does our ladies really understand about NS?
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it seems like many of the singaporean girls like to complain here and there on their male counterparts. they doesn't seem to be appreciate their male counterpart's efforts and sacification in protecting n servicing the country
do you think that our females really understand about NS? or should the government make them compulsory to serve NS (but not in combat)? -
well. i must say that based on discussions here, many guys themselves do not understand NS, even though they are going to serve / are serving / had served NS!Originally posted by chikopek:it seems like many of the singaporean girls like to complain here and there on their male counterparts. they doesn't seem to be appreciate their male counterpart's efforts and sacification in protecting n servicing the country
do you think that our females really understand about NS? or should the government make them compulsory to serve NS (but not in combat)? -
npnt
no proof no talk
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Originally posted by wuming78:well. i must say that based on discussions here, many guys themselves do not understand NS, even though they are going to serve / are serving / had served NS!
toking abt sbsk ? -
i agree that even our guys dont seem to understand or agree on the necessity of NS. maybe the girls might have even gotten the impression from other guys around them. (father, uncles, coleagues etc)
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fine, the key word now is appreciation. does they appreciates our effort in protecting and serving the country? i dun think many girls (not all) would do so
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I dun even appreciate the fact that I am serving together with thousands of others..because I dun believe SAF can fight a war..so I dun blame the girls to think that way..I even promote the idea among the girls..
I'm not proud of serving/protecting the nation..It's just pure BS..
It's better to know the truth than blindly and stupidly thinking we are safe. With the 1st artillery shot landing on SG ground, together comes panic and chaos..
I'd rather pray that no war ever comes to SG while we continue our wayang show known as deterrence.. -
you have several notions:Originally posted by CKtalon:I dun even appreciate the fact that I am serving together with thousands of others..because I dun believe SAF can fight a war..so I dun blame the girls to think that way..I even promote the idea among the girls..
I'm not proud of serving/protecting the nation..It's just pure BS..
It's better to know the truth than blindly and stupidly thinking we are safe. With the 1st artillery shot landing on SG ground, together comes panic and chaos..
I'd rather pray that no war ever comes to SG while we continue our wayang show known as deterrance..
1. saf cannot fight a war
2. saf is not much of a deterrent
3. praying is the only way for us.
am i rite? -
no, but neither do we understand about them.Originally posted by chikopek:it seems like many of the singaporean girls like to complain here and there on their male counterparts. they doesn't seem to be appreciate their male counterpart's efforts and sacification in protecting n servicing the country
do you think that our females really understand about NS? or should the government make them compulsory to serve NS (but not in combat)? -
well and i hope the 1st shell land on u ....Originally posted by CKtalon:I dun even appreciate the fact that I am serving together with thousands of others..because I dun believe SAF can fight a war..so I dun blame the girls to think that way..I even promote the idea among the girls..
I'm not proud of serving/protecting the nation..It's just pure BS..
It's better to know the truth than blindly and stupidly thinking we are safe. With the 1st artillery shot landing on SG ground, together comes panic and chaos..
I'd rather pray that no war ever comes to SG while we continue our wayang show known as deterrence.. -
hehe..I knew I would incur the wrath of a regularOriginally posted by wuming78:you have several notions:
1. saf cannot fight a war
2. saf is not much of a deterrent
3. praying is the only way for us.
am i rite?
It depends who SAF is fighting against and the reason of the agressor..
If the agressor were to be a seek and destroy type coz we did something wrong..(I'm not talking nukes here) A few arty shots would cause pretty large damage on SG ground..
Even if the oppressor is suppressed and we win, we would have 'lost' the war coz our economy and infrastructure is gone..u get the idea?
If it were a take over plan..SAF may have a chance due to the superiority of it's technology..and not necessary training..
I question the operational ability of reservistsnot NSFs
SAF is doing a good job with deterrence with NS (read large force) and display of technological equipment..so no qualms about that
I just like to call it wayang
Praying won't do harm -
hmmm... i think this guy should have been shot dead during his NS life. Singapore dun need such citizen like you..just know how to talk and talk and talk...how much do you really abt the SAf and the defence in Singapore?? really sad to have you around in Singapore... haiz...
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What pisses me off is that the girls seems to think NS is a real walk in the park because eg. BMTC looks like a resort. I would like to see some of them spend 2 nights trying to dig a fire trench by candle light, only to be told on the third day to fill it back in. I would like to see some of the girls having a walk about in the vincinity of Lim Chu Kang with burst blisters covering their foot. I would like them to show the medic their feet only to be told by the medic that there is nothing much he can do. The girls do not understand the oppurtunities we have given up in order to do our duty as citizens. 2 years is a long time. You can get/almost get a degree in 2 years. You can evev qualify for entry into a number of professional bodies in 2 years.
I am not even asking them to reward us with liberal amounts of gratuitous sex...i am just asking them to let us be. Maybe all NSF/NS soldiers/policemen/Firefighters should take a one week strike and let the nation burn itself to the ground.
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many singaporean girls take things for granted
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very very true. in fact not only girls, guys too.Originally posted by chikopek:many singaporean girls take things for granted
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Errrmmmh....organised one week BMT experience for all poly/A level females? Then they understand
I can already imagine all the officers and specs horror when they bring them for the out-field experience
"Wheres the TV?"
"U mean I have to sleep on the ground?"
"WAT? NO BATH!? WAT!? POWDER BATH!?"
"wat do u mean, we have to dig our own toilet..."
"where can I plugged in my HP to charge?"
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...so on and so forth
Ya, it might be a good experience for them, the stripping away of daily necessarties and just live out there. Could be a positive experience for them. -
so girl dun even know the meaning between army, air force and navy.
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quote of the nite....
gals will never understand ns as ns is all about LPPL.. and since gals dun have L they will never understand that feeling..
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i assume you have completed military training.Originally posted by CKtalon:I dun even appreciate the fact that I am serving together with thousands of others..because I dun believe SAF can fight a war..so I dun blame the girls to think that way..I even promote the idea among the girls..
I'm not proud of serving/protecting the nation..It's just pure BS..
It's better to know the truth than blindly and stupidly thinking we are safe. With the 1st artillery shot landing on SG ground, together comes panic and chaos..
I'd rather pray that no war ever comes to SG while we continue our wayang show known as deterrence..
you should understand SAF's war readiness and doctrine first before passing negative comments blindly.
i agree with you that most men have no pride in serving NS. as such how can we expect the ladies to appreciate? -
you are right. they tend to mistaken SISPEC as SISTEC for instanceOriginally posted by martin_lim85:so girl dun even know the meaning between army, air force and navy.
we go outfield, sleeps in tunnel, grounds and benches in training shades without proper bed, urinate n SHIT on the grass, never bath and changing clothes in the entire 4 days 3 nights outfield, eating combat rations, cooking maggi mee using solid fuel etc, can those s'pore ladies who keeps complains against guys understands that? can they do it?
wonder how many of them will cry if NS is made compulsory for those female citizens -
totally agree. should makes them have an experiences so that they will understand how ns is likeOriginally posted by octega:Errrmmmh....organised one week BMT experience for all poly/A level females? Then they understand
I can already imagine all the officers and specs horror when they bring them for the out-field experience
"Wheres the TV?"
"U mean I have to sleep on the ground?"
"WAT? NO BATH!? WAT!? POWDER BATH!?"
"wat do u mean, we have to dig our own toilet..."
"where can I plugged in my HP to charge?"
...
...
...so on and so forth
Ya, it might be a good experience for them, the stripping away of daily necessarties and just live out there. Could be a positive experience for them. -
SAF's goal is to deter and to have a quick and decisive victory when there's a need..SAF is doing a great job deterring, but we shouldn't be proud of this..Originally posted by dragg:i assume you have completed military training.
you should understand SAF's war readiness and doctrine first before passing negative comments blindly.
i agree with you that most men have no pride in serving NS. as such how can we expect the ladies to appreciate?
In the case of what is happening now, men seem to want females to respect them as they will be protecting the country when war comes but I do not feel they can fight hence shouldn't deserve the pride.
I have made several observations which have led me to think so..For most of the things I raise, I have gone through them and hence felt how useless this training was..although yes it was xiong and I dun want to go through it again
Pride? Glory? Honour? can eat? Serve and fark off?
That's the mentality of most NSFs...even officers, specs
NSFs (except the enlightened few) do not believe in SAF..just striving to ORD
NSmen is the bulk of our force..how many people here find reservist a waste of time? how many treat the training seriously? how many are really operationally ready? Sure
there's one battalion who had one of the best ATEC scores...remarkable for a NS unit..
but 1? 2? U are sending out only 1 battalion to fight?
Another thing about ATEC..Is it 'real' in the sense?
Do casualties, dead people really go out of action after a certain scenario or do they mysteriously revive after every exercise? With such a mentality that people revive, get
cured..it seems like we have an invincible army..How true is that?
Of course, we need to prevent people who want to chao keng..1st day die, can shake leg for the rest of ATEC..but in a real situation, that's not the case
I think u can imagine?
When evacuating with casualties during exercises, do u run 2-3km back to the actual CCP..or just simulate running a few hundred metres and then followed by the order of
exercise cut? Of course I know it's very xiong doing such exercises..but in war, what makes u think that while retrograding, u won't be within enemy fire?
How realistic is ATEC? Bullets flying pass your helmet, hitting your buddy's head, blowing it up..Still rational? Still willing to think logically and think of the overall situation?
And how many casualties will render a platoon ineffective? 3..just 3 and a platoon can start retreating (at a slowed down pace)
Too talk about realistic training, there's Section/platoon/coy live firing?
Such a well controlled exercise and with the route so well planned and every cover so well placed for u doesn't seem very realistic to me..
The attack looks great when fighting dummy targets, everyone moves wonderfully doing leap and bounds..wow..
All live firing exercises are conducted under very controlled conditions..coz of safety regulations (which are needed), but the realistic value drops too much...
Recent 'paintball' like equipment gives me better hope now..
There are certain exercises which certain units do more realistic stuff(Commando's Ex Fireball with live rounds or something like that, or certain SOF equipment that shoots
something similar like paintball but better)..but then it's only those few..Their Operations aren't exactly what the main bulk of the Army is.
For support units like Artillery, I do feel they are more useful in the Army, at least they can do damage at without having heavy casualties..but if I'm not wrong there's
equipment that can analyse the trajectory, speed and stuff to locate where the arty guns are located? Arty bombardment back on ur arty guns isn't a good thing..(but
again..maybe the oppressor doesn't have that type of technology..)
For maneuver arms (Armour), I do not have much to comment..It could probably the only saving point of the Army..
Regulars? I believe most people have heard/experienced how farked up regulars can be..there are of course the enlightened few as usual, but they won't be the main bulk of
our fighting forces
NS is great fun which lets u try things u may never do..but without doing them, would ur life really be any lesser? If so, how much? See the girls...
Sure, confidence gets boosted and stuff..again how many people in NS really get to go through certain jobs? Support/Admin/Logistics staff are important, but in the process,
how many of them would benefit from NS? Learning how to type? learning how to manage human relations? learning how to wayang?
It's not necessary to learn all these in NS. U can learn in those in your future jobs too
Telling me about how united ur unit is, how much pride u have in ur unit is meaningless..because this is on the incapabilities of the SAF mainly the Army
That's one of the few advantages NS gives, but when ur unit is required to fight a war, I have doubts how effective or how much
There may be some untruths here, which you can raise it against me and if I do not have anything to refute back, I will gladly accept it.. -
yes and our enemies are SOOOOOO well trained
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It doesn't need to be well trained to cause damage.Originally posted by kopiosatu:yes and our enemies are SOOOOOO well trained
They can lose hundreds of thousands of lives, while because we are well trained, we only lose thousands of lives.
The post war impact will cause Singapore to crumble since the people fighting are day to day engineers, teachers, odd-job workers, blue-collar workers, etc, so we still lose the war although we won the battle -