SAF General/Admiral/ Field Marshal: 4-Star ONLY IN WAR-TIME?
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hmm..
For me, the generals I have seen/talked to are
CDF
COA
Chief Of Armour
Chief of Air Staff
3rd Div Commander
Chief Of Medical Corp
SAFTI Commandant
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CSTO is LTC Ngien Boon PingOriginally posted by mdfjami:CSTO and CMEO
Chief Supply And Transport (LTC now I think)
Chief Maintainence and Engineering (previously one of the DY ACGS(Logs) if I'm not wrong)
CMEO is COL Ng Tiong Lee, who should be the next ACGS(LOGS)
since COL Philip Lim is now Head, Joint Logistics. -
last year i opened the car door for COA (and defence minister, teo chee hean)when he came for the engineer's anniversary!
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errmm off-topic.... issit possible for a vice-admiral or Lt-Gen from rasf be the CDF??
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I managed to talk to COA and Army RSM, then SWO Gunga when I was a lobo helping out at their visit to HQ MES.Originally posted by Gordonator:last year i opened the car door for COA (and defence minister, teo chee hean)when he came for the engineer's anniversary! -
Possible... The ex-ex-CDF was a LG from RSAF => Bey Soo Khiang.Originally posted by kaka_22:errmm off-topic.... issit possible for a vice-admiral or Lt-Gen from rasf be the CDF??
Navy-wise, should be possible also theoretically. -
COA MG Desmond Quek is a very likely candidate to be the next CDF right?
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Could be..But go and make a guess on the next COA..He might not be who you guys expect, IMHO.Originally posted by Gordonator:COA MG Desmond Quek is a very likely candidate to be the next CDF right? -
any clues?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Could be..But go and make a guess on the next COA..He might not be who you guys expect, IMHO. -
It should be the current Chief Of Armour..BG..(forgot his name..)Originally posted by LazerLordz:Could be..But go and make a guess on the next COA..He might not be who you guys expect, IMHO.
I'm quite sure of it since the from all the SAFOS talks I've been to, it has been quite obvious it will be him.. -
hmmm.. as in he's always the one giving the talks?Originally posted by CKtalon:It should be the current Chief Of Armour..BG..(forgot his name..)
I'm quite sure of it since the from all the SAFOS talks I've been to, it has been quite obvious it will be him..
Wonder if it'll ever be possible again to have a non-SAFOS CDF or service chief, or for that matter, a non-SAFOS BG after all the current old guard BGs retire. -
yup...and whenever I see the COA in posters/PIONEER giving away prizes..I see the CAO just somewhere beside him..
I think it's impossible..There are now early 30s LTCs, COLs SAFOS scholars..most prob they will be the next gen's Chiefs..
Some like 1GUARDS, 4SIRs' COs.. -
CO 1st Guards is also a dual track Administrative Officer.He might be pulled out for Civil Service posting before having a chance to be CDF.
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I certainly hope these SAFOS scholars are up to the job..
After all, the main selection criteria is still academic results. Does having 3 S-paper distinctions make one a better officer than another with less than stellar academic results?
Look at it another way, does a relative lack of educational qualifications make one unsuitable to hold top positions in the army? That's obviously the thinking now, that's why we have the career schemes A, B and C, for the scholars, non-scholar graduates and the non-graduates respectively.
That's also why we'll never see a non-SAFOS become a service chief, no matter how well his military performance has been. -
Chief Armour Officer is BG Bernard Tan, a 1985 president and SAFOS Scholar. After returning from studies, he was a PC holding CPT rank in 46SAR back in the early 90s. He was made CO of 40SAR during the 1995 intake. He did a RECON 2B for the unit's first ATEC. MAJ Wong Ann Chai, his successor also another scholar did well to scored RECON 1 for unit's second ATEC.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:hmmm.. as in he's always the one giving the talks?
Wonder if it'll ever be possible again to have a non-SAFOS CDF or service chief, or for that matter, a non-SAFOS BG after all the current old guard BGs retire.
He was made CAO when MG Desmond Kwek became COA. While BG Ong Boon Hwee already retired, he might be the most prominent one to take over COA position. -
Bernard Tan? He was in charge of public affairs for MINDEF for quite a long while wasn't he?Originally posted by flash9933:Chief Armour Officer is BG Bernard Tan, a 1985 president and SAFOS Scholar. After returning from studies, he was a PC holding CPT rank in 46SAR back in the early 90s. He was made CO of 40SAR during the 1995 intake. He did a RECON 2B for the unit's first ATEC. MAJ Wong Ann Chai, his successor also another scholar did well to scored RECON 1 for unit's second ATEC.
He was made CAO when MG Desmond Kwek became COA. While BG Ong Boon Hwee already retired, he might be the most prominent one to take over COA position. -
Well I feel they are up to the mark in terms of policy making (in the SAF) and tactics wise..About them being able to lead a war maybe another question..since SAF ain't tried and tested anyway..Originally posted by cornyfish2000:I certainly hope these SAFOS scholars are up to the job..
After all, the main selection criteria is still academic results. Does having 3 S-paper distinctions make one a better officer than another with less than stellar academic results?
Look at it another way, does a relative lack of educational qualifications make one unsuitable to hold top positions in the army? That's obviously the thinking now, that's why we have the career schemes A, B and C, for the scholars, non-scholar graduates and the non-graduates respectively.
That's also why we'll never see a non-SAFOS become a service chief, no matter how well his military performance has been.
These SAFOS scholars had to show they were one of the best cadets during their 10+ weeks in OCS before they would be awarded the SAFOS scholarship..
And there's extra exercises to assess these scholars-to-be..Basically stressing them out mentally and physically to see if they really can make it or just wayang-ers.. -
Well, the management would already have identified the people they want based on the academic results (and to a certain extent, ECA) even before these people step out of BMTC.Originally posted by CKtalon:These SAFOS scholars had to show they were one of the best cadets during their 10+ weeks in OCS before they would be awarded the SAFOS scholarship..
And there's extra exercises to assess these scholars-to-be..Basically stressing them out mentally and physically to see if they really can make it or just wayang-ers..
That's why we have Delta wing where they put all the peeps they want.. and that's why u hardly (if ever) see any SAFOS who wasn't from Delta. Cos basically, your fate is sealed even before u step into OCS. Without the 2 S-paper distinctions, u can be SOH-material in Sierra or Foxtrot, for all they care.
As for the 'extra' assessment in OCS, it's really just to weed out the few who are really incapable of command and control, rather than to select the best to receive the scolarship lor.. I had an ex-BMT platoon mate who got SAFOS even though he only got a B average for his ST1. So much for being the best..
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Pray tell who's your BMT mate?Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Well, the management would already have identified the people they want based on the academic results (and to a certain extent, ECA) even before these people step out of BMTC.
That's why we have Delta wing where they put all the peeps they want.. and that's why u hardly (if ever) see any SAFOS who wasn't from Delta. Cos basically, your fate is sealed even before u step into OCS.
As for the 'extra' assessment in OCS, it's really just to weed out the few who are really incapable of command and control, rather than to select the best to receive the scolarship lor.. I had an ex-BMT platoon mate who got SAFOS even though he only got a B average for his ST1. So much for being the best..
In our army, paper qualifications are still everything (well, almost).
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Uh, that wouldn't be very nice would it?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Pray tell who's your BMT mate?
I'm saying all this cos i've seen too many good and deserving officers left on the slow track, all due to a relative lack in educational qualifications. -
Not forgetting commander 2PDFOriginally posted by Master -_-:reminds me... how many stars are there in saf? let's list it out
CDF = Chief Defence Force
COA = Chief of Army
CNV = Chief of Navy
CAF = Chief of Airforce
OCAT = Dunno whats this.. but the commander is 1 star
TRADOC = Tradoc Commander
CAO = Chief Armour Officer
CGO = Chief Guards Officer
Comdt SAFTI
FSA = Future Systems Architect
Carmo = He got star already?
Commander PLAB
What else?
I have saw him in person before -
2 PDF? Isn't it COL Lee Ee Beck?
Next Monday, DFST intake. Delta is scholar batch with only 2 platoons. 2 SUPER WHITE HORSES but i ain't telling -
2 platoons only? last year there were 3!...
Let's guess Teo Chee Hian's son and hmm..
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are u still in Delta or posted out already?Originally posted by CKtalon:2 platoons only? last year there were 3!...
Let's guess Teo Chee Hian's son and hmm.. 
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both CDF and COA came down my camp today, for different occasion though.
COA came down for range.