Ex-CHC cell group leader quits CHC and tells all
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Ex-CHC cell group leader quits CHC and tells all
http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/07/12/ex-chc-cell-group-leader-quits-chc-and-tells-all/
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All the dirty linen coming out...
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later Kong Hee sends him a warning, how?
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Later, Kong Hee sends a warning to sgforums for my innocent little comment above...
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Don't think he in any position to send any warning to anyone now. lol
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Don't think he in any position to send any warning to anyone now. lol
he sent a warning to diarysg and the latter has to shut down the youtube.
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I mean he does not have any standing to warn this ex-CHC person. As for Diarysg, it is a copyright issue.
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wow they have cyber task force!
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
I mean he does not have any standing to warn this ex-CHC person. As for Diarysg, it is a copyright issue.
remember his rep wrote a statement saying that they would deal with the media in due time?
if no standing, they may come up with one. they just don't keep quiet. anybody in the PR will know the best way to handle bad press is to lay low. this group and ah Hee just go blah blah blah blah blah... maybe they dunno chinese, cuz chinese has the saying 越�越黑
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Actually, the problem is why christians must preach about tithing 10%?
Many small churches here also ask members to give 10% of their salaries. So why focus on CHC only?
Why do Singapore christians ask members to give 10%?
Giving in charities should always be non-compulsive. You shouldn't be PREACHING into people's face to give "for the Gods".
Many christians from other countries don't even see the "10% rule" as applicable today. -
Well, all these are strategies. I am sure he is being advised by a team of lawyers. Same can be said about the other side. It is also a tactic to remain silent as case is still pending, gathering information and investigations first.
Must not forget that court costs is a major factor in the other side not taking any action against Kong Hee .... for the moment. Or they are just nice Christians. We just have to wait and see the decision.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Actually, the problem is why christians must preach about tithing 10%?
Many small churches here also ask members to give 10% of their salaries. So why focus on CHC only?
Why do Singapore christians ask members to give 10%?
Giving in charities should always be non-compulsive. You shouldn't be PREACHING into people's face to give "for the Gods".
Many christians from other countries don't even see the "10% rule" as applicable today.Many churches practice 10% CHC practices the 10% tithes as the bare minimu.
They have additional:
1 Tithes. Fixed 10% payble by GIRO, cheque etc.
Put it in an envelope and write your name. Next week, your cell group leader will give you a printed receipt for the amount given. "The church believes in being accountable" vs "the church knows how much you give" - you decide.
More accurately your cell group leader knows how much you give.
2 Offerings. Additional "voluntary" love gifts to the church at each attendance when the bag is passed around.
1 and 2: other churches just ask you to put the tithe into the bag.
3 Arise & Build fund. Additional to build god a great house
Regarding 3, CHC has some suggestions:
4. Charity. Needless to say this is Additional. In other churches tithes go into a main account, some goes to charity and the church just uses what it needs to operate.
5 Buy sun ho's CDs
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Actually, the problem is why christians must preach about tithing 10%?
Many small churches here also ask members to give 10% of their salaries. So why focus on CHC only?
Why do Singapore christians ask members to give 10%?
Giving in charities should always be non-compulsive. You shouldn't be PREACHING into people's face to give "for the Gods".
Many christians from other countries don't even see the "10% rule" as applicable today.In the first place, is it true that Christians must preach about tithing? The answer is NO.
The church, and even some Christians, may require you to tithe, but the Bible does not. Man may say you must tithe, but God did not lay down such a requirement. At the end of the day, we must obey God rather than man.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
In the first place, is it true that Christians must preach about tithing? The answer is NO.
The church, and even some Christians, may require you to tithe, but the Bible does not. Man may say you must tithe, but God did not lay down such a requirement. At the end of the day, we must obey God rather than man.
TCMC,
Yea but most churches in singapore do preach into people's face that god wants them to tithe to show obedience.
Moreover, the tithing thing is in the bible, so it makes it very easy for pastors to say "OBEY GOD'S WORD"
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Originally posted by alize:
Many churches practice 10% CHC practices the 10% tithes as the bare minimu.
They have additional:
1 Tithes. Fixed 10% payble by GIRO, cheque etc.
Put it in an envelope and write your name. Next week, your cell group leader will give you a printed receipt for the amount given. "The church believes in being accountable" vs "the church knows how much you give" - you decide.
More accurately your cell group leader knows how much you give.
2 Offerings. Additional "voluntary" love gifts to the church at each attendance when the bag is passed around.
1 and 2: other churches just ask you to put the tithe into the bag.
3 Arise & Build fund. Additional to build god a great house
Regarding 3, CHC has some suggestions:
4. Charity. Needless to say this is Additional. In other churches tithes go into a main account, some goes to charity and the church just uses what it needs to operate.
5 Buy sun ho's CDs
Take a second part time job.
Give your bonus.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
TCMC,
Yea but most churches in singapore do preach into people's face that god wants them to tithe to show obedience.
Moreover, the tithing thing is in the bible, so it makes it very easy for pastors to say "OBEY GOD'S WORD"
The point is that believers need to know how to discern what man says from what God says. Unfortunately the average churchgoer is not well equipped to exegete Scripture. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
The point is that believers need to know how to discern what man says from what God says. Unfortunately the average churchgoer is not well equipped to exegete Scripture.BIC
Well, fact is the bible does say to give 10% of possessions/fruits.
So probably this verse should be removed if it isnt applicable anymore? What exactly in the OT isnt applicable, may I ask? Everything? Or some parts?
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Sg will be a very sad place if everybody gives until tears roll down.
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give cpf or tax no tears roll down?
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Just pray and give the money directly to the charity.
Give to church also dunno go to who.
Same for ren ci.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
The point is that believers need to know how to discern what man says from what God says. Unfortunately the average churchgoer is not well equipped to exegete Scripture.
i find it strange hearing this from you. you are contradicting yourself. have you spoken or seen god before? no right? coz no one ever did. at least no one can prove he did. you believe in the bible. how did you know the bible is from god? coz a man from the past said so and the thing just pass down until you heard it. so can you discern what a man says from what god says? all religions start with a man who claimed it is from god. P.S. that doesnt mean i think there is no god. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
The point is that believers need to know how to discern what man says from what God says. Unfortunately the average churchgoer is not well equipped to exegete Scripture.And yet you ask everybody to live by God's wishes. You said that if people reject God, "the consequences are horrific".
This is a logical question. If God made his wishes so hard to interpret, how are we to do so?
What makes you think conflict over the meaning of scripture will not replace the conflict we have?
Will self-claimed experts like KH wield all the power and tell us what to do?
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Originally posted by dragg:
i find it strange hearing this from you. you are contradicting yourself. have you spoken or seen god before? no right? coz no one ever did. at least no one can prove he did. you believe in the bible. how did you know the bible is from god? coz a man from the past said so and the thing just pass down until you heard it. so can you discern what a man says from what god says? all religions start with a man who claimed it is from god. P.S. that doesnt mean i think there is no god.
A contradiction means holding A and non-A to be true at the same time in the same sense. Please show how what I said constituted a contradiction. No I have not heard God speak audibly. But God has spoken through the Bible. You may not believe that but I do. I can share with you why but I doubt you are interested. BTW, if you are thinking that there may be a God, then why is it not possible for God to communicate to us through men aka prophets or other chosen people? -
Originally posted by dragg:
i find it strange hearing this from you. you are contradicting yourself. have you spoken or seen god before? no right? coz no one ever did. at least no one can prove he did. you believe in the bible. how did you know the bible is from god? coz a man from the past said so and the thing just pass down until you heard it. so can you discern what a man says from what god says? all religions start with a man who claimed it is from god. P.S. that doesnt mean i think there is no god.does it dawn on you that he is not sane. the entire dope is incoherent and illogical. he actually believed that the earth is 6,000 years old.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
A contradiction means holding A and non-A to be true at the same time in the same sense. Please show how what I said constituted a contradiction. No I have not heard God speak audibly. But God has spoken through the Bible. You may not believe that but I do. I can share with you why but I doubt you are interested. BTW, if you are thinking that there may be a God, then why is it not possible for God to communicate to us through men aka prophets or other chosen people?Then the obvious problem is that you think you are authoritative enough to interpret the bible, and someone will claim the same and interpret it differently. If God truly means for us to receive his word without contradiction, let him speak directly.