What if I fail Range...
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Hey, juz a question...
What if I fail my range in BMT?
Gonna have my range soon, and my final big event in BMT...but quite worried bout my range. Coz during Sec Sch, I was in NCC, and my live range, failed terribly while everyone pass well...so got abit of black shadow...
And this time in BMT, went for IMT, found tt the 1st few rounds still not bad, until the 4th round, my eyes suddenly went blur and couldn't aim at all.
So i'm quite worried bout it... -
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Wow, really?
My Tekong BMT was long, long ago - almost 2 decades & counting - & they only recourse OOC cases due to injuries or illnesses back then.
The official line was (is?) that recruits must attain "a certain standard of proficiency" in IPPT, SOC, marksmanship & swimming, while learning non-test skills like IFC, weapon-handling, grenade-throwing, bayonet-fighting & marching drills. He's arrowed to redo BMT only if he's missed out, for some reason, on an intolerable amount of those instructions/trainings.
The DI's would push him very hard - even "scare you" - about the IPPT & SOC benchmarks in particular. But fail those tests, as well as for CTSS, & he'll likely just be assigned a less garang vocation (likely still combat & frontline, though) in those days, that's all. BMT was never meant as the be-all; he's going to run & shoot again with his active & reservist outfits.
Thus I doubt the "fail-BMT altogether" threat, unless the SAF's changed the doctrine & has set aside enough money/logistics to facilitate a costly retraining endeavor like rifle marksmanship. -
not marksman, at least a pass... which is quite hard to fail.Originally posted by Moxie:Wow, really?
My Tekong BMT was long, long ago - almost 2 decades & counting - & they only recourse OOC cases due to injuries or illnesses back then.
The official line was (is?) that recruits must attain "a certain standard of proficiency" in IPPT, SOC, marksmanship & swimming, while learning non-test skills like IFC, weapon-handling, grenade-throwing, bayonet-fighting & marching drills. He's arrowed to redo BMT only if he's missed out, for some reason, on an intolerable amount of those instructions/trainings.
The DI's would push him very hard - even "scare you" - about the IPPT & SOC benchmarks in particular. But fail those tests, as well as for CTSS, & he'll likely just be assigned a less garang vocation (likely still combat & frontline, though) in those days, that's all. BMT was never meant as the be-all; he's going to run & shoot again with his active & reservist outfits.
Thus I doubt the "fail-BMT altogether" threat, unless the SAF's changed the doctrine & has set aside enough money/logistics to facilitate a costly retraining endeavor like rifle marksmanship.
anyway what i heard was that there are a few criterias that have to be completed in BMT, failing which constitutes a recoure IF there isn't any other coy doing the same exercise during the time of your BMT. -
if you are wearing glasses, go get a good anti fog spray(get a good one).. its avaliable at almost any optical shops. and oso technique is impt.. follow every step that you were taught and u shud do fine. normally after i load, i'll aim abit get a rough idea where the target shud be and then close my eyes. no point aiming too early as it will only strain your eyes. until your hear fire-ers at your otot, deep breathe, open your eyes, focus on the the rear aperture 1st then look through it and then focus on the tip, bring the rifle up and ... bam!
.... hope it helps, coz i normally get perfect score for my day shoot.. its only when night comes, my specs will fog up until i cannot see anything.. coz last time cheapskate mah go buy those $4.50 antifog and cost mi my marksman>.< -
BOBO!Originally posted by iamwhoiam:Hey, juz a question...
What if I fail my range in BMT?
Gonna have my range soon, and my final big event in BMT...but quite worried bout my range. Coz during Sec Sch, I was in NCC, and my live range, failed terribly while everyone pass well...so got abit of black shadow...
And this time in BMT, went for IMT, found tt the 1st few rounds still not bad, until the 4th round, my eyes suddenly went blur and couldn't aim at all.
So i'm quite worried bout it...
anyway, don't worry. u'll likely pass your range because all testes (except IPPT) in army all fool-proof. no matter how BOBO u are, there always the "magic rounds".
try to relax when u shoot. don't aim for too long. hold your rifle firmly. zero your riffle correctly. -
Dun worry...BMT marksmanship not life and death....
Heard of ppl who fail SOC, Marksmanship still can POP and go OCS, so wont so jia lut la.
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i heard from my friend that the current BMTC system don't require u to recouse if u fail only range. if u achieved a certain amount of attendance and pass most of the other tests u are considered fine.Originally posted by kopiosatu:recourse
one don't even need to pass IPPT to pass out of BMT.
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mm, just reshoot until you pass.........
That's what they did for my coy....... not too sure bout the other coys......
Besides, not too hard la, now that they've changed the format...... -
You will still pass out BMT provided you meet other minimum requirements but no OCS and SISPEC for you then.Originally posted by iamwhoiam:Hey, juz a question...
What if I fail my range in BMT?
Gonna have my range soon, and my final big event in BMT...but quite worried bout my range. Coz during Sec Sch, I was in NCC, and my live range, failed terribly while everyone pass well...so got abit of black shadow...
And this time in BMT, went for IMT, found tt the 1st few rounds still not bad, until the 4th round, my eyes suddenly went blur and couldn't aim at all.
So i'm quite worried bout it... -
Thx everybody for the answers...hope tat I can pass it...last big event for BMT!
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They won't retain you unless there are really really good reasons to do so.
Failing your range isn't really a good reason since you have 2 odd years to work on it when you are posted to your unit after your BMT.
Anyways, I think they will make sure you pass the range by asking you to reshoot until you get an acceptable score.
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Theres' magic rounds....
And theres' magic pen as well.... -
Hahaha, I get wat u mean...will they do the magic pen trick? I dunno...but things like 1st aid and stuffs, they did tat...but those r minor stuffs...range oso will haf ar?Originally posted by Guile:Theres' magic rounds....
And theres' magic pen as well.... -
mm, i guess for minor things..... ok la, they'll probably close 1 eye.......
As for range...... normally its reshoot till you pass.
Miss by 1 or what, then they'll whip out the magic pen...... from personal xp, lol -
Originally posted by Guile:Theres' magic rounds....
And theres' magic pen as well....
should be magic mouse and keyboard.Originally posted by iamwhoiam:Hahaha, I get wat u mean...will they do the magic pen trick? I dunno...but things like 1st aid and stuffs, they did tat...but those r minor stuffs...range oso will haf ar?
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MAgic rounds?Meaning...
Anyway during my range I'mone round short of getting a marksman,some kookoo from the next lane shot my target.Haha,so became marksman.
Anyway,anyone ever experience with one round down 2 targets?During my 100m range for the last two snap deliberate targets,I shot a single shot and both targets went down.Care to explain?I think the only reason is that the round rebound.But is this possible?Please share.(*at that point,my aim was around the middle of the Fig.12 target.) -
Yeah, when it hit the 1st target, something must've bounced off and hit the other target. Sensitive things those, they go down even if you hit it on the back.
For this topic, they will send you reshoot till you pass. -
I used to fail range miserably due to my size. The recoil was just too strong for me to handle.
Then one of the SGT very nice..told me to aim not at the target but beneath the target so when I jerk the rifle up during firing (due to the impact of the recoil), it'll hit the target.
Sometimes the bullet hit the sand, it was also considered a "hit"
AnthonyOriginally posted by SpecOps87:MAgic rounds?Meaning...
Anyway during my range I'mone round short of getting a marksman,some kookoo from the next lane shot my target.Haha,so became marksman.
Anyway,anyone ever experience with one round down 2 targets?During my 100m range for the last two snap deliberate targets,I shot a single shot and both targets went down.Care to explain?I think the only reason is that the round rebound.But is this possible?Please share.(*at that point,my aim was around the middle of the Fig.12 target.) -
which range? range got ghost one u know?Originally posted by SpecOps87:MAgic rounds?Meaning...
Anyway during my range I'mone round short of getting a marksman,some kookoo from the next lane shot my target.Haha,so became marksman.
Anyway,anyone ever experience with one round down 2 targets?During my 100m range for the last two snap deliberate targets,I shot a single shot and both targets went down.Care to explain?I think the only reason is that the round rebound.But is this possible?Please share.(*at that point,my aim was around the middle of the Fig.12 target.)
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If you feel uncomfortable with Range, highlight to your specialist or your Pc.
They will be able to take note and guide you along.
They are alot of magical shots coming when night falls.
Kops21 night shoot normally hits about 60%. The rest of the 40-35% keep ending in someone else targets for some unknown reasons...
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Its pretty hard to fail the range.
For those that fail it during the company range, they will most likely be "ta-baoed" (packaged food) to other companies do join them for the range. Basically, all the companies will try to help one another and pass their "ta-baos".
So if you are lucky, your company is amongst the first to do range. In the condition that you fail, you will "ta-bao" to the next company for their range test. If you fail again, you join another company again. Simple.
There are also what we call "conditional pass" for the BMT, i.e., we pass even though the trainee has failed 1 of the 3 critical units of IPPT, IFC, BTP. Most of these conditional passees come from the fail IPPT category. Fail BTP makes up a small category.
In any event, magic rounds do the trick.
Your instructors try their best to pass you. Nobody likes to look bad... -
During those days where there is butt party, you still can pass even if you are a 'bobo' shooter.
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This day and age, no more magic rounds.
Magic round will be immediate charge to those firing the magic rounds.
But there are other reasons beyond explanation that you will pass.
Trust me, it very hard to fail range. haha. -
Huh?Range oso fail?Mebbe go with other coys to reshoot?