84mm gunner
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SAF Infantry unit 84mm gunner. Anyone from this unit ? Care to share your experience about this 84mm unit ? fun , shiong , .............. anythings
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84mm gunner is not a unit...
Its more like a role you play in the company.
84mm is part of the Company HQ....Damn Shiong..
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yes damn siong
imagine river crossing, your gun will need 2 life-jackets for itself -
I used to have one section under me when in armour. They weren't the fittest, but they did their job well.
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84mm RRs are part of a SIR unit's arsenal. Each of its company commander controls a 84mm section as well as a GMPG section, in addition to the regular rifleman platoons.
I personally don't think carrying 84mm's are that siong - you can tahan the weight when on the move, but balancing with the bulk is another question. In fact, my Tekong & active units (inc. the mono-intake I oversaw) regularly drew out the weapon for route-marching.
The super-siong weapon to manpack is the base plate for the mortars. You'll be really a "coolie", humping that motherf***** on your back. -
personally respect the 84 gunners, and of course, their assistants. and not to forget the pioneers who carry the PLC cobra on their backs, and the ATGM gunners and assistants who manpack the guns and the rounds.Originally posted by Moxie:84mm RRs are part of a SIR unit's arsenal. Each of its company commander controls a 84mm section as well as a GMPG section, in addition to the regular rifleman platoons.
I personally don't think carrying 84mm's are that siong - you can tahan the weight when on the move, but balancing with the bulk is another question. In fact, my Tekong & active units (inc. the mono-intake I oversaw) regularly drew out the weapon for route-marching.
The super-siong weapon to manpack is the base plate for the mortars. You'll be really a "coolie", humping that motherf***** on your back.
being a small-framed and lightweight person, i luckily never adopted these roles.
as for manpacking the baseplate, i don't think they do that anymore! at least not in the SIRs i know of. -
Well, you can imagine how much fun jumping with one of those things is - thank God I wasn't assigned to mortar!Originally posted by Moxie:The super-siong weapon to manpack is the base plate for the mortars. You'll be really a "coolie", humping that motherf***** on your back. -
Moxie's right - it's the bulk of the 84, rather than its weight, that's a pain in the arse. At one point while charging up a hill in an exercise, we ended up throwing the damned things, running a few steps, picking them up and throwing them again. Why we had 84 gunners charging up a hill was never made clear to us.
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hm.. BY RIGHT, as a support weapon, the 84 should be deployed at a firebase position, and not chiong up the hill with the rest of the main force. so any form or manner of "chiong" they do is usually limited to "chiong-ing" up the firebase position - clearing the place and all, before setting up. but usually that is done with ample time, and with the help of a security force attached.Originally posted by Gedanken:Moxie's right - it's the bulk of the 84, rather than its weight, that's a pain in the arse. At one point while charging up a hill in an exercise, we ended up throwing the damned things, running a few steps, picking them up and throwing them again. Why we had 84 gunners charging up a hill was never made clear to us. -
I agree the weight of the 84mm (and for discussion sake also, the GPMG) is not that bad. It is the awkward shape and length and the protrusions from the weapon that make you confused as to how best to carry it on the march.
Frankly, I think infantry units should change to the disposable bunker busting launchers , I think there are a few types that carry an explosive charge bigger than the LAW. Afterall, the 84 mm is nowadays mostly employed against hardened shelters and softer armoured vehicles. A soldier can carry 3 or 4 disposable launchers on a " H" frame on his back. His assistant can carry the same which will already be a good mission load.
The commander / officer who makes the 84mm section charge up an objective during an attack, is tactically unsound, unless he wants to "train" up the troops. The only time I can think of when you want the 84mm to quickly marry-up with the rest of the company is at "Re-org !". Anyway, I was only an infantry PL sgt, so any company OCs here, plse correct my understanding. -
rest of the infantry had "died" liao, so need you guys to charge at the enemy?Originally posted by Gedanken:Why we had 84 gunners charging up a hill was never made clear to us. -
Originally posted by specfore:
Well an active SIR Bn was tasked with carrying a trial version of the LAW tube backpack, similar to what u said, but its more like a haversack version, the poor LAW gunner nearly kana heat exhuastion. its not very combat effective as a LAW doesn't possess much penetration power.
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Frankly, I think infantry units should change to the disposable bunker busting launchers , I think there are a few types that carry an explosive charge bigger than the LAW. Afterall, the 84 mm is nowadays mostly employed against hardened shelters and softer armoured vehicles. A soldier can carry 3 or 4 disposable launchers on a " H" frame on his back. His assistant can carry the same which will already be a good mission load.
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As for the disposable, i don't noe if your refering to the Matador (is it disposible ? sorry ORDed before i could know it) a bloody 9kg missle isn't the best thing to carry ard, u end up like an ATGM gunner....
The purpose of the 84mm RR team along with the rest of the security force is usually deployed in a block force position.Don't think i can comment much on what a block force do, but those COY 2IC or 84MM RR Commanders and HQ Platoon PS will noe what the block force does really. -
Not to mention you spend time in camp bore sighting the weapon .. then walk a few km to your firebase.Originally posted by specfore:I agree the weight of the 84mm (and for discussion sake also, the GPMG) is not that bad. It is the awkward shape and length and the protrusions from the weapon that make you confused as to how best to carry it on the march.
Bore sight for fark?!!
Stupid caps. You actually spend time securing them (with comms cord?) and they still can get lost. Or secure too tight cannot take off at the firebase .. lol
Stupid stand. Keep knocking at your balls during the march.
Stupid Nighthawk. Waste our time water proofing them. -
By the way, the recent Defense exhibition unveiled the powerful airburst weapon. The String of pearls?
Still need 84mm HE airburst meh? -
Block force is set up to over-watch an axis leading to the engagement site. Basically, it is a section or platoon size force tasked to engage enemy reinforcements trying to reach the area of engagement, or like what the Americans are doing in Fallujah now, to engage enemy forces retreating from the area of engagement. Usually the support platoon will detach some elements including 84 or GPMG team , depending whether the attacking force can spare them , and together with some "lobo" infantry, they will form the block force detachment.Originally posted by one-niner:Well an active SIR Bn was tasked with carrying a trial version of the LAW tube backpack, similar to what u said, but its more like a haversack version, the poor LAW gunner nearly kana heat exhuastion. its not very combat effective as a LAW doesn't possess much penetration power.
As for the disposable, i don't noe if your refering to the Matador (is it disposible ? sorry ORDed before i could know it) a bloody 9kg missle isn't the best thing to carry ard, u end up like an ATGM gunner....
The purpose of the 84mm RR team along with the rest of the security force is usually deployed in a block force position.Don't think i can comment much on what a block force do, but those COY 2IC or 84MM RR Commanders and HQ Platoon PS will noe what the block force does really.
There are bigger disposable missiles than the LAW (which is obsolete)... late Vietnam war era. I believe there is a new version of Armbrust , which some units are trialling. -
I'm more Arty than Infantry, & we used to hump the 120mm base plate during marches & stuff - but more for show & for team-bonding. No one can takan carrying it for more than a few minutes!
As long as they let me fire the 84mm RR once in a while, I'll carry it anytime they want. Can still remember my 1st live-firing familiarization shoot with it at SAFTI - boy, the backblast literally sent shivers down my back. imo More than makes up for the humping. -
i have seen 84 gunners rest the gun on their fieldpacks so its easier to carry.Originally posted by Icemoon:Stupid stand. Keep knocking at your balls during the march. -
nowadays, nobody manpacks the plate anymore. doesnt make sense, especially for ops.Originally posted by Moxie:I'm more Arty than Infantry, & we used to hump the 120mm base plate during marches & stuff - but more for show & for team-bonding. No one can takan carrying it for more than a few minutes!
As long as they let me fire the 84mm RR once in a while, I'll carry it anytime they want. Can still remember my 1st live-firing familiarization shoot with it at SAFTI - boy, the backblast literally sent shivers down my back. imo More than makes up for the humping.
and oh yes, the sensation when firing the round, but more so when being the 84 assistant! -
That's during a march.Originally posted by wuming78:i have seen 84 gunners rest the gun on their fieldpacks so its easier to carry.
During tactical movement, that's not a good place. Wait knock a tree trunk scope drop liao also dunno .. lol