nothing wrong if i get posted to diff unit during my service.Originally posted by wuming78:wow. how come u get to encounter so many different unit PCs?
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an encik is not an offr. or are you refering to a 2LT.Originally posted by Gordonator:an encik asking his men to buy cigarettes for him is not a good officer in my eyes.
a sergeant "ordering" his men to buy bresakfast for him eventhough the man has no intention of going to the canteen at all is not a good commander in my eyes too.![]()
an encik is an officer - a warrant OFFICER. another point to note: they are members of the officers' mess too. so, they are considered officers, though not commissioned.Originally posted by Joshua1975:an encik is not an offr. or are you refering to a 2LT.
a sergeant "ordering" his men to buy bresakfast for him should be charge for skipping breakfast.
er... the topic is on officer. why not you start 1 with encik or SGT. YSL
Indeed.Those in command should shoulder most of their own duties instead of diverting everything to their underlings.Originally posted by wuming78:wow. how come u get to encounter so many different unit PCs?
anyway, i do agree that the cited example is one of misuse of authority. if the PC has nothing else urgent to attend to, he should (both morally, and as a show of leadership by example) clean his own weapon. and this applies to some other work too. delegation is inevitable in command positions. however, one has to consider carefully what to delegate, and the possible consequences of it.
Those kinds of behavior are the most commonplace..and it results in low morale in the long term.Originally posted by Gordonator:an encik asking his men to buy cigarettes for him is not a good officer in my eyes.
a sergeant "ordering" his men to buy bresakfast for him eventhough the man has no intention of going to the canteen at all is not a good commander in my eyes too.![]()
it really contradict from the offr core. face it like an officer. dun fool yourself, will a 2LT salute a SWO?Originally posted by wuming78:an encik is an officer - a warrant OFFICER. another point to note: they are members of the officers' mess too. so, they are considered officers, though not commissioned.
well it had happened and i think it still going on in SAF. face it. want to know more what one other thing these YSL i met had ask other to do for them? asking sect comd to do for them the overlay, maybe that is why they always get lost during an ex.Originally posted by wuming78:wow. how come u get to encounter so many different unit PCs?
anyway, i do agree that the cited example is one of misuse of authority. if the PC has nothing else urgent to attend to, he should (both morally, and as a show of leadership by example) clean his own weapon. and this applies to some other work too. delegation is inevitable in command positions. however, one has to consider carefully what to delegate, and the possible consequences of it.
well i just dun understand why and what has the NE teach them at all. incase you guys dun know what NE is, NE ~ national education. maybe it not thought in SAF anymore.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Indeed.Those in command should shoulder most of their own duties instead of diverting everything to their underlings.
it's not about NE, it's about what OCS has not taught them.That all soldiers are cogs in the SAF, if the big gear slows down, the small gears cannot ever hope to move faster.Originally posted by Joshua1975:well i just dun understand why and what has the NE teach them at all. incase you guys dun know what NE is, NE ~ national education. maybe it not thought in SAF anymore.
comon, after an ex, there are tons of store need to be clear which need manpower to carry out and as a PC, if you can not help, the least you can do is clean your own stuff like weapon.
i really din see why an encik was in the picture? anyway, asking man to buy things from canteen do happen but as for buying cigarettes... hummm which camp do sell? if booking out why still need to ask the man to buy for him?Originally posted by Gordonator:an encik asking his men to buy cigarettes for him is not a good officer in my eyes.
a sergeant "ordering" his men to buy bresakfast for him eventhough the man has no intention of going to the canteen at all is not a good commander in my eyes too.![]()
than it must have been very long and for times to come.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Those kinds of behavior are the most commonplace..and it results in low morale in the long term.
i mean NE in the SAF context. forget that, i think it not in the program anymore and if it is, than it had gone fcuk.Originally posted by LazerLordz:it's not about NE, it's about what OCS has not taught them.That all soldiers are cogs in the SAF, if the big gear slows down, the small gears cannot ever hope to move faster.
with regards to the gear anology. the current CDF visited our Bn. During the evening at the mess, he was relating to us what consitutes a well oiled Infantry Bn. He posed the question to us, YSL ( the whole lot of us just got posted there) " Are your section commanders ready to lead his men ?"Originally posted by Joshua1975:i mean NE in the SAF context. forget that, i think it not in the program anymore and if it is, than it had gone fcuk.
looks like me the small gear is moving faster or i had just break off and spin on my own yah. so it too bad there is much i can do about it.
talking about big and small, can i put it that a 2LT is big gear and a 3 SGT sect comd is small gear? so do you mean all 2LT slow down? or maybe spec and wose are not the gear at all to you?
just 1 question. does the chain of command stop at section commander? Yes? No?Originally posted by one-niner:with regards to the gear anology. the current CDF visited our Bn. During the evening at the mess, he was relating to us what consitutes a well oiled Infantry Bn. He posed the question to us, YSL ( the whole lot of us just got posted there) " Are your section commanders ready to lead his men ?"
From his prespective, once the section commander is able to lead his section as he was taught to, with the PC letting his section do their work while ensuring the Coys intent,thats the way the battle should be fought.
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that is the problem with new YSL... xin guan shan ren san ba huo.Originally posted by one-niner:I was hated by my PLT when i took over from my upper study due to my No nonsense attitude towards monkeying ,regimentation, turn out. As time passes by, i realised that respect could not be demanded, but by empathy and knowing my men and commander's role within the PLT. i listened to their problems, analysed their reasoning for such conduct, it was the different frequency i was on.
I brought myself to their frequency, stated my expectations in their lingo and they did their work.I am not hiding behind the fact that my PLT hated me. Infact i have to thank them for hating me, in order to bring me down to their world and i had become more listening than ever, and my loved ones also feel i listen more and act accordingly.
there should not be an overemphasis on one single role for junior commanders.If the PC is down, the PS or the next senior specialist must be able to think on the move and get the engine running again.Originally posted by one-niner:with regards to the gear anology. the current CDF visited our Bn. During the evening at the mess, he was relating to us what consitutes a well oiled Infantry Bn. He posed the question to us, YSL ( the whole lot of us just got posted there) " Are your section commanders ready to lead his men ?"
From his prespective, once the section commander is able to lead his section as he was taught to, with the PC letting his section do their work while ensuring the Coys intent,thats the way the battle should be fought.
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even it is so urgent that he need to attend imm, it is still his own weapon.Originally posted by wuming78:... ... ...
anyway, i do agree that the cited example is one of misuse of authority. if the PC has nothing else urgent to attend to, he should (both morally, and as a show of leadership by example) clean his own weapon. and this applies to some other work too. delegation is inevitable in command positions. however, one has to consider carefully what to delegate, and the possible consequences of it.
Okay..to be fair..the PC can just ensure he cleans the rifle while on the way back or when his Sect Comds are giving lectures.Originally posted by Joshua1975:even it is so urgent that he need to attend imm, it is still his own weapon.
what oaths did you cite or what type arm presentation ceremony you had during your BMT? i was wondering, did you take one in the 1st place?
Okay..to be fair... which PC draw arm everyday like the man do? face it. draw arm in the early morning, PC where? still in bunk sleeping? want me to say it out? PC still get runner to draw arm for them and best still sign for them as well. well maybe PC can do the can not.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Okay..to be fair..the PC can just ensure he cleans the rifle while on the way back or when his Sect Comds are giving lectures.
Let's say..post-exercise situation.PC and platoon are back at coy line.All the guys prepare to clean arms..coy clerk comes up to PC and tells him S3 wants to see him asap.Can he disobey the S3's orders and tell him to wait till he cleans his rifle?By right it should not pose a problem, but operational culture is at work here.And sadly enough, staff work takes precedence over the individual soldiering duties of a PC very often.As long as he doesn't arrow his tired troopers to clean it for him, I would say he has done sufficient.The Armskote Specialist should remind him to clean and maintain the rifle asap when he returns.
What do you guys think?
agreed on not all but 1 is just too many dun you think so? and most unit have these type of PCs around.Originally posted by 12qwaszx:ok lah, to be fair for all PCs in the SAF, not all are like that lah
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