Armour unit
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btw the only malay in the RSAF is a transport pilot,my teacher said that....Originally posted by nismoS132:i've never seen any malay in armor camps either. there are also no malays in any weapons technician courses.
but i remember there being 1 or 2 malay pilots.
for some reason, a large number of malays i see are either RPs, medics or storemen. -
Aber.Originally posted by seancannot:They were saying that Armour is one of the understated unit in SAF , commandos got their red beret m guardmen their tab to show ... Armour got black beret which nobody knows.. Seen the armour training b 4 in the field , think their training are quite shiong !! imagine the trooper has to be rooasted inside the APC under the hot sun... aka living hell!! Generally they walk less than infantry soldier but They also have to debus to do flanking etc etc..
Tell me commandos and guards got OVMs to settle? Armour busy settling OVMs, they taking ippt ar. -
yes. a lot of malay are RPs or drivers. those with better education levels and leadership qualities will go SISPEC be infantry, guards sergeants. that's why BMTC got so many malay commanders.Originally posted by nismoS132:for some reason, a large number of malays i see are either RPs, medics or storemen. -
im a malay.....i want to be driver....Originally posted by Gordonator:yes. a lot of malay are RPs or drivers. those with better education levels and leadership qualities will go SISPEC be infantry, guards sergeants. that's why BMTC got so many malay commanders.
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im a malay.....i want to be driver when i go NS...Originally posted by Gordonator:yes. a lot of malay are RPs or drivers. those with better education levels and leadership qualities will go SISPEC be infantry, guards sergeants. that's why BMTC got so many malay commanders. -
To clear some doubts,
1) There are Malay pilots and there is one who is a F-16 pilot. Muslim or not, I am not sure but he is a Malay.
2) According to my Commando friend, Malays are allowed, as in Guards, in Cdo. However, because of the tough life, many got out-of-course. So, statistically speaking, you don't see one wearing red beret.
3) Guard units have many Malays and the guardsmen are supposed to be elite infantrymen. There are Malays handling ATGM, MG, etc. There was this Capt Sulaiman, who worked in Berita Harian, but was in command of a mobile ATGM platoon (ATGM mounted on Spider vehicle). Remember also that the guardsmen are trained in demolition, heli-ops, etc. In terms of the infantry fieldcrafts and sabotage techniques, the guardsmen are only second to Cdos, and much superior than any armour infantryman.
Therefore, from the above, I do not think that SAF is discriminating against the Malays. Some units, we must understand, need 100% committment and clear directions when asked to act. The people there cannot even have a slight doubt or even delay when asked to act. It is true that we have significant dealings with the Israelis, especially, armour, as the Israelis are considered the best in terms of armour tactics and technolgy. So, it will be troublesome, IMHO, in some cases to have muslims (not Malay) in the formation.
I think, the SAF, having the standard Singaporean mentality, is kiasu and kiasee. So, to make sure that there is not even a 0.001% chance of a hiccup, has to install certain manpower policies.
I believe, all of our NSF, NSmen are patriotic, regardless of race. However, the racial and religious traits of a person, whether Malay or Chinese, cannot be totally removed. When in a critical situation, a slight wavering or delay, may cause the death of his buddy or a failure of a mission.
We have many Singaporeans who have relatives in the North and South and when one has to face his relative in a conflict, whether Malay or Chinese, it will be a tough decision.
The worrying trend for us, is the grow of islamic extremism. This wrong and sinful use of religion to justify killings of innocent people may affect our young recruits in the SAF. A fanatical tonner driver is as dangerous as a mad tankee or a guardsman.
It is not the unit that one is in but the mind that one has. -
I agree with the last point.Isn't the Chief Commando Officer, COL Yeo Eidik Malay?Originally posted by Singapore AI:To clear some doubts,
1) There are Malay pilots and there is one who is a F-16 pilot. Muslim or not, I am not sure but he is a Malay.
2) According to my Commando friend, Malays are allowed, as in Guards, in Cdo. However, because of the tough life, many got out-of-course. So, statistically speaking, you don't see one wearing red beret.
3) Guard units have many Malays and the guardsmen are supposed to be elite infantrymen. There are Malays handling ATGM, MG, etc. There was this Capt Sulaiman, who worked in Berita Harian, but was in command of a mobile ATGM platoon (ATGM mounted on Spider vehicle). Remember also that the guardsmen are trained in demolition, heli-ops, etc. In terms of the infantry fieldcrafts and sabotage techniques, the guardsmen are only second to Cdos, and much superior than any armour infantryman.
Therefore, from the above, I do not think that SAF is discriminating against the Malays. Some units, we must understand, need 100% committment and clear directions when asked to act. The people there cannot even have a slight doubt or even delay when asked to act. It is true that we have significant dealings with the Israelis, especially, armour, as the Israelis are considered the best in terms of armour tactics and technolgy. So, it will be troublesome, IMHO, in some cases to have muslims (not Malay) in the formation.
I think, the SAF, having the standard Singaporean mentality, is kiasu and kiasee. So, to make sure that there is not even a 0.001% chance of a hiccup, has to install certain manpower policies.
I believe, all of our NSF, NSmen are patriotic, regardless of race. However, the racial and religious traits of a person, whether Malay or Chinese, cannot be totally removed. When in a critical situation, a slight wavering or delay, may cause the death of his buddy or a failure of a mission.
We have many Singaporeans who have relatives in the North and South and when one has to face his relative in a conflict, whether Malay or Chinese, it will be a tough decision.
The worrying trend for us, is the grow of islamic extremism. This wrong and sinful use of religion to justify killings of innocent people may affect our young recruits in the SAF. A fanatical tonner driver is as dangerous as a mad tankee or a guardsman.
It is not the unit that one is in but the mind that one has. -
negative. your teacher outdated. in usa f16 pilot training.....a malay!Originally posted by wonderamazement:btw the only malay in the RSAF is a transport pilot,my teacher said that....
armour unit no malay doesnt mean amomng their NSmen, theres no muslims ( chinese muslim ). my unit, a sensitive unit also got a chinese muslim......yet few ppl knows except CO and chief clerk. Y he married a malay? hee hee 'shot gun', he chiong mountain then one weekend nite book out go pub got himself drunk and had sex wif a chio malay waitress.........the rest is history
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err.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I agree with the last point.Isn't the Chief Commando Officer, COL Yeo Eidik Malay?
you are joking, aren't you?2) According to my Commando friend, Malays are allowed, as in Guards, in Cdo. However, because of the tough life, many got out-of-course. So, statistically speaking, you don't see one wearing red beret.
your reply implies that there are an equal - or at least proportionate - number of malays enlisted into the commandos, and its only because of their own lack of ability that you don't see malay commandos.
here's a fact: out of my company which had an initial enlistment of roughly 200, there was a grand total of 1 malay. who, incidentally, was one of the 100+ fellows who got his red beret after 11 months.
the company which enlisted after mine had 0 malays. the one after that had a few, but less than 5 if i'm not wrong - certainly nowhere near a number proportionate to singapore's racial breakdown.
so yes, malays are technically allowed into the commandos - but the fact remains that there are very, very few who are actually enlisted into the formation.
and i've personally never seen a malay commando regular before. -
It is too costly when it comes to a war...the human price..
etc...it is almost 0.01% of it happening.. -
I Clerk, PES C, not Chiong suah but must go out field to do sai gangs.Originally posted by chikopek:I got more important questions on Armour unit
1) Is it true that all the non combatants like clerks, technicans, storeman etc are combat fit i.e PES A/B and they also needs to chiong suah as other armourers and there is not a single PES C/E personnels in an armour camp?
2) Does Armour units have nights off whenever there's no duties at night for non combatants there? -
not true tt got no PES C/E in armour..mi friend E9L9 was a technician some more is attached to company so when company chiong..he also got to follow us so u say leh..bascially it depends on ur units and officers..if they say u chiong u also bo bian gt to choing ma..Originally posted by octega:I Clerk, PES C, not Chiong suah but must go out field to do sai gangs. -
Just to clarify my statements in my earlier post,
1) I did not state that there would be proportionate number of Malay or Indian Cdos as according to our population ratio.
2) In fact, it will be disasterous to adopt such a "quota" system or affirmative action plan.
3) If we are going to have such a system, then out of 10 pilots or Cdos, we must have al least 2 Malays and an Indian. Do we not select based on suitability and performance?
4) If SAF is to adopt such a system, then how about our SPF, our civil service per se?
5) Our neighbour has started to adopt performance based selection in their universities. -
He is chinese, perhaps a little peranakan or something... his surname is Yeo, what race do you think he is?Originally posted by LazerLordz:I agree with the last point.Isn't the Chief Commando Officer, COL Yeo Eidik Malay?