379 OCS CADETS COMMISSIONED AS OFFICERS
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editted by mod: he posted it "correctly" below. this was originally an uncomprehensible mess!
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I won't be one to say I knew of my friend who slept during a parade and fell out so unceremoniously.
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anyway my friend was one of those who fainted. he got 21 extras i heard. the air force guy who walked out got 28. i think the air force guy absolutely deserves it. i think he was sleeping then he fell cos he immediately recovered from what my instructors said. then when the medic came at first he refused to fall out but i think too embarrassed to carry on so he walked out. my instructors were absolutely disgusted. for my own two cents worth, i think he deserved his extras. absolutely no pride man.
in fact i got two friends who fainted. one from combat engineers. he is the SOH and one from foxtrot.
i think all of them really deserved their punishment, including my friend. if they cant take care of themselves and prepare themselves sufficiently for their own parade, how can they be expected to take care of their men in future?
ten months of training is even more xiong than the parade itself. anyway if officers can fall out, what do they expect of their men?? we dunt expect more of our men than what we expect of ourselves.
this is especially true of the air force guy who walked out. everyone in the stands was laughing at him. -
if they sign extras, they will serve their extras in their new unit as an officer right?
anyway officers' duties is also quite relaxing. do duty officer come down guardhouse see see look look. not so bad right as compared to doing guard duty as a cadet?
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Thats the main reason why i respect warrant officers more than newly commisioned officers. In fact i don't understand why warrant officers are considered lower rank than junior comissioned officers, they have more experience, knowledge compared to a 20 yr old punk....i.e MWO compared to a 2LT..
Don't gimme the crap of parade square warrant bigger and NCO is smaller than any commissioned officers...that i know..but when is the last time a WO ordered a 2LT to stripe down his rank to run around the parade square for not marching in the parade square. The last time was the reign of Tiger Hong as a MWO.. -
ya i agree with you...Once during a GOH rehearsal i participated in istana, 2 of the ensigns were scolded by SWO Richard Ee for not being serious during the rehearsals...my platoon mates and I realised how much power a SWO can have in the parade square....haha...
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that guy better be an NSF, and not a regular, knn walk out of his commissiong parade...fxxk ..no pride....absolutely deserves to be decomissioned.Originally posted by relackjack:anyway my friend was one of those who fainted. he got 21 extras i heard. the air force guy who walked out got 28. i think the air force guy absolutely deserves it. i think he was sleeping then he fell cos he immediately recovered from what my instructors said. then when the medic came at first he refused to fall out but i think too embarrassed to carry on so he walked out. my instructors were absolutely disgusted. for my own two cents worth, i think he deserved his extras. absolutely no pride man.
in fact i got two friends who fainted. one from combat engineers. he is the SOH and one from foxtrot.
i think all of them really deserved their punishment, including my friend. if they cant take care of themselves and prepare themselves sufficiently for their own parade, how can they be expected to take care of their men in future?
ten months of training is even more xiong than the parade itself. anyway if officers can fall out, what do they expect of their men?? we dunt expect more of our men than what we expect of ourselves.
this is especially true of the air force guy who walked out. everyone in the stands was laughing at him. -
He has to accountable for all the live rounds during the duty, sign this check that etc etc..True enough, less physically exerting compared to being a guard/sentry but then, he has to be more alert and be ready to make decisions should there be any irregularities... (e.g. Intruder attempting to tear down the gates..)Originally posted by Gordonator:if they sign extras, they will serve their extras in their new unit as an officer right?
anyway officers' duties is also quite relaxing. do duty officer come down guardhouse see see look look. not so bad right as compared to doing guard duty as a cadet?
With the greater rank, comes greater responsibility...
P.S. I am not an officer, but this is how i see it when i compare what he does and what we do..Cos I saw a DO kanna extra for missing a signature somewhere.. -
He airforce not?Originally posted by one-niner:that guy better be an NSF, and not a regular, knn walk out of his commissiong parade...fxxk ..no pride....absolutely deserves to be decomissioned.
More probably....he's a regular.
Though we cant be sure. Gotta snoop and ask ard. -
Isn't a WO's duty just to stand at the entrance of the camp in the morning and see that the traffic flow into the camp is done smoothly?
And like few WOs actually bother doing it..at most like go down look look see see and then leave..
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Depends on camp ba...Originally posted by CKtalon:Isn't a WO's duty just to stand at the entrance of the camp in the morning and see that the traffic flow into the camp is done smoothly?
And like few WOs actually bother doing it..at most like go down look look see see and then leave..
For me, cos we are small camp with mainly reserve units, officers do the job...and yea...I actually see that traffic runs in smoothly -
that reminds me of the Pasir Leba RSM, one hell of figure, catching everyone in the morning who walk past his gatesOriginally posted by CKtalon:Isn't a WO's duty just to stand at the entrance of the camp in the morning and see that the traffic flow into the camp is done smoothly?
And like few WOs actually bother doing it..at most like go down look look see see and then leave.. -
u mean the guardhouse RSM right?Originally posted by CKtalon:Isn't a WO's duty just to stand at the entrance of the camp in the morning and see that the traffic flow into the camp is done smoothly?
And like few WOs actually bother doing it..at most like go down look look see see and then leave.. -
hm.. getting 21 extras for fainting is actually quite.. well... dunno how to say. should he be blamed? i guess only he knows. as for someone who falls asleep, i must say that is rather amazing. although i have fell asleep standing on the mrt, this is a freaking commissioning parade!!! i think he deserves not to be commissioned at all (unless he has a very good reason for falling asleep)Originally posted by relackjack:anyway my friend was one of those who fainted. he got 21 extras i heard. the air force guy who walked out got 28. i think the air force guy absolutely deserves it. i think he was sleeping then he fell cos he immediately recovered from what my instructors said. then when the medic came at first he refused to fall out but i think too embarrassed to carry on so he walked out. my instructors were absolutely disgusted. for my own two cents worth, i think he deserved his extras. absolutely no pride man.
in fact i got two friends who fainted. one from combat engineers. he is the SOH and one from foxtrot.
i think all of them really deserved their punishment, including my friend. if they cant take care of themselves and prepare themselves sufficiently for their own parade, how can they be expected to take care of their men in future?
ten months of training is even more xiong than the parade itself. anyway if officers can fall out, what do they expect of their men?? we dunt expect more of our men than what we expect of ourselves.
this is especially true of the air force guy who walked out. everyone in the stands was laughing at him. -
absolutely - even though you physically do less as you rise up your ranks, you shoulder more responsibility, meaning to say if someone under your charge makes a mistake, you will have to bear the brunt too even though it may be of no mistake on your part. a DO is the highest ranking personnel in camp after office hours (assuming all other officers have gone home). so you can imagine how much responsibility he has to shoulder.Originally posted by Kaczynski:He has to accountable for all the live rounds during the duty, sign this check that etc etc..True enough, less physically exerting compared to being a guard/sentry but then, he has to be more alert and be ready to make decisions should there be any irregularities... (e.g. Intruder attempting to tear down the gates..)
With the greater rank, comes greater responsibility...
P.S. I am not an officer, but this is how i see it when i compare what he does and what we do..Cos I saw a DO kanna extra for missing a signature somewhere..
in any case, a DO still has to do quite a lot, including clearing of ALL the armskotes, checking on the guards, going for staff parades, and other odd jobs the FDO may task him, which may include checking on various parts and persons in the camp (physically sometimes) and sometimes the most unlikeable job of turning out duty personnel, making him the most hatred person of all (when he is simply doing his job...) -
alrite! which batch was he from? i shall send out my feelers to hunt him down!Originally posted by deathscythe99:He airforce not?
More probably....he's a regular.
Though we cant be sure. Gotta snoop and ask ard. 
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I feel that officers should have abilities beyond normal human beings. that is they are physically and mentally stronger and no officers should ever faint in the commissioning parade.
the apt punishment for them is to disallow them from commissioning -
Maybe airforce OCC wasn't tough enough, so he didn't feel much pride to be commissioned.
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Maybe airforce OCC wasn't tough enough, so he didn't feel much pride to be commissioned
I can tell you that the ADA pro term is no joke. Imagine carrying a 8 kg missle around on your back.
ADA is the most underrated vocation in the SAF. -
oops.make a mistake.he is from navy, but it's still quite terrible to walk out. the audience in the stands were making so much noise and i can see all the officers shaking their head.
actually i really quite pity my friend who fainted (the one from combat engineer). i saw him before the parade and he was already darn concussed. he fell in in an entirely different contigent twice. asked him whether he is alright but i think maybe because he is the SOH so he doesn't want to fall out. -
He SOH? omg! did the level of SOH drop?Originally posted by relackjack:oops.make a mistake.he is from navy, but it's still quite terrible to walk out. the audience in the stands were making so much noise and i can see all the officers shaking their head.
actually i really quite pity my friend who fainted (the one from combat engineer). i saw him before the parade and he was already darn concussed. he fell in in an entirely different contigent twice. asked him whether he is alright but i think maybe because he is the SOH so he doesn't want to fall out.
I mean, seriously, SOH is supposedly the best of the best in the batch of cadets (within that vocation). So how could he...? -
why before the parade concusse ?? went clubbing the night before right ?Originally posted by relackjack:oops.make a mistake.he is from navy, but it's still quite terrible to walk out. the audience in the stands were making so much noise and i can see all the officers shaking their head.
actually i really quite pity my friend who fainted (the one from combat engineer). i saw him before the parade and he was already darn concussed. he fell in in an entirely different contigent twice. asked him whether he is alright but i think maybe because he is the SOH so he doesn't want to fall out. -
they should make the cadets stay in the night before the parade. and water parade them before lightout @ 2200.Originally posted by one-niner:why before the parade concusse ?? went clubbing the night before right ?
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It is very saddening to see my junior batches of officers allowing such things to happen to their own Comms Parade. Nothing happened during Charlie Hotel though Anyway, about the airforce guy, he is a WSO (Fighter) from the badge i saw la.... poor guy.. he was actually on heavy medication due to the previous week's training but he was insistent on doing it.
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I really hope that the punishments were given only after due consideration on a case by case basis.. It definitely is not fair to just tar everyone with the same brush: people can fall ill suddenly, and they should not be punished.
In my opinion, 21 extras is too much for falling out of a commissioning parade, especially since those are newly commissioned. Imagine getting punished already on your first day of duty...
I could already feel the heat at the spectator stands, and somemore, people should be more forgiving of mistakes. They fell asleep. So what? Does that make them any worse officers? Officers are after all still humans.