different to different people, is it not ? Maybe its Godliness and nor God we are talking about....Godliness can be happiness/bliss/peace....on the eternal scale of things...Hmmm....
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC,
Picking on silly things like "It's funny how you say "remember when in your mother's womb", why you ask people to remember what happened in the womb when in the same sentence you say there wasn't consciousness due to brain not fully developed?"
You know exactly what I meant.
There are studies that show that brain activity is responsible for consciousness, or awareness and perception. Of course you would rather believe that there is consciousness after death (without a shred of evidence) than believe in these research studies?
Oh, so now you fault me for pointing out a silly thing you said, while you simply rubbish what I said which were anything but silly? Special pleading and double standards!
Consciousness is related to brain activity. But does it then mean that brain activity causes consciousness? Are our thoughts caused by neurons firing in the brain? If so, then why trust what these chemical reactions are saying? Reductionistic thinking like yours have a serious problem of being self-destructing.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Oh, so now you fault me for pointing out a silly thing you said, while you simply rubbish what I said which were anything but silly? Special pleading and double standards!
Consciousness is related to brain activity. But does it then mean that brain activity causes consciousness? Are our thoughts caused by neurons firing in the brain? If so, then why trust what these chemical reactions are saying? Reductionistic thinking like yours have a serious problem of being self-destructing.
BIC,
Like I said, I know ou would rather believe that there is consciousness after death (without a shred of evidence) than believe in these research studies.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Yes same to you.
I realise you are very self centred. You can only see from ur perspective and not others.
Same to you.
You feel "happy", "comforted" or "healed" by your god, it could be a mistake too.
Feelings have no bearing on whether what you experienced or learned is true.
Can you dont be so self centred and just look at your perspective? The world doesnt revolve ard you only..
And BIC, try to answer my other queries...on other topics.?
Dont select.
Just because you have questions does not mean I have to answer everyone of them. Have you answered every question of mine? Of course not. We all select things we want to answer. It's our choice to make. Who are you to tell me not to select questions to answer? If you think not answering your question means you are right, then you are just deluding yourself to make yourself feel good. I am not your answering machine, mind you.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BIC,
Like I said, I know ou would rather believe that there is consciousness after death (without a shred of evidence) than believe in these research studies.
I believe in what Jesus said. He died and came back from the dead. The evidence points to Him having being resurrected. Paul said that the litmus test of the truth of Christianity is the resurrection. If Christ be not raised, then our faith is in vain. Everything pivots on the resurrection of Christ. And I will stake all on that being a fact of history.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I believe in what Jesus said. He died and came back from the dead. The evidence points to Him having being resurrected. Paul said that the litmus test of the truth of Christianity is the resurrection. If Christ be not raised, then our faith is in vain. Everything pivots on the resurrection of Christ. And I will stake all on that being a fact of history.
Evidence?
Like evidence in the bible?
Like evidence in the quran that Muhammed ascended into heaven?
That is called FAITH for a good reason. Not a science.
And there is nothing wrong with calling it "just faith".
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Evidence?
Like evidence in the bible?
Like evidence in the quran that Muhammed ascended into heaven?
That is called FAITH for a good reason. Not a science.
And there is nothing wrong with calling it "just faith".
Methink you know nuts about evidence.
Do you know that there is no such thing as an uninterpreted fact? Please learn more about worldviews.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Yeap that one I think is true...but what is the definition of God ? Its different to different people, is it not ? Maybe its Godliness and nor God we are talking about....Godliness can be happiness/bliss/peace....on the eternal scale of things...Hmmm....
Do you agree that some things are better described than defined? I know of no adequate defintion of God that encompasses all that can be said about God. Even the dictionary can only provide a rather descriptive view of God.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Methink you know nuts about evidence.
Do you know that there is no such thing as an uninterpreted fact? Please learn more about worldviews.
4 errors in a short post of yours --
Confirmation bias - using only ur religious book to prove a point
Arguing in circles - Back to same point
Special pleading - you can use bible as evidence while others cnanot use their religious books as evidence
Appeal to "authority"
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
4 errors in a short post of yours --
Confirmation bias - using only ur religious book to prove a point
Arguing in circles - Back to same point
Special pleading - you can use bible as evidence while others cnanot use their religious books as evidence
Appeal to "authority"
One big problem with your reply: a classic case of projection.