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the number of factors such as:Originally posted by will4:How do the MO determined the kind of medication the NS personnel taking will justify a medical baord?
comparsion of current and previous medication dosage and frequency
any notes of side effects and complications
improvement/ worsening psychological disorder
present health of mental state
...etc.
as mention, individual doctor will just note down the factors and any treatment plan, and it is up to his own discretion to whether or not to submit your medical case for medical board to discuss your case with senior doctors e.g. medical board chairman, he can also consult other specialists in the field in the govt hospitals and any senior saf regular specialists in the field... -
I have a flat foot condition. I do not know how serious it will be classified as, but everytime i go running, my feet will hurt. And when i walk out of the swimming pool and see my footsteps, they are totally full foot prints, with no visible arch. When i went to the CGH podiatrist, she told me to take off my slippers and from her desk, she said " wow your foot is really flat, i can already see it from here". Yet later when i asked if it will affect my PES status, or if i could get a downgrade (im PES A now. I didnt mention flat foot during CMPB check), she said "NOPE". The thing is i also have knee problems (cartilage is wearing out) and im wondering if its related to my flat feet. The podiatrist prescribed insoles for me. But im worried about IPPT. Can anyone help me?
Sorry i posted again here cos i dont know which is the right thread for it. Pardon me please. -
hi. my medical appointment for enlistment in next monday. i'm wondering if i will still be liable for pes BP even though my doctor has stated that i'm not fit for combat duties due to my fractured elbow in 2000 and my dislocated right shoulder in 2003.
doctor also advised that i need to operate on my right shoulder either before or during my army time as i'm currently still doing my poly diploma.
recently my blood pressure record is 140/92. i'm not too sure if it's considered mild high blood and if it will affect pes status.
would also like to know what would be my most likeliest pes status? my doctor said i should be C9L2 the most and the least is C9L9 but just wanna confirm so that i won't be under any illusions for a relaxed army life
also, i'm currently studying game programming in poly. i wonder if i can try asking for a programmer job rather than being a clerk and zuo bo lan.
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Try to get your doctor to write about your condition which you can submit to the MO during your medical checkup.Originally posted by zenorian:hi. my medical appointment for enlistment in next monday. i'm wondering if i will still be liable for pes BP even though my doctor has stated that i'm not fit for combat duties due to my fractured elbow in 2000 and my dislocated right shoulder in 2003.
doctor also advised that i need to operate on my right shoulder either before or during my army time as i'm currently still doing my poly diploma.
recently my blood pressure record is 140/92. i'm not too sure if it's considered mild high blood and if it will affect pes status.
would also like to know what would be my most likeliest pes status? my doctor said i should be C9L2 the most and the least is C9L9 but just wanna confirm so that i won't be under any illusions for a relaxed army life
also, i'm currently studying game programming in poly. i wonder if i can try asking for a programmer job rather than being a clerk and zuo bo lan.
Operate during army, it saves money since all cost will be covered
SAF does not look at your education background to post you for vocations. Almsot all if not all drivers do not have driving licences, almost all mechanical or automobile students are not sent to be mechanics etc. If your sholder prevents you from heavy load then some PES C vocations such as mechanics, storeman etc you might be excused so besides clerk, i can't think of what else might be available at the moment. -
thanks for the speedy reply
i was quite worried there wouldnt be any reply. haha. oh i see. my doctor did write about my medical condition. so that's more or less settled
um i still don't know with my current medical condition am i still liable for pes BP?
i have a driving license. not too sure if they'll post me for driving vocation.
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Most prob will not be BP if your doctor recommends a C, it will depend on what the MO feels so most prob you will get a temp PES D for them to decide on your final PES status before you get the final 1.Originally posted by zenorian:thanks for the speedy reply i was quite worried there wouldnt be any reply. haha. oh i see. my doctor did write about my medical condition. so that's more or less settled
um i still don't know with my current medical condition am i still liable for pes BP?
i have a driving license. not too sure if they'll post me for driving vocation.
From what i know, all those with driving license already will NOT get posted to be a driver. SAF only sents people who can't drive to be a driver. As mention, SAF does not look at your skills or what you know, they seem to prefer to throw people who has the least experience/interest into those vocations that requires skills or skills already obtained in the civilian world... -
whoa. okay. thanks alot for the informative replies.
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oh man i just gotten C1L1 which means i need to chiong sua? but my doc's letter already put me to be excused from using my upper limbs. which brings to my next few questions for C1L1.
1.) do i still need to carry heavy equipments and stuffs like that?
2.) what duties do i have to perform for C1L1 since i'm suppose to be excused from using my upper limbs.
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Hmm, when you go BMT, bring your doctor's letters etc to the MO there and ask them for a perm excuse upper limb if they are willing to give and also maybe an excuse heavy load if your shoulder cannot take it.Originally posted by zenorian:oh man i just gotten C1L1 which means i need to chiong sua? but my doc's letter already put me to be excused from using my upper limbs. which brings to my next few questions for C1L1.
1.) do i still need to carry heavy equipments and stuffs like that?
2.) what duties do i have to perform for C1L1 since i'm suppose to be excused from using my upper limbs.
Unless you can get an excuse heavy load, you might still be required to carry heavy loads.
The type of duty depends, if you are eligible for range, you can still do guard duty as the rifle is sling on not hand carried during duty. If you are excuse range then it will depend on your unit to still sent you for guard duty carry baton and shield or duty clerk. Duties normally varies with unit and the type and number of manpower they have so its hard to be sure of anything until we know what unit and which camp you are posted to.
If you can get excuse heavy load and excuse upper limb permanent, most prob you will be excused from combat vocations and service side i think only service medic and clerk might be open to you or maybe the small arms division of MES. Laserlord might know more whether small arms will take you since he was a small arms mech. -
oh shit man. that means my bloody MO smoked me. he said don't need to do shooting and all. that bastard. i even told him my doctor said he's not sure my arm can take the recoil of a gun. and i even said can't do heavy loads on my arms.
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I think the next time you cna do a medical review is during BMT. Bring all your supporting documents to tekong and go see the MO there to explain your problems and request for the neccesssary excuses which now seems like will need include excuse firearms as well.Originally posted by zenorian:oh shit man. that means my bloody MO smoked me. he said don't need to do shooting and all. that bastard. i even told him my doctor said he's not sure my arm can take the recoil of a gun. and i even said can't do heavy loads on my arms.
is it possible that i can do another review again to down pes?
PES C1L1 is the most useless of the PES C so you better get the perm excuses once you get into tekong and if you really feel the need, can even ask the MO there whether you are really suited for C1L1 or can you downgrade further.
Anyway, i'm not a 'medical' specialist for humans... Those who are more knowledgable in this area are not around for some reason or ignoring this forum so all the advice and info i can give is what i know or guess but i can't give you any confirmation on everything as how the medical board side works is not something i know. -
C1L1 is the most useless? what do you mean by that?
crap man. if possible can i do a re-review again? i don't wanna go in and come out all mangled with fresh injuries. -
C1L1 in a way has no excuses at all. Its just a PES C so you go for a shorter BMT but go for everything since its things like C2 that excuse IPPT, L3 that excuse outfield, C9 thats thats almsot a PES E already. C1 is in a way very close to a PES B.Originally posted by zenorian:C1L1 is the most useless? what do you mean by that?
crap man. if possible can i do a re-review again? i don't wanna go in and come out all mangled with fresh injuries.
Unless the MO has given you any excuses together with the PES C, its not going to help much. What you can do is as i mentioned earlier, bring all your medical documents to tekong and request to go MO for a medical review to ask the MO give you the required excuses.
Its really not worth getting yourself injuried for just 2 yrs of NS. I know someone who damn garang wanted PES A so can go OCS and never declare his injuries. End up got PES A, go tekong worsen his injuries, didn't get into OCS of couse and now pending downgrade... -
i see. but let's say i want to go for re-review again before going into tekong can i do that? i called my specialist. he was shocked also. he said he'll help me fight for downgrade. but i don't know if i can do a re-review before going into tekong.
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I don't think you can since it can be done when you enlisted by going tekong MO. CMPB MO not the first time anyhow give status and made people suffer. My time got 1 guy CMPB give PES B but he first day go in already fall sick and first training he injuried himself again. Less than 1 week he got OOT and i think after medical review, got downgrade to PES C9 or E.Originally posted by zenorian:i see. but let's say i want to go for re-review again before going into tekong can i do that? i called my specialist. he was shocked also. he said he'll help me fight for downgrade. but i don't know if i can do a re-review before going into tekong.
I don't think your problem is serious enough to get a PES E so regardless you will still have to go for PES C BMT so it won't make that much of a difference since regardless PES C1 or C9, everyone goes for the same BMT but are excuse from the activities their status excuses them from. -
i see. and i don't really wish to get pes E either o.O heard it isn't good for future next time when u're working. but what i'm worried is i have to carry heavy loads in which my shoulder will definitely give way to the weight of the bag. and furthermore. i don't wish to get my shoulder popped out by the recoil of the gun. and also my elbow can only bend in halfway and not fully inwards. i don't want to risk my own future for the army man.
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Don't worry, you will normally be able to request to go see MO on your 2nd day in tekong. You will have to tahan the first day where you have to carry your civilian bag and your issued duffle bag n field pack filled with all your army stuff. That won't be light i though but i guess its unavoidable.Originally posted by zenorian:i see. and i don't really wish to get pes E either o.O heard it isn't good for future next time when u're working. but what i'm worried is i have to carry heavy loads in which my shoulder will definitely give way to the weight of the bag. and furthermore. i don't wish to get my shoulder popped out by the recoil of the gun. and also my elbow can only bend in halfway and not fully inwards. i don't want to risk my own future for the army man.
Route march, range etc won't happen till at late first week or second week so you should have already seen the MO. As long as your specialist has letters to prove your case, even if the MO does not give you a permanent excuse, he should give you a temporary excuse while he reconfirms your status etc. -
oooh okay. well all the best to me then. thanks for all the help. i know it's been quite troublesome with all my questions. thanks!
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i've bn downgraded to pes c2l2 recently as ive got flatfoot and also gout. Anyway ive orded 4 quite a while.i was pes b during active time. 4 all those going 2 ns soon, pls consider ur health 1st then can think of wat vocations. I knew i had prob wif my feet but was stubborn enuf, tot i can handle and tough,nvr c doc or spec.. Now my feet is killing me,i cant even walk for long distances and they get sore n swollen evrytime,the custom made soles dun help much. Dun help in my work also.if i didn't wake up n finally c a spec,my feet will be more worse.
But i dun undestand is that i've been charged 4 not taking ippt even though ive been downgraded.my unit says its becos of my ns liability or something,am eligible 2 take rt/ippt. Then wats the purpose of dwngrading then. Damn! [/quote] -
you can do it one, it's mind over body. the SAF has moulded a solid mentality into you in your 2 years, just go for the ippt and tell yourself you are a warrior and your feet is your chariot!Originally posted by jugganotz:i've bn downgraded to pes c2l2 recently as ive got flatfoot and also gout. Anyway ive orded 4 quite a while.i was pes b during active time. 4 all those going 2 ns soon, pls consider ur health 1st then can think of wat vocations. I knew i had prob wif my feet but was stubborn enuf, tot i can handle and tough,nvr c doc or spec.. Now my feet is killing me,i cant even walk for long distances and they get sore n swollen evrytime,the custom made soles dun help much. Dun help in my work also.if i didn't wake up n finally c a spec,my feet will be more worse.
But i dun undestand is that i've been charged 4 not taking ippt even though ive been downgraded.my unit says its becos of my ns liability or something,am eligible 2 take rt/ippt. Then wats the purpose of dwngrading then. Damn! [/quote]
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Freedom figher, stop your crap especially in something like this. Spam your threads if you want but not talk nonsense when people are genuinely asking for PROPER adviceOriginally posted by Freedom Fighter:you can do it one, it's mind over body. the SAF has moulded a solid mentality into you in your 2 years, just go for the ippt and tell yourself you are a warrior and your feet is your chariot!
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just fax over ur downgrade letter. pes c2l2 perm and below need NOT take ippt 4ever. only pes c1 group still take ippt, but excuse up to 2 static stations.Originally posted by jugganotz:i've bn downgraded to pes c2l2 recently as ive got flatfoot and also gout. Anyway ive orded 4 quite a while.i was pes b during active time. 4 all those going 2 ns soon, pls consider ur health 1st then can think of wat vocations. I knew i had prob wif my feet but was stubborn enuf, tot i can handle and tough,nvr c doc or spec.. Now my feet is killing me,i cant even walk for long distances and they get sore n swollen evrytime,the custom made soles dun help much. Dun help in my work also.if i didn't wake up n finally c a spec,my feet will be more worse.
But i dun undestand is that i've been charged 4 not taking ippt even though ive been downgraded.my unit says its becos of my ns liability or something,am eligible 2 take rt/ippt. Then wats the purpose of dwngrading then. Damn! [/quote] -
ya lor... maybe he is just another stooky clone. hahaOriginally posted by dkcx:Freedom figher, stop your crap especially in something like this. Spam your threads if you want but not talk nonsense when people are genuinely asking for PROPER advice
anyway, lets cut off his penis... then see how he satisfies a girl traditionally with his thinking of "mind over body part". -
haha if i can do it i wouldn't be in this state. I've served my ns dutifully and now i onjy care for my health. Wats the need 2 siao on during ippt when u know u cant pass. And would you pay me my salary if im unable to work just because of 1 day of ippt or rt.Anyway thx 4 the advice ppl. Still have 2 report my unit man 2 answer charge which i still dun get it as they say i've downgraded and no need 2 take ippt but bcos of ns liability or something.
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eac: Nice to see someone else in here besides me. Thought everyone else forgets about this sticky thread... Anyway, for the sake of S'pore, i'll say we spare his little bro, we need more production However should he need help in future, lets just remind him of his mind over matter theory.
jugganotz: When you go to answer charge, hear what they have to say and see how to go about it. If you are already downgraded and do not require you to take IPPT, they can't force you. You can also write to straits times forum and that will force MINDEF to give you a proper answer. Thats the fastest way since they will want to protect their image Going through proper channel in the army will never get things done...