Armour unit
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Just look at the canteen inside armour camps u will know. Pork/chicken served almost everyday. There is no separate halal food section cater for malays, unlike in other camps. Support battalions like armour technicians, turret technicians, weapon system technicians are ALL chinese or indians. The same goes to storemen and drivers. Malays are barred from armour camps, just for your info.
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well.. malays are not barred from armour camps lah..i've seen malays in my camp. what about signals and combat E? got malays?Originally posted by Shadow Dancer:Just look at the canteen inside armour camps u will know. Pork/chicken served almost everyday. There is no separate halal food section cater for malays, unlike in other camps. Support battalions like armour technicians, turret technicians, weapon system technicians are ALL chinese or indians. The same goes to storemen and drivers. Malays are barred from armour camps, just for your info. -
Dun mind me guys, i'm malay too. As i noe, sometimes we dun show some ethusiasm in army. Dats y u seldom c some malays in other combat units like as mention, Armor.
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no malays in armour...dont ask y
there are malays in cdo...
malays in guards...
this kind of issue...hard to say...
its onli a few decades since malays were allowed to do their ns in the army....
i'm a malay...
from wat i see..
there are 2 types of malays..
those couldnt be bothered which seems to be more..
those that wanna do the best in wat they do which seems to be the minority..
no in between one
dont think of it as racial discrimination....
there is a reason for sure that the government would not like to disclose..
u just gotta see 2 sides of the story....
i hope the next lines i say dont spark a flamewar...but this is coming from me as a malay doing my own cultural observation..
there are a majority of malays that are content with what they have and dont seem to work to gain better things
just be proud with wat u are...work hard...and prove the nay-sayers wrong...
what i think is...give the army time...sooner or later...there'd be malays in every unit...just give it time...
for now...every malay pre-enlistee, nsf or regular that reads this must understand that the better they perform now as soldiers and citizens...they would/might provide more chances for malays in the future...never let ureselves be stereotyped...
i hope nobody flames/ridicules this reply.... -
There are malay pilots.From memory,one is an F-16 fighter pilot,the other is a C-130 pilot.Anyway,sorry my muslim friends,some units there are no malays due to the sensitivity of the nature of their work.Am a chinese here,read that Malays are not allowed as the Quran states something like its wrong for a Muslim to fight against another Muslim.Thus some frontline chiong suan units do not accept muslims.So far there are malay guardsmen,infantry etc.Navy and Air Force side malays are only like 5% of the entire force make-up.
How often does one see a malay sailor or a malay air-crew right?Most are posted to SCDF.But anyway,you guys rock man!!!Together we serve the nation,not as chinese,malay,indian or eurasian,but as a true blooded Singaporean. -
Quran states wrong for muslim to fight against muslim...Originally posted by SpecOps87:There are malay pilots.From memory,one is an F-16 fighter pilot,the other is a C-130 pilot.Anyway,sorry my muslim friends,some units there are no malays due to the sensitivity of the nature of their work.Am a chinese here,read that Malays are not allowed as the Quran states something like its wrong for a Muslim to fight against another Muslim.Thus some frontline chiong suan units do not accept muslims.So far there are malay guardsmen,infantry etc.Navy and Air Force side malays are only like 5% of the entire force make-up.
How often does one see a malay sailor or a malay air-crew right?Most are posted to SCDF.But anyway,you guys rock man!!!Together we serve the nation,not as chinese,malay,indian or eurasian,but as a true blooded Singaporean.
what happens when it is inevitable...
ure bestfren is of other race same section as u..same platoon as u.....
u just say u wont fight?
not trying to be hero or gungho or unreligious...
but i think people who wanna be regular or thereabouts noe the risks....
even the USMC has muslims...The Royal Army has muslims....
sometimes cant say that ppl are bochi or humchi...sometimes its the upbringing and that they think too much.....
Shit hits the fan....politics and other things goes out the door -
This is a really sensitive issue that i hope would not be brought up again(but i noe will be brought up again)
hope malays reading this dont get too anti-govt....u gotta stop thinking abt ureself and more of the bigger picture -
i agree...its the truth...and it hurts. strictly no mats. ask the army abt this if u wanna know more.Originally posted by Marco_Simone:Sad to say,it is the truth,just that no one wants to acknowledge this openly.
No mats in Commando,Armour,Pilot,weapon/electronics/communications logistics,still got where else? -
Wonder why malays normally posted to SCDF or SPF?Originally posted by tiggersgd:i agree...its the truth...and it hurts. strictly no mats. ask the army abt this if u wanna know more. -
cannot say like that la...gotta satisfy quota...Originally posted by gnoik:Wonder why malays normally posted to SCDF or SPF?
depends on pre-enlistment computer test too..
and quota....
sometimes its police records(dont wanna point fingers arh....so dont anyhow say i think that malays got high chance of getting police records)
and for the 3rd time...gotta satisfy the quota -
no actually things like this ought to be brought up more often. discussion eventually leads to change. maybe 1 or 2 generations down the road, when we're more disconnected from malaysia such restrictions would be lifted.Originally posted by sidestep1984:This is a really sensitive issue that i hope would not be brought up again(but i noe will be brought up again) -
I think a little clarification is in order; is the policy against malays or muslims? If it is against muslims, then imo, it may well be justified. It is however, unjustifiable if it is a rule against malays.
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Then there is no point of me signing on the army....Originally posted by sidestep1984:no malays in armour...dont ask y
there are malays in cdo...
malays in guards...
this kind of issue...hard to say...
its onli a few decades since malays were allowed to do their ns in the army....
i'm a malay...
from wat i see..
there are 2 types of malays..
those couldnt be bothered which seems to be more..
those that wanna do the best in wat they do which seems to be the minority..
no in between one
dont think of it as racial discrimination....
there is a reason for sure that the government would not like to disclose..
u just gotta see 2 sides of the story....
i hope the next lines i say dont spark a flamewar...but this is coming from me as a malay doing my own cultural observation..
there are a majority of malays that are content with what they have and dont seem to work to gain better things
just be proud with wat u are...work hard...and prove the nay-sayers wrong...
what i think is...give the army time...sooner or later...there'd be malays in every unit...just give it time...
for now...every malay pre-enlistee, nsf or regular that reads this must understand that the better they perform now as soldiers and citizens...they would/might provide more chances for malays in the future...never let ureselves be stereotyped...
i hope nobody flames/ridicules this reply....
Also no use
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suits u....Originally posted by SerialBox:Then there is no point of me signing on the army....
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Eh, but first u all must ask urself this question,
u are in a armour unit, and the enemies are hiding out in a religious settlement..
I for myself im a God-Believer, i won't hit a religious place..
Your a God-believer, if he hides out in a church/mosque..
would u blow it up?
Most likely 99.99% you wouldn't and you would defy orders
and when u defy orders, the army cannot work as a potent force..
Thats the simply theory.
There are many more classified units without malays also..
btw, the one in the RSAF pilot and C-130 are half-malays i think..but not muslims.
sort of mix ...
Agreed , its a very sensitive issue..but hey..
The government has its plans..
You wouldn't wanna risk..
Anyway for israel, they got very high ranking arab colonels fighting for them..
against palestinians i guess..
Yup and they can be trusted also.
Iraq vs kuwait and iraq vs iran are muslim vs muslim countries..
same religion also can fight i guess?
Anyway, government is just flip-siding malaysia policy..
Malaysia schools is like MCKK....we got CHS and SCGS..
as for the others..
In malaysia nuclear research center, all of them are malays as well..
Pilots also...
Chinese rarely serve in the armed forces
they are also scared that their chinese might not fire at the SG chinese army..
same thing la... -
Do take note that.. the total number of ethnic chinese in the malay archipelago still forms less then 10 million in comparison to 200 million ++ muslims..
we're the real minority here...
Even if its "discrimination"
Its part of a defense plan to make us strong..
Imagine we had not separated..
We would be living under hell...
Ethnic Chinese would be like the palestinians and gets bossed around..by those malaysians...
Singapore is a country that keeps watch whenever the other countriess bullies it's minorities..
and be alert itself..
Even though a chinese-majority, we would like to see everyone being respected and we try to give more multi-racial ness then any other country in this world...
Trust me, malays can have almost 99.99% of what they want...
Some restricted areas are just in place to keep our nation safe
Also 1 point i take note..
LKY did not mention about israeli helping us...because he was afraid of other countries complaining about it...
He's trying his best to make this a multi-racial state..
And for dealings with the israelis...he also didn't send malays to do it for fear that they won't like it.... -
I'm Malay.
Sure, the Quran states that Muslims should never fight against Muslims.
But if the Matlanders are going to occupy this land that I was born in and kill and rape my family and friends..... I will not sit back and watch it all happening.
If anything like that happens, bring me to the chief Matlander - I'll personally shove the barrel of my SAR 21 up his a**.
Anyway, SAF is making an extremely serious mistake by barring Malays from certain formations. I personally experienced this when my sergeant told us that the Navy was looking for medics while I was taking my Combat Medic Course. When I tried to go for the talk, he said that they would never consider me.
When I asked why, he said: "What I am supposed to tell you is that naval bases don't have Muslim cookhouses. What I am not supposed to tell you is that they would never allow Malays into the Navy."
When I heard that, I got super-disillusioned. I always looked down on Malaysia for having policies which discriminated against the Chinese and the Indians and always felt proud that this was not the case in Singapore. Now - sheesh..... I find myself questioning, why should I fight and die for a government that doesn't trust me?
In the end, I told myself, I will fight and die for my family and friends and all those whom I care about. To heck with Ah Long, Ah Tong and Ah Yew aka The Three Tuatows. -
yeah....well...wat to do....hard to explain...hard to comprehend...but if they give the race a chance.....they wont be making any mistakes....Originally posted by fudgester:I'm Malay.
Sure, the Quran states that Muslims should never fight against Muslims.
But if the Matlanders are going to occupy this land that I was born in and kill and rape my family and friends..... I will not sit back and watch it all happening.
If anything like that happens, bring me to the chief Matlander - I'll personally shove the barrel of my SAR 21 up his a**.
Anyway, SAF is making an extremely serious mistake by barring Malays from certain formations. I personally experienced this when my sergeant told us that the Navy was looking for medics while I was taking my Combat Medic Course. When I tried to go for the talk, he said that they would never consider me.
When I asked why, he said: "What I am supposed to tell you is that naval bases don't have Muslim cookhouses. What I am not supposed to tell you is that they would never allow Malays into the Navy."
When I heard that, I got super-disillusioned. I always looked down on Malaysia for having policies which discriminated against the Chinese and the Indians and always felt proud that this was not the case in Singapore. Now - sheesh..... I find myself questioning, why should I fight and die for a government that doesn't trust me?
In the end, I told myself, I will fight and die for my family and friends and all those whom I care about. To heck with Ah Long, Ah Tong and Ah Yew aka The Three Tuatows. -
Actually, I also agree with what you said earlier. There are two types of malays, where the majority are slackers who are too easily contented with what they have and the minority are the hardworking ones who do their best and strive for the best.Originally posted by sidestep1984:yeah....well...wat to do....hard to explain...hard to comprehend...but if they give the race a chance.....they wont be making any mistakes....
I suppose part of the blame has to go to the Malay majority for portraying themselves as slackers. The plain and simple truth is that Malays are generally slackers. That's probably part of the reason why the Government doesn't trust us enough to helm navy ships or drive SM-1 tanks.
I'm just stating a fact. The statistics don't lie. Malays are generally the most underperforming race of all when it comes to academic performance. I remember touching on this in another forum - something to do about racial discrimination in Singapore.
Still, this in no way excuses the attitudes of the SAF with regards to Malays..... it makes the word 'meritocracy' sound hollow and hypocritical. -
to hell with those who dont work hard...makes the rest look bad...Originally posted by fudgester:Actually, I also agree with what you said earlier. There are two types of malays, where the majority are slackers who are too easily contented with what they have and the minority are the hardworking ones who do their best and strive for the best.
I suppose part of the blame has to go to the Malay majority for portraying themselves as slackers. The plain and simple truth is that Malays are generally slackers. That's probably part of the reason why the Government doesn't trust us enough to helm navy ships or drive SM-1 tanks.
I'm just stating a fact. The statistics don't lie. Malays are generally the most underperforming race of all when it comes to academic performance. I remember touching on this in another forum - something to do about racial discrimination in Singapore.
Still, this in no way excuses the attitudes of the SAF with regards to Malays..... it makes the word 'meritocracy' sound hollow and hypocritical. -
That the statistics show that malays are more likely to undeperform is irrelevant imo. IF you are gg to base your criteria on ability, there are exam results available.
Right now, they have an absolute ban on Muslims/Malays (which?). -
The results ARE the statistics. Just take a look at the results of the major examinations. Malays are always at the bottom when the different races are compared.Originally posted by lwflee:That the statistics show that malays are more likely to undeperform is irrelevant imo. IF you are gg to base your criteria on ability, there are exam results available.
Right now, they have an absolute ban on Muslims/Malays (which?).
Anyway, 99.99% of Malays are Muslims. So, for all intents and purposes, an absolute ban on Malays == absolute ban on Muslims.
Sure, there are Muslims of other races, but they make up a minority (and Malays already are the minority).
Whatever the case, the SAF has no excuse for this sort of crap. -
consider infantry or guards loh.Originally posted by SerialBox:Then there is no point of me signing on the army....
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SCE have malay? unless u count the drivers/storeman. but i've never see before malay specialists or officers in SCE.Originally posted by Manager433:Sir unit have.
Sce also have.
ok correctly speaking there's a malay warrant officers in DETC. the only malay WO in SCE i've seen so far. -
Well SAID!!!I salute you!Originally posted by sidestep1984:no malays in armour...dont ask y
there are malays in cdo...
malays in guards...
this kind of issue...hard to say...
its onli a few decades since malays were allowed to do their ns in the army....
i'm a malay...
from wat i see..
there are 2 types of malays..
those couldnt be bothered which seems to be more..
those that wanna do the best in wat they do which seems to be the minority..
no in between one
dont think of it as racial discrimination....
there is a reason for sure that the government would not like to disclose..
u just gotta see 2 sides of the story....
i hope the next lines i say dont spark a flamewar...but this is coming from me as a malay doing my own cultural observation..
there are a majority of malays that are content with what they have and dont seem to work to gain better things
just be proud with wat u are...work hard...and prove the nay-sayers wrong...
what i think is...give the army time...sooner or later...there'd be malays in every unit...just give it time...
for now...every malay pre-enlistee, nsf or regular that reads this must understand that the better they perform now as soldiers and citizens...they would/might provide more chances for malays in the future...never let ureselves be stereotyped...
i hope nobody flames/ridicules this reply....