SAW Ultimax 100
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do u guys consider this rifle as a weapon or jus a piece of useless metal that rust easily?
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Well, if it kills, then I would say it is a weapon.
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Barrel abit long, but otherwise its a perfect mini machine gun.
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A pain to learn in OETI.
Dammit,the trigger mechanism has to fixed in a position where you have to rely on feel of your fingers. -
other than its subjective 30 rnd magazine used usually and the rusting. I think its one hell of a fine weapon due to its weight (as a SAW and low recoil for a SAW)
i never fired a FN Mini, so anyone out there who has fired the weapons, care to comment on the different recoil ? -
I always associate automatic weapons to have unbelieveable recoil, the SAW proved me wrong.
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good luck running around with this.
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i've tried out a minimi before (para version) and yeah, iirc the saw's recoil was less. must qualify that i didn't have the chance to fire one after the other so direct comparison is a little hard and the last time i had live-fired a saw was some time back - blame the saf's infrequent live firings.Originally posted by one-niner:other than its subjective 30 rnd magazine used usually and the rusting. I think its one hell of a fine weapon due to its weight (as a SAW and low recoil for a SAW)
i never fired a FN Mini, so anyone out there who has fired the weapons, care to comment on the different recoil ?
the minimi does feel more 'solid' and looks a damn sight better than the saw though! -
one thing i realised abt the SAW is the rather simple and almost crude construction i would describe as.The weapon isn't well finished..the weldings..the stamped parts, and the infamous charging handle ..Originally posted by quivalen:i've tried out a minimi before (para version) and yeah, iirc the saw's recoil was less. must qualify that i didn't have the chance to fire one after the other so direct comparison is a little hard and the last time i had live-fired a saw was some time back - blame the saf's infrequent live firings.
the minimi does feel more 'solid' and looks a damn sight better than the saw though! -
Good light MG except for finishing. I personally broke two chanring handleOriginally posted by one-niner:one thing i realised abt the SAW is the rather simple and almost crude construction i would describe as.The weapon isn't well finished..the weldings..the stamped parts, and the infamous charging handle ..
Just wondering why the developers dun improve on the finishing. Is it cos we are getting a replacement (not trying to speculate). -
SAW Ultimax 100 is a very well-rated weapon.
For your info, it was almost adopted by US Army and Navy.
But when it was presented to them for evaluation, it was still under improvements (not sure if it was the Mk II to Mk III stage).
So US chose M249 (FN Minimi) instead to replace their M60.
Why SAW do not work well with blanks are due to serveral factors,
1. The 30-rds m16 mag was a "improvisation" and do not fit well into the rifle. the loose attachment makes feeding very poor.
2. Feeding is poor because blanks are wedged into the chamber and cut by the bolt, thus creating a "double feeding"-like IA.
3. Very often blank attachment is not screwed to maximum tightness, this lead to gas escaping and thus not creating enough blowback for the rifle's action cycle to complete.
4. Poor maintenance by operators, partly due to lack of exposure to the weapon by their superiors themselves, leading to many people unfamiliar with the weapon.
During live-firing, SAW fires reliably with most IA caused by magazine attachment issues. -
all the problems you state, i dun have or my man dun face them often.Originally posted by Ponders:SAW Ultimax 100 is a very well-rated weapon.
For your info, it was almost adopted by US Army and Navy.
But when it was presented to them for evaluation, it was still under improvements (not sure if it was the Mk II to Mk III stage).
So US chose M249 (FN Minimi) instead to replace their M60.
Why SAW do not work well with blanks are due to serveral factors,
1. The 30-rds m16 mag was a "improvisation" and do not fit well into the rifle. the loose attachment makes feeding very poor.
2. Feeding is poor because blanks are wedged into the chamber and cut by the bolt, thus creating a "double feeding"-like IA.
3. Very often blank attachment is not screwed to maximum tightness, this lead to gas escaping and thus not creating enough blowback for the rifle's action cycle to complete.
4. Poor maintenance by operators, partly due to lack of exposure to the weapon by their superiors themselves, leading to many people unfamiliar with the weapon.
During live-firing, SAW fires reliably with most IA caused by magazine attachment issues.
point 3 is very true. normally i teach my man to used jack knife to tighten the blank attachment. and as long there is vistor during our field ex. remark for my PL will be good fire power/support from us. by just have 2 SAW firing together (blanks) you can feel how powerful it is and if any got a chance of live firing, for commander try talk to you higer command to have a session where you can show the man what is it like to have 2 SAW firing side by side, if not all 6 in a section, firing into the butt/target area.
i dun know how the rest of the SAW gunner feel about the weapon, but for sure my man trust it very well.
if during training, your weapon give you all kinds of problems, i really dun see what confidence it will build in you.
just my 2 cents. -
Quite old weapon though...first handled it when I enlisted back in '83
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Mark I?
now Mark IV liao. -
Joshua1975 ==>
well, most of the IA encountered with SAW is like what i mentioned.
the blanks literally get cut by the bolt and wedged into the chamber... preventing subsequent rounds from chambering.
anyway... i tell my men to pull the magazine backwards slightly whenever firing with blanks so that the top of the mag is parallel with the rifle.
then incidents went down. -
think think think, is there a better way other than ask them to pull back a little.Originally posted by Ponders:Joshua1975 ==>
well, most of the IA encountered with SAW is like what i mentioned.
the blanks literally get cut by the bolt and wedged into the chamber... preventing subsequent rounds from chambering.
anyway... i tell my men to pull the magazine backwards slightly whenever firing with blanks so that the top of the mag is parallel with the rifle.
then incidents went down.
for the SAW gunner out there, just a point for you guys. as all of you know that the 30 rounds mag tend to fall off easily, here a way for you.
get a black rubber band tie to the trigger guard than pull it over the 30 round mag .
1. it will help you from losing you mag on the move as when it drop off from the housing it still hanging on the trigger guard.
2. it oso help pull back the mag and it help prevent the blank from been cut by the bolt.
i am sure some have better idea than me. -
joshua1975...
hmm.. not a bad idea.... but don't think my unit will adopt it.
stupid unit la. not in doctrine... don't do mentality.
the previous mono was allowed to band two mags together for fast switching.
current mono... no. -
haha..... some1 better do hv some gd ideas.... imagine having to change the mags while under heavy fire & ur squad nids tat heavy firepower for support....
1.) loosen the rubber band
2.) take out a new mag
3.) re-tie the new mag with the rubberband
4.) load the mag
5.) cork & get ready to fire
6.) realise ur whole squad is dead
(plz...tis whole think is a joke.... ) -
you had better serve you NS and be a SAW gunner or a commander b4 making such comment. dun think you had ever done an ex. fire fight at all...Originally posted by risenlava:haha..... some1 better do hv some gd ideas.... imagine having to change the mags while under heavy fire & ur squad nids tat heavy firepower for support....
1.) loosen the rubber band
2.) take out a new mag
3.) re-tie the new mag with the rubberband
4.) load the mag
5.) cork & get ready to fire
6.) realise ur whole squad is dead
(plz...tis whole think is a joke.... )
rubber... do you know what is black rubber band? tell me you have a box head i will forgive you as you can't think out of the box.
ginna... may you be a SAW gunner if you need to serve. come back and post how many mag you had lost. may each mag cost you just a weekend. i am being kind to you for not saying send you to DB.
i pray for those that going to serve together with you and if the day come where by all need to go... may you be alone. -
Sheesh ...this is really one of THE posts man ....u think u fastening a packet of pototoe chips ??Originally posted by risenlava:haha..... some1 better do hv some gd ideas.... imagine having to change the mags while under heavy fire & ur squad nids tat heavy firepower for support....
1.) loosen the rubber band
2.) take out a new mag
3.) re-tie the new mag with the rubberband
4.) load the mag
5.) cork & get ready to fire
6.) realise ur whole squad is dead
(plz...tis whole think is a joke.... ) -
The SAW was on trial with the Marines and NavSpecWar in 1986.That would place the model to be either the Mk 1 or the Mk 2.Originally posted by Ponders:SAW Ultimax 100 is a very well-rated weapon.
For your info, it was almost adopted by US Army and Navy.
But when it was presented to them for evaluation, it was still under improvements (not sure if it was the Mk II to Mk III stage).
So US chose M249 (FN Minimi) instead to replace their M60.
Why SAW do not work well with blanks are due to serveral factors,
1. The 30-rds m16 mag was a "improvisation" and do not fit well into the rifle. the loose attachment makes feeding very poor.
2. Feeding is poor because blanks are wedged into the chamber and cut by the bolt, thus creating a "double feeding"-like IA.
3. Very often blank attachment is not screwed to maximum tightness, this lead to gas escaping and thus not creating enough blowback for the rifle's action cycle to complete.
4. Poor maintenance by operators, partly due to lack of exposure to the weapon by their superiors themselves, leading to many people unfamiliar with the weapon.
During live-firing, SAW fires reliably with most IA caused by magazine attachment issues.
Current model in usage is the Mk3A.The removable barrel did solve a lot of problems with overheating and carbon foulup,which was hard to clean initially.
Many operators broke their butts and general problems faced by operators included worn out sears and bipod legs being jammed and unable to retract. -
Let him be in PES E and not have to go for live grenade throws or range.Originally posted by one-niner:Sheesh ...this is really one of THE posts man ....u think u fastening a packet of pototoe chips ??
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let him be PES E ??? lets pray for him to be in PES A to go CDO .if not PES B, go Armour,Infantry or Guards and become section 2IC ....Originally posted by LazerLordz:Let him be in PES E and not have to go for live grenade throws or range. -
Nah.The rest want to live.Don't let such people cause fraticides.Originally posted by one-niner:let him be PES E ??? lets pray for him to be in PES A to go CDO .if not PES B, go Armour,Infantry or Guards and become section 2IC ....
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Some info for U100:
1.it can fire grenade.The gas system has a regulator to increase power when operating in adverse conditions (or to cut gas flow off to launch rifle grenades). The barrel has a bayonet (M7) lug and the Ultimax can also launch rifle grenades.
fr http://www.dwsuk.co.uk/New_site/Other/umax.htm
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2.Wah.totally striped