Ex-CHC cell group leader quits CHC and tells all
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Originally posted by alize:
And yet you ask everybody to live by God's wishes. You said that if people reject God, "the consequences are horrific".
This is a logical question. If God made his wishes so hard to interpret, how are we to do so?
What makes you think conflict over the meaning of scripture will not replace the conflict we have?
Will self-claimed experts like KH wield all the power and tell us what to do?
I do not deny that there are Bible passages that are difficult, but these are in the minority and are not centred around the core tenets of the faith. The Bible is written for our instruction so it is not out of reach to believers, but then diligence is required in order to rightly divide the Word of God. -
Originally posted by alize:
Then the obvious problem is that you think you are authoritative enough to interpret the bible, and someone will claim the same and interpret it differently. If God truly means for us to receive his word without contradiction, let him speak directly.
I claim no authority of my own, but as children of God believers have the right to access God's Word amd read them and interpret them. God's Word is the authority, not man. God has spoken through His Word. Jesus told the unrepentent rich man that if his brothers would not listen to Moses i.e. the OT, then they will not listen even if someone comes back from the dead. God has come in the flesh and directly taught man to man, that is as direct as you can get. The teachings He gave were to be passed down to faithful men who would in turn teach others. These teachings can be found in the Bible. -
Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
does it dawn on you that he is not sane. the entire dope is incoherent and illogical. he actually believed that the earth is 6,000 years old.
Yea I do, and this is much more sane than you believing that nothing made everything. -
Finally, the truth, nothing but the truth-----------A scam
Muhahahahahahahahahahaha
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Originally posted by alize:
Ex-CHC cell group leader quits CHC and tells all
http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/07/12/ex-chc-cell-group-leader-quits-chc-and-tells-all/
that fella was real lucky he wasn't assassinated -
the house of cards is falling down.
the house of CHC is falling down.
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the house is collapsing
other mega churches will take their followers in
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a fool and his money is soon parted
no wonder the rich get richer the poor get poorer
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MLM. reminds me of US bernie madoff ponzi scheme.
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Had this incident happened in the Inquisition, the whistle blowers and people like us will be hailed as Heretics and slaughtered like pigs
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court case when?
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cannot wait to see kong hee and gang in jail
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I claim no authority of my own, but as children of God believers have the right to access God's Word amd read them and interpret them. God's Word is the authority, not man. God has spoken through His Word. Jesus told the unrepentent rich man that if his brothers would not listen to Moses i.e. the OT, then they will not listen even if someone comes back from the dead. God has come in the flesh and directly taught man to man, that is as direct as you can get. The teachings He gave were to be passed down to faithful men who would in turn teach others. These teachings can be found in the Bible.Nope. It doesn't change the facts that the bible is too ambiguous for us to interpret without conflict and that jesus is no longer here to teach us directly.
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Originally posted by Mr Milo:
cannot wait to see kong hee and gang in jail
you may get your wish. let's hope not a disappointingly low sentence like seems common nowadays.
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Originally posted by alize:
Nope. It doesn't change the facts that the bible is too ambiguous for us to interpret without conflict and that jesus is no longer here to teach us directly.
doesnt it dawn on you that the bible, old and new testament, were illogic and incoherent?quote you an example, scapegoating and sacrifises. think of the 10 commandments, thou shall not kill? it is ok to sacrifise, but not ok to kill? contradictory and inconsistent? u bet.
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Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) are not perfect
they are meant to be improved upon
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Tithing is part of Old testament law that was done away with when Jesus fulfilled the Law and on the cross He said "It is finished". Jesus did not tithe. Jesus gave no commandment to tithe. The 12 disciples did not tithe. The New Testament writers, apostles and early Church Christians did not tithe. They gave no command to tithe.
Tithing came into being at the time of Constantine, the Roman Emperor and is based on Catholic indulgences. It operates by fear. IF you don't tithe the pulpit pimps say God will curse you.
Friends, God does not give a rats about your money. He ain't interested! It's only con men like Phil Pringle, Kong Hee's mentor and advisor, and KH who twist scriptures and rip money off their pew warmers.Effectively they are not pastors but cult leaders.
God is more interested in you believing on His slavation for you and you loving Him with your heart.
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Life is surreal.
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Originally posted by charlize:
Life is surreal.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
In the first place, is it true that Christians must preach about tithing? The answer is NO.
The church, and even some Christians, may require you to tithe, but the Bible does not. Man may say you must tithe, but God did not lay down such a requirement. At the end of the day, we must obey God rather than man.
u kinda contradict isn't it? TCMC say christians preac about tithing, whereby chrisians are humans too. They are man and you just said " Man may say you must tithe" TCMC din mention that god lay down such a requirement mah. Issue is why must man misinterpret god's word and encourage tithing? -
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
u kinda contradict isn't it? TCMC say christians preac about tithing, whereby chrisians are humans too. They are man and you just said " Man may say you must tithe" TCMC din mention that god lay down such a requirement mah. Issue is why must man misinterpret god's word and encourage tithing?Sorry I don't get your point, how did I contradict?
Why do you find fault with my statements? Isn't it true that there is no must to preach tithing? Fact is that there are believers who do not believe that tithing is mandatory at all. People misinterpret God's Word for a host of reasons, there is no inevitableness or must about it. While it is a fact that man can and has misinterpret God's Word, it is not true that man must misinterpret Gods Wprd
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I do not deny that there are Bible passages that are difficult, but these are in the minority and are not centred around the core tenets of the faith. The Bible is written for our instruction so it is not out of reach to believers, but then diligence is required in order to rightly divide the Word of God.The bible is silent on a majority of subjects in life.
Eg in the bible there is no obligation to tithe. The bible is also silent on paying tax. And since we should obey god rather than man, can we all not pay tax?
Is the bible silent on the standard of faithfulness that Kong Hee must keep in his accounting?
Unfortunately for you, it is up to Man to fill these voids.
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Originally posted by alize:
The bible is silent on a majority of subjects in life.
Eg in the bible there is no obligation to tithe. The bible is also silent on paying tax. And since we should obey god rather than man, can we all not pay tax?
Is the bible silent on the standard of faithfulness that Kong Hee must keep in his accounting?
Unfortunately for you, it is up to Man to fill these voids.
Is the Bible really silent on tax? No. Jesus said to give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. And Paul said that we must obey the govt, so long as obedience does not require us to go against God. Neither is the Bible silent on being faithful stewards or dealing honestly with each other. The Bible does not address every life circumstance but it provides moral guidance that can address every life circumstance.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Is the Bible really silent on tax? No. Jesus said to give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. And Paul said that we must obey the govt, so long as obedience does not require us to go against God. Neither is the Bible silent on being faithful stewards or dealing honestly with each other. The Bible does not address every life circumstance but it provides moral guidance that can address every life circumstance.
Go against God?Muhahahahahahahahhahahahaha!
Religion and Government do not mix!
Religion has no right at all, even if what the government requests is against God