PES FAQs @ "No Hospital Specialist Memo, No Talk?!"
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Ehs a little confused. How do they classify which status are you? Based on your NAPFA results and health check up? Is it possible for one to be in PES A yet failing NAPFA (Bronze)?
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Yes you can be PES A and fail IPPT. PES grading is base on your medical health and not your physical fitness. As long as you have no medical problems at all you will be PES A.Originally posted by tootkiaz:Ehs a little confused. How do they classify which status are you? Based on your NAPFA results and health check up? Is it possible for one to be in PES A yet failing NAPFA (Bronze)? -
I've been diagnosed with a meniscus tear and also a ligament strain. I've also been posted as a RP in some classified unit in nee soon camp. The RSM there do not want me as an RP as he can't deploy me due to my knee problem.
The question i wanna ask is whether i can be posted to other camps as my current unit requires me to walk 2.2km (from google earth) up hill from the nee soon camp main gate.
I've not down pes as i'm still awaiting review of my mri by my specialist. So if my specialist says i can't walk for that much distance, will i be posted to other camp and be revocated? -
Thanks! Having some trouble getting Silver.Originally posted by dkcx:Yes you can be PES A and fail IPPT. PES grading is base on your medical health and not your physical fitness. As long as you have no medical problems at all you will be PES A. Means there would be hope of going OCS afterall? -
You can train while in tekong. There were failures in my platoon who managed to pass their IPPT before BMT and go SISPEC/OCS.Originally posted by tootkiaz:Thanks! Having some trouble getting Silver. Means there would be hope of going OCS afterall? -
Nee soon classified, supply unit? I think i got a friend there.Originally posted by WP_:I've been diagnosed with a meniscus tear and also a ligament strain. I've also been posted as a RP in some classified unit in nee soon camp. The RSM there do not want me as an RP as he can't deploy me due to my knee problem.
The question i wanna ask is whether i can be posted to other camps as my current unit requires me to walk 2.2km (from google earth) up hill from the nee soon camp main gate.
I've not down pes as i'm still awaiting review of my mri by my specialist. So if my specialist says i can't walk for that much distance, will i be posted to other camp and be revocated?
Anyway, if you can get your specialist to give you a letter to say you are not suitable for RP type of duty, you can be revocated.
Posting to other camps or revocation just because the RSM don't want you or you can't walk the distance is not likely unless you can prove to the MO that staying in the camp will affect your injury and convince him to revocate you. -
while waiting for the specialist review and the possible posting out, u can try to suggest to ur rsm/officer-in-charge to see if they can arrange for an internal transfer (attach out) you temporarily within any units in nee soon camp.Originally posted by dkcx:Nee soon classified, supply unit? I think i got a friend there.
Anyway, if you can get your specialist to give you a letter to say you are not suitable for RP type of duty, you can be revocated.
Posting to other camps or revocation just because the RSM don't want you or you can't walk the distance is not likely unless you can prove to the MO that staying in the camp will affect your injury and convince him to revocate you.
can be done... e.g. in my ns time, got such arrangment as CPL X from HQ coy is attach out to SUPPORT coy for 2 months... for whatever use u may be to the attach unit. e.g. clerical duties... etc. -
PES is based on PULHHEEMSOriginally posted by tootkiaz:Thanks! Having some trouble getting Silver. Means there would be hope of going OCS afterall?
FYI
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Good to see finally someone who knows the medical stuff here. I'm not a human medical specialist so i would say better for me to return to my fleet of vehicles :p
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Isnt BMT = Tekong?Originally posted by dkcx:You can train while in tekong. There were failures in my platoon who managed to pass their IPPT before BMT and go SISPEC/OCS. -
ok typo, should be during BMT not before BMT but there are a few people who can pass IPPT but they purposely don't take it and go for PTP instead of BMT since the PTP schedule is less tight compared to BMT which everything is super pack and rushed. 1 of such guys was my sectionmate.Originally posted by tootkiaz:Isnt BMT = Tekong? -
HI guys, just to check. Did anyone here ever being compensated for service injury? I want to know how long did you wait till you got the payment?
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u will receive another letter within 3 months after getting the official medical board result letter. it will state the amount payable by NSHRC branch of MINDEF and the date to be credited to the IBG bank account which u maintained to get the nsf monthly allowance.Originally posted by unhappyliao:HI guys, just to check. Did anyone here ever being compensated for service injury? I want to know how long did you wait till you got the payment?
now, u will also get the service injury card (same size and plastic like ur nric) for the free medical benefits and the bill be billed to mindef for treatments at govt polyclinics/hospitals. -
Hi
I'm here to ask for advice and opinions on the problems I'm facing now. Thank you in advance to whoever can help me.
I've shin pain after running since BMT but simply endure through it thinking that it's the usual muscle soreness. However, after entering OCS and a 5km run that resulted in the same pain but with higher intensity and longer duration, I was out of coursed on a visit to the medical centre. The MO diagnosed me with 'Bilateral Medial Tibial Stess Syndrome (MTSS)', which after some 'googling' on my own, I realised what it was. An overused injury that with rest, I had a chance of recoursing for the next batch.
In addition, I was refered to AH's Sports Medicine which the specialist there confirmed my condition and enforced the 2 months excused RMJ given by the MO. He referred me to the physiotherapist. Also, he informed me that my feet overpronation was causing and aggravating my condition and prescribed me special insoles to wear.
During the first session of therapy, she evaluated me and informed that my injury was quite bad and that my overpronation is not that good either, to which I think she meant the severity. After the deep friction massage, she told me that I had naturally tight muscles as well which also contributed to my injury and taught me several stretching exercises.
Then, during later sessions, she had asked me to run to evaluated my recovery on the treadmill. At 5 minutes into the run, I would start to feel ache and tightness in my left leg of the calfs and the anterior muscles. Numbness would set in after 5 minutes and I would be told to stop. Twice this has happened and I could only run/jog for 10 minutes max. On thinking back, this was the same sensation, apart from the pain after the run, that I also felt when I embarked on that fateful 5 km run. She told me that I might have compartment syndrome on hearing my complains about the ache and numbness in addition to the pain from the MTSS after the run. This was later verified by her in massage sessions.
At the latest specialist review, he told me that I do have compartment syndrome and that my MTSS was not easing. He refused to allow me to recourse OCS, gave me a memo to pass to the MO asking for 3 more months of excuse RMK as well as a podiatrist referral letter!
After checking out what was 'Chronic Exertional Left Anterior Compartment Syndrome' as stated by the specialist when I got home, I was thinking I might as well be down PES-ed because, what I read online, an invasive surgery would be the only effective and rapid treatment while conventional treatment (conditioning, strengthening, slow easing back into exercise but ultimately rigorous exercise would have to be given up) would take longer time and not 100% effective. On passing the memo to the MO during FFI, I was deemed unfit and given the 3 months excused RMJ.
What I'm worried about now is that because my eligibility for recourse has been taken from me, I've heard that might just be posted out to Combat Medics or Combat Signallers anytime, which I find ridiculous because I'll just be out of course all the same and waste more time as an OOC, albeit of another course. Apart from feeling saddened at being unable to go through OCS, I now worry for my legs as well.
Currently, I'm set for more physiotherapy, a podiatry review at end of December and the sports medicine specialist review at end January. If I can recover, that would be great and I'll just take it as fate that OCS is not for me. However, if I am supposed to or eligible for down pes, I'll be able to retain the current job that I enjoy, seeing that my superior too would like to retain me if the chance offers.
I don't know whether the articles I've read online are reliable or that I've interpreted them properly, or that my injuries don't warrant a down pes. That's why I'm posting my problem here because I want to know if I should push for a down pes with the specialist(s) help.
I hope this post is not too long because I've been feeling frustrated for the medical personnel that I'm seeing are not giving me chance to voice my concerns and ask for answers. -
This is a really long post. The medical side i can't say much, hopefully eac can when hes around. Not sure what are your exact queries with the lack of ? but i'll try base on what i know which can be wrong sometimes though.Originally posted by stoopidedz:Hi
I'm here to ask for advice and opinions on the problems I'm facing now. Thank you in advance to whoever can help me.
I've shin pain after running since BMT but simply endure through it thinking that it's the usual muscle soreness. However, after entering OCS and a 5km run that resulted in the same pain but with higher intensity and longer duration, I was out of coursed on a visit to the medical centre. The MO diagnosed me with 'Bilateral Medial Tibial Stess Syndrome (MTSS)', which after some 'googling' on my own, I realised what it was. An overused injury that with rest, I had a chance of recoursing for the next batch.
In addition, I was refered to AH's Sports Medicine which the specialist there confirmed my condition and enforced the 2 months excused RMJ given by the MO. He referred me to the physiotherapist. Also, he informed me that my feet overpronation was causing and aggravating my condition and prescribed me special insoles to wear.
During the first session of therapy, she evaluated me and informed that my injury was quite bad and that my overpronation is not that good either, to which I think she meant the severity. After the deep friction massage, she told me that I had naturally tight muscles as well which also contributed to my injury and taught me several stretching exercises.
Then, during later sessions, she had asked me to run to evaluated my recovery on the treadmill. At 5 minutes into the run, I would start to feel ache and tightness in my left leg of the calfs and the anterior muscles. Numbness would set in after 5 minutes and I would be told to stop. Twice this has happened and I could only run/jog for 10 minutes max. On thinking back, this was the same sensation, apart from the pain after the run, that I also felt when I embarked on that fateful 5 km run. She told me that I might have compartment syndrome on hearing my complains about the ache and numbness in addition to the pain from the MTSS after the run. This was later verified by her in massage sessions.
At the latest specialist review, he told me that I do have compartment syndrome and that my MTSS was not easing. He refused to allow me to recourse OCS, gave me a memo to pass to the MO asking for 3 more months of excuse RMK as well as a podiatrist referral letter!
After checking out what was 'Chronic Exertional Left Anterior Compartment Syndrome' as stated by the specialist when I got home, I was thinking I might as well be down PES-ed because, what I read online, an invasive surgery would be the only effective and rapid treatment while conventional treatment (conditioning, strengthening, slow easing back into exercise but ultimately rigorous exercise would have to be given up) would take longer time and not 100% effective. On passing the memo to the MO during FFI, I was deemed unfit and given the 3 months excused RMJ.
What I'm worried about now is that because my eligibility for recourse has been taken from me, I've heard that might just be posted out to Combat Medics or Combat Signallers anytime, which I find ridiculous because I'll just be out of course all the same and waste more time as an OOC, albeit of another course. Apart from feeling saddened at being unable to go through OCS, I now worry for my legs as well.
Currently, I'm set for more physiotherapy, a podiatry review at end of December and the sports medicine specialist review at end January. If I can recover, that would be great and I'll just take it as fate that OCS is not for me. However, if I am supposed to or eligible for down pes, I'll be able to retain the current job that I enjoy, seeing that my superior too would like to retain me if the chance offers.
I don't know whether the articles I've read online are reliable or that I've interpreted them properly, or that my injuries don't warrant a down pes. That's why I'm posting my problem here because I want to know if I should push for a down pes with the specialist(s) help.
I hope this post is not too long because I've been feeling frustrated for the medical personnel that I'm seeing are not giving me chance to voice my concerns and ask for answers.
As long as you are not eligible for recourse, they will post you out but to where its hard to say. Its hard for them to keep you whether you get revocated or down PES unless some big shot there is going to talk to CPC and revocate you as a clerk or whatever and post you there.
If you want to down PES and do not want to go into a combat vocation which might affect your problem, talk to your specialist to prepare a letter saying you are unfit for combat vocations and get the MO to declare you unfit for combat so you can be posted to logistic vocations where the need to run etc is much lower.
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Well, my questions and their anwsers actually affect each other. Firstly, I need to know whether my condition warrants a down pes so that i can take the next step and ask for help in retaining my current position. Also, I was looking for a second opinion on my medical condition, especially when the one I have to see seems more bothered to finish the paper work and get me out of the office.
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I'm no MO so you'll have to see whether eac has anything to say about the medical issues but as i mentioned, the possibility of staying in your current position is low unless a high ranking officer can talk to CPC to post you there. Each unit has a specific estab for the number of personel they have so i won't say the hopes are high unless your side happens to have some clerk or whatever ORD and your unit can try put you as that person's replacement.Originally posted by stoopidedz:Well, my questions and their anwsers actually affect each other. Firstly, I need to know whether my condition warrants a down pes so that i can take the next step and ask for help in retaining my current position. Also, I was looking for a second opinion on my medical condition, especially when the one I have to see seems more bothered to finish the paper work and get me out of the office.
I would say that if your specialist recommends a down PES there is a very high chance you will get it as often medical board will accept specialist's recommendations. If your specialist do not feel you can downgrade then theres little hope for a downgrade in my opinion. -
other medical and medical-related personnel, pls chip in more details too...Originally posted by stoopidedz:Well, my questions and their anwsers actually affect each other. Firstly, I need to know whether my condition warrants a down pes so that i can take the next step and ask for help in retaining my current position. Also, I was looking for a second opinion on my medical condition, especially when the one I have to see seems more bothered to finish the paper work and get me out of the office.
yes, it warrants a downgrade, but u didn't get a specific letter/memo to the saf mo that states the important wordings of "in view of his medical conditions, please downgrade the patient accordingly." 99% of all downgrade cases depend on such similiar wordings. with such extended excuses, most of the time even for downgrade is temp downgrade for a few months. this will help u to stay in ur present vocation.
cos this condition as stated, it will improve with physio conditioning. for a perm downgrade, maybe when ord time then schedule u for a perm downgrade medical board. (a similiar case i saw is this guy with "runners's knee" condition, temp downgrade review every 3 months... only with ord time then given the perm status.)
as for retaining ur present temp vocation, all u have to do is to persuade an officer/encik to speak to and with a recommendation letter/ OA email to ur unit manpower branch's chief clerk/ s1 officer to retain u... the chief clerk / manpower officer have the right to retain u with recommendations as it is the liaison department between the unit and the mindef CPC. -
He is currently not really having a proper vocation since OOT personnel in training schools normally will be posted out since he is confirmed to be unable to recourse for OCS due to his problems.
Can S1 really keep a person if they already have enough people in the unit estab? I think my side got people who were posted to other units even though some did stay and became clerks in S1 branch when they had to be revocated for medical reasons but that was because we had a few ORD clerks and new replacement weren't arriving soon enough. -
u have half answered ur own question liao.Originally posted by dkcx:He is currently not really having a proper vocation since OOT personnel in training schools normally will be posted out since he is confirmed to be unable to recourse for OCS due to his problems.
Can S1 really keep a person if they already have enough people in the unit estab? I think my side got people who were posted to other units even though some did stay and became clerks in S1 branch when they had to be revocated for medical reasons but that was because we had a few ORD clerks and new replacement weren't arriving soon enough.
s1 and chief clerk have the power to retain people, but of cos should no vacancies left, then no choice post out and its usually post out within the formation. e.g. within the guards formation (battalion to hq/div level).
should cpc handle all man power issues even at ground level, whats the use of the s1 branch then.... haha -
He is in a training school so thats not really a formation where he can be posted within the formation since there really isn't 1 so isn't posting out more likely unless of cos hes lucky enough to have a vacancy.Originally posted by eac:u have half answered ur own question liao.
s1 and chief clerk have the power to retain people, but of cos should no vacancies left, then no choice post out and its usually post out within the formation. e.g. within the guards formation (battalion to hq/div level).
should cpc handle all man power issues even at ground level, whats the use of the s1 branch then.... haha
I do not know OCS structure but i think hes more helping out than really doing any vocational work so unless theres an estab for clerk or something he can be posted to, even if his officers want him, i don't think they can keep him unless there is an estab for him to be place under. -
As far as I remember, OCS has SSU, which is School Support Unit. They have a lot of clerks and logisticians.Originally posted by dkcx:He is in a training school so thats not really a formation where he can be posted within the formation since there really isn't 1 so isn't posting out more likely unless of cos hes lucky enough to have a vacancy.
I do not know OCS structure but i think hes more helping out than really doing any vocational work so unless theres an estab for clerk or something he can be posted to, even if his officers want him, i don't think they can keep him unless there is an estab for him to be place under.
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Thank you for the replies.
What I suspect now is that the specialist is bidding his time in hopes that in 2 months time, the physiotherapy would do its job. Also, he would be looking for the Podiatry review as well...
dkcx is right in saying that I'm just helping out (though on a side note, I'm so laden with work I should be given perm status -_-) in the branch. The system here is, only if you're recoursing that would you be placed in HQ to help out until you're back at the course. Unless you're down-ed PES to C, you'll be posted out if not slated for recourse. I've seen that happened and the notice only came 3 days before having to report to the new unit. The panic that arose from there was as if someone set fire to their pants.
So should I bring forward the appointment and ask the specialist to draft the letter, though I think this would be too arrogant of me? Or should I ask my superiors to let them know that I would be getting a down PES and if they're happy with me staying, help me not get posted out for the time being (because I'm PES B + EX RMJ only) while I wait for my next specialist review at which I would broach the subject? I'm also thinking of asking my physiotherapist on my chances of recovery and what I can do about my current situation since she's more conversational inclined. -
If i didn't remember wrong, you mentioned that you do not qualify for recourse so if that is so, keeping quiet will get you revocated and posted out.Originally posted by stoopidedz:Thank you for the replies.
What I suspect now is that the specialist is bidding his time in hopes that in 2 months time, the physiotherapy would do its job. Also, he would be looking for the Podiatry review as well...
dkcx is right in saying that I'm just helping out (though on a side note, I'm so laden with work I should be given perm status -_-) in the branch. The system here is, only if you're recoursing that would you be placed in HQ to help out until you're back at the course. Unless you're down-ed PES to C, you'll be posted out if not slated for recourse. I've seen that happened and the notice only came 3 days before having to report to the new unit. The panic that arose from there was as if someone set fire to their pants.
So should I bring forward the appointment and ask the specialist to draft the letter, though I think this would be too arrogant of me? Or should I ask my superiors to let them know that I would be getting a down PES and if they're happy with me staying, help me not get posted out for the time being (because I'm PES B + EX RMJ only) while I wait for my next specialist review at which I would broach the subject? I'm also thinking of asking my physiotherapist on my chances of recovery and what I can do about my current situation since she's more conversational inclined.
Is there any clerk etc vocation at where you are? If there is none then theres no way you can be kept with them since there is no estab for you. If there is 1, you can check with the the likelihood of them being able to keep you since such things are more between the officers and how they want to handle it.
Get as much information as you can about your condition and also do reconsider whether you really want to recourse in OCS if the specialist say you might be able to recover since the tough training might caused the injury to reoccur or even get worse. Its not worth it to cause any serious injury on yourself for 2 years NS as some injuries are for life.
If its inevitable that you have to post out sooner or later, what i feel is you might as well try to down PES and get posted somewhere else earlier. Reason being its better to go somewhere early and learn your new work than be posted later and higher chances of your upper study going to ORD soon or worse already ORD so noone to train you. My understudies had about 10 days to learn everything to take over my work. Considering i'm the only expert in the entire camp on the systems, i needed to train them very hard. 1 person brokedown due to all the stress but i could only just counsel him and he still had to carry on since time was limited.
eac mentioned SSU but somehow i don't think that is where you are and if you were to post there, i don't think it would make you feel any different from posting out. -
hi,
recovering from piles surgery.
from what I heard from my surgeon, even after the surgery, I will continue to experience stinging around the surgery area when I sweat, run, sit on hard surface for a long time etc.
he also told me that every morning and night, i need to do a hot water bath.
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so my MC ended yesterday, and tomorrow I will be going back to camp.
my question is, as it is quite obvious that I can't do any activities that require my lower body, and that I can't take hot water baths in camp, what do you think the MO will do about my case??