Will you shoot your countrymen?
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Hypothetically speaking, if you are the standing military commander in a district where Gurkhas have been tasked to terminate the angry protesters with lethal force and you know women and children are there in the crowd, will you place your forces to shield them or let the massacre take place?Originally posted by zquek:My opinion is that the Gurkhas will be sought to handle this kind of situations. Unless the whole country is in anarchy. well then bo pian lor!
If it comes to a state where Gurkhas are ordered to restore law and order by illegal and lethal means, it's time for them to become legitimate enemy combatants as they are foreign mercenaries operating on Singapore soil. -
If it comes to a state where Gurkhas are ordered to restore law and order by illegal and lethal means, it's time for them to become legitimate enemy combatants as they are foreign mercenaries operating on Singapore soil
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Well, illegal can be redefined. Legitmacy can be redefined. Its up to the government. In the end, when such an incident happened. I doubt you will bother about the legal dimension and legitimacy. -
The only time when the Gurkhas must be deployed to restore order in such a brutal fashion is when the ruling party has screwed up its policies so badly and turned itself into an international laughing stock.
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So what would you do?As a soldier and a father?Originally posted by zquek:If it comes to a state where Gurkhas are ordered to restore law and order by illegal and lethal means, it's time for them to become legitimate enemy combatants as they are foreign mercenaries operating on Singapore soil
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Well, illegal can be redefined. Legitmacy can be redefined. Its up to the government. In the end, when such an incident happened. I doubt you will bother about the legal dimension and legitimacy. -
i think this is quite a familiar incident that happend in China, the president dunno which one had done something and they had riots, the soldiers did not want to shoot into the crowd and the government was helpless, then the president sent the orphan battalion to go to the scene and did the job of chasing them back and did a very good one too...
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Well Singapore hasn't hosted a rowdy WTO meeting yet.... controlling civillians will be crucial if those anti-capitalists gather down here. I don't think simple riot drill will be enough then
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We've gotta grow up someday.Originally posted by lftwgr:Well Singapore hasn't hosted a rowdy WTO meeting yet.... controlling civillians will be crucial if those anti-capitalists gather down here. I don't think simple riot drill will be enough then -
Do not fire until fired upon.
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isn't it something from blackhawk down and rules of engagement?Originally posted by Xcert:Do not fire until fired upon. -
Standard ROE under Geneva Convention.Though it might be murky if your armed reaction is disproportionate to the threat level of the tangos.Originally posted by wonderamazement:isn't it something from blackhawk down and rules of engagement? -
in fact before a country declares law on another, it's still nit under martial law and if you kill an enemy soldier, you'll be charged for murder...
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I must confess, Wo Bu 100% Ming Bai what you are saying. Do you know what martial law means? I think you mean International law, in which case you should know that International Law is an area of law that is incredibly uncertain. And who exactly is going to charge the soldier? IMO, the International Criminal court can hardly be said to have international mandate.Originally posted by wonderamazement:in fact before a country declares law on another, it's still nit under martial law and if you kill an enemy soldier, you'll be charged for murder... -
Hmm, the ICC is only unrecognized by North Korea, Iran, USA, Israel ..maybe Singapore too.I'm not too sure.Originally posted by lwflee:I must confess, Wo Bu 100% Ming Bai what you are saying. Do you know what martial law means? I think you mean International law, in which case you should know that International Law is an area of law that is incredibly uncertain. And who exactly is going to charge the soldier? IMO, the International Criminal court can hardly be said to have international mandate. -
what i'm saying is, if the war has not been declared and say you shoot an enemy soldier wandering in yr camp, you can and will be charged for mueder..Originally posted by lwflee:I must confess, Wo Bu 100% Ming Bai what you are saying. Do you know what martial law means? I think you mean International law, in which case you should know that International Law is an area of law that is incredibly uncertain. And who exactly is going to charge the soldier? IMO, the International Criminal court can hardly be said to have international mandate. -
lol army camp is protected place. if he refuse to comply you have the right to shootOriginally posted by wonderamazement:what i'm saying is, if the war has not been declared and say you shoot an enemy soldier wandering in yr camp, you can and will be charged for mueder..
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Eeer...Depends on the situation. Anyway, i'm beginning to think that you have never served in the Army b4. Also, the point of my previous reply to you is that you are refering to grey areas of law as "fact".Originally posted by wonderamazement:what i'm saying is, if the war has not been declared and say you shoot an enemy soldier wandering in yr camp, you can and will be charged for mueder..
Eg: "You can and will be charged for murder". --> Given that the facts are so unclear, I doubt many lawyers will dare say that.
IMO, International Law is an area of law that is very uncertain and Enforcement of those laws require a great degree of participation by the offending nation. Arguably, enforcement is voluntary. -
Originally posted by lwflee:Eeer...Depends on the situation. Anyway, i'm beginning to think that you have never served in the Army b4. Also, the point of my previous reply to you is that you are refering to grey areas of law as "fact".
Eg: "You can and will be charged for murder". --> Given that the facts are so unclear, I doubt many lawyers will dare say that.
IMO, International Law is an area of law that is very uncertain and Enforcement of those laws require a great degree of participation by the offending nation. Arguably, enforcement is voluntary. sbsk ? -
ok ok fine i actually can't believe i'm admitting this but i read it in this war book at the pasir ris library at whitesands 2mths ago and i;m not very clear of the details and this is all that i can remember....
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Yaay i win!Originally posted by wonderamazement:ok ok fine i actually can't believe i'm admitting this but i read it in this war book at the pasir ris library at whitesands 2mths ago and i;m not very clear of the details and this is all that i can remember....
Anyway, whether or not the guy will be charged will depend very much on the ROE in place at the time and whether or not he followed the ROE. -
What is the title of that book? Maybe if we happen to be at the library, we could take a look.Originally posted by wonderamazement:ok ok fine i actually can't believe i'm admitting this but i read it in this war book at the pasir ris library at whitesands 2mths ago and i;m not very clear of the details and this is all that i can remember....
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Maybe they need more obvious warning signs.Originally posted by crazy monkey:lol army camp is protected place. if he refuse to comply you have the right to shoot
"Warning! Protected area! Intruders will be shot! Survivors will be shot again!" -
u got read read pioneer and jane's mag ? good rite ?Originally posted by wonderamazement:ok ok fine i actually can't believe i'm admitting this but i read it in this war book at the pasir ris library at whitesands 2mths ago and i;m not very clear of the details and this is all that i can remember....
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I dont mind shooting stephen lim...with tear gas, stun gun, rubber bullets...more like riot control types...
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I met a former yugoslavian army officer in Sweden....he deserted the the army after yugoslavia was broken up into few countries due to religion differences... he told me he dun want to kill his friends in the battlefield due to his ethnic obligation who he was train together with when they were in officer school...i was wondering if singapore was broken up due to religous differences....will u be willing to kill your friends due to the religious or ethnic obligation???