What is the consequences?
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since the day i join...Originally posted by Gordonator:crab!?
sir, how long have u been keeping your little secret? 
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no problem ba... dun tink bcos of tis will bcm low flyer... as long as he do the usual wayang + suck up should hv no problem in his path...Originally posted by hotdoggie:If a high flyer officer in the SAF is found out to be a gay, what will be the consequences? -
den continue keeping it...Originally posted by hotdoggie:since the day i join... -
will you declare if you are one??? i m sure you ve secrets that you do not wish to declare too...Originally posted by wuming78:making a false declaration or not making a declaration when one is supposed to reflects lack of integrity, one of the key attributes officers should have.
so the consequences are for you to imagine.
in this case, i wonder if SAF discreetly get to know but have no evidences to proscute it, what are the consequences you can think of? -
Indirect devaluation of work performance?
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me tooOriginally posted by SibeiSuayKia:wha...
lol...i hope i don't know who are u..
ur gay too right?
im gay oso...
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well... if i am, i probably wont even sign on in the first place. why expose myself to possible legal prosecution for making false declarations (or not making a declaration when one is necessary)? i think its hard to use ignorance either of own condition or of the requirement as an excuse...Originally posted by hotdoggie:will you declare if you are one??? i m sure you ve secrets that you do not wish to declare too...
in this case, i wonder if SAF discreetly get to know but have no evidences to proscute it, what are the consequences you can think of?
officers who were found with flawed integrity had been decommissioned in the past. cadets who were found with flawed integrity had been made OOC too. -
who doesn't have flawed integrity including yourself?Originally posted by wuming78:well... if i am, i probably wont even sign on in the first place. why expose myself to possible legal prosecution for making false declarations (or not making a declaration when one is necessary)? i think its hard to use ignorance either of own condition or of the requirement as an excuse...
officers who were found with flawed integrity had been decommissioned in the past. cadets who were found with flawed integrity had been made OOC too. The rule is dun get caught. At most if SAF knows and without concrete evidences, there's nothing much they can do.
i ve survived in the armed forces for almost 10 yrs with my career advancing faster than expected (getting my crab at 30)...so you see the points?
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You should be worried less about the official response of the SAF, than about the response of your own men. As you can see from the responses on this forum, many still regard being homosexual as something "wrong" in a cultural or moral context.
Singapore is still by far a patriarchal society. While the government may be becoming more open, society in general still refuses to accept non-standard behavior. If found out, you will be the butt of jokes at camp. You will lose respect among your men. Your men will be less likely to follow your orders and more likely to question them. It will become taboo for your colleagues or men to be seen with you outside of uniform. You will face discrimination of the very worst kind and at the end of the day, this will affect your productivity and the productivity of your men.
As I mentioned, society in general does not accept you and the military is by far one of our society's most conservative institutions. Thus, on another note, if found out, the SAF might not punish you openly, but they might make an effort to side line you. Having a homosexual Major appearing in an The New Paper expose, would still be a public relations disaster. -
but seriously speaking,
how "gay" are u ? , as in the magnitude.
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psychologist have reported that many people(esp. homo) are actually very unsure of whether they are gay or straight...
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duplicated.
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We want an inclusive society, but the reality right now is that there is still a huge section that merely tolerates, but does not welcome homosexuality.I respect your orientation, but the fact that you concealed it in order to advance further in your profession might have a stain on your character or professional image if you are found out.You tread a fine line here, we are not the United States of America or Sweden, where the people might be more forgiving.It's sad, yes, and the Army is one place where forgiveness is a rare commodity.Your men, they may or may not snicker behind your back, but you would have shown to them that you have misled them and they will have less trust in you and respect as a soldier.My words are blunt but they reflect the current state of things in society today.Too bad the SAF is not a liberal establishment where pure merit is recognised and anything else is left aside.Originally posted by aerozapper:You should be worried less about the official response of the SAF, than about the response of your own men. As you can see from the responses on this forum, many still regard being homosexual as something "wrong" in a cultural or moral context.
Singapore is still by far a patriarchal society. While the government may be becoming more open, society in general still refuses to accept non-standard behavior. If found out, you will be the butt of jokes at camp. You will lose respect among your men. Your men will be less likely to follow your orders and more likely to question them. It will become taboo for your colleagues or men to be seen with you outside of uniform. You will face discrimination of the very worst kind and at the end of the day, this will affect your productivity and the productivity of your men.
As I mentioned, society in general does not accept you and the military is by far one of our society's most conservative institutions. Thus, on another note, if found out, the SAF might not punish you openly, but they might make an effort to side line you. Having a homosexual Major appearing in an The New Paper expose, would still be a public relations disaster.
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as long as i stand upright in SAF, my sexual orientation does not have any impact in my duties but only to my partner.Originally posted by LazerLordz:We want an inclusive society, but the reality right now is that there is still a huge section that merely tolerates, but does not welcome homosexuality.I respect your orientation, but the fact that you concealed it in order to advance further in your profession might have a stain on your character or professional image if you are found out.You tread a fine line here, we are not the United States of America or Sweden, where the people might be more forgiving.It's sad, yes, and the Army is one place where forgiveness is a rare commodity.Your men, they may or may not snicker behind your back, but you would have shown to them that you have misled them and they will have less trust in you and respect as a soldier.My words are blunt but they reflect the current state of things in society today.Too bad the SAF is not a liberal establishment where pure merit is recognised and anything else is left aside.
Btw, are you in combat or a staff appointment?
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i am surprised as an officer, your thinking is rather myopic.... at age 30 and a scholar somemore.Originally posted by hotdoggie:as long as i stand upright in SAF, my sexual orientation does not have any impact in my duties but only to my partner.
i m currently in combat appt
no doubt... your sexual orientation does not pose impairment to your performance at work. think beyond that. the men you command are likely to lose respect to you as a commander if they know you are a gay. no doubt you can go top down and command... chances are you will get a disgruntled bunch of men. your peers are likely to ostracise you as well..... once you lose the dynamics between people, you can go cry father cry mother and chances are you work alone. i dun know if this will go down well with you... u will then be damn miserable working in the army. and by taking advantage of an unspoken rule, shows how selfish and lowly you are... you may have cleared OCS... but your character leaves much to be desired... so much for being an ociffer. (i'd call u an oriffice... except that if I do that I'd probably get banned.
do yourself a favour... if you are not into your 2nd stage of your contract or whatever they call it... look for a job elsewhere. it would be a disgrace to see a homo crab being discharged from service. -
yeah, get a job outsideOriginally posted by SBST390:i am surprised as an officer, your thinking is rather myopic.... at age 30 and a scholar somemore.
no doubt... your sexual orientation does not pose impairment to your performance at work. think beyond that. the men you command are likely to lose respect to you as a commander if they know you are a gay. no doubt you can go top down and command... chances are you will get a disgruntled bunch of men. your peers are likely to ostracise you as well..... once you lose the dynamics between people, you can go cry father cry mother and chances are you work alone. i dun know if this will go down well with you... u will then be damn miserable working in the army. and by taking advantage of an unspoken rule, shows how selfish and lowly you are... you may have cleared OCS... but your character leaves much to be desired... so much for being an ociffer. (i'd call u an oriffice... except that if I do that I'd probably get banned.
do yourself a favour... if you are not into your 2nd stage of your contract or whatever they call it... look for a job elsewhere. it would be a disgrace to see a homo crab being discharged from service. -
*Double Post*
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I'm just trying to tell you that SG society is not so forgiving and idealistic people like you and I have to realise that there are others who will not care for any romantic notion about as long as you do your best and am impartial and fair, things will be smooth.Only the liberal, edcuated segment of the population may understand your sentiments.You said you're holding a combat appointment, which means you are commanding at least a battalion, to say the very least.Not all your men are educated or enlightened to the extent I've espoused.So, try to think from that POV and you will have an easier way to try solve your dilemma, whichever way you seem fit.Originally posted by hotdoggie:as long as i stand upright in SAF, my sexual orientation does not have any impact in my duties but only to my partner.
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Come here, encik give you some real loving
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Originally posted by Xprobe:Come here, encik give you some real loving
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if that's the case, why this post?Originally posted by hotdoggie:who doesn't have flawed integrity including yourself? The rule is dun get caught. At most if SAF knows and without concrete evidences, there's nothing much they can do.
i ve survived in the armed forces for almost 10 yrs with my career advancing faster than expected (getting my crab at 30)...so you see the points? -
Sigh,
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