Deaths in the SAF..
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 12:53 am Post subject:
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One man who lucky at the cutting off age, never been to army. The other is a typical Singapore girl who cannot go oversea without his father's credit card. Do you think they have the rights to speak ?
First one or two army time soldier will tell you. Death rate of ARMY is one per week.
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The true pain about army is the body. Exercise without resting. Keep on jogging, Push-up, Chin-up, Running up and down. And worse is that. The body never recover and everyday do the same thing. Over and over again until the pain is forget. Everyday wake up is tired. Everyday wake up with a body feeling just after RUNNING 2.4KM. Feel like resting and yet still have to do the chores. Cleaning up. Marching under the sun feeling want to faint but cannot faint. ( Because faint go to JAIL ). Training. Attend lesson when you feel like sleeping.
Once you sleep. Suddenly, wake-up with Officer saying to you. " YOU SEE THE TREE THERE ? RUN THERE AND DO 20 PUSH-UP AND COME BACK !"
The night finally come. Time to sleep. Just when you go into bed. Knock out. Your mind still feel you haven't rest enough. Wake-up already. 5am in the morning. Time for your morning jogging, warm up, and.... the day begin again !
If you cannot pass your IPPT. Your officer will start to stress you. Calling you names and SABOT KING. Your BODY is tired. Your pride getting hurt. Calling your mates to help you or they be in trouble. How trouble will that be ? Telling them they are not able to book out in weekend. Confine with you. Your ARMY BUDDIES and mates WILL HATE YOU. Their gf waiting for them outside to meet them. Some have love relationship problem. So you SABOT THEM ! They goes crazy enough to beat you up. Blanket over our head and hit you.
That is when you go crazy. Like you are bring the whole team down. You want to pass your IPPT. But no matter how hard you try. Seem never work for you. Helpless. You hope officer will only punish you. But he don't. Because he want to force you to your edge. Force you to pass.
In other parts of the world. You can quit. But in Singapore. You can't ! It's the law. No escape. So end-up some Break their leg by jumping down high stairs. Some break their finger to get out of army. Some eat toothpaste to get fever to escape a few days. Some goes crazy doing funny things like SH!Ting in the open field and public. One I met, During Field camp. Rice drop on the mud. He still pickup and eat. Talking to himself. Every answer he make is just " YES SIR, NO SIR ".
You want to complain. Nobody help you it's part of the Life in ARMY. You want to leave. There is no escape this is Singapore. You want to rest. There is no rest. You feel like beat the officer. But.... if you do it. You go inside prison. You can never enter NTU or NUS again after all your hardwork studying for A-LEVEL. Getting good grades. Etc.
DAYS like WEEKS. WEEKS like MONTHS. MONTH LIKE YEARS. Finally for people who cannot take it. They kill themselves by jumping off the building. Jumping down from 4 floor. Shoot themselves in the head in RANGE with the M16. Happen in the ARMY. Officer tried to prevent by kicking the rifle away but it shoot through his body. Died with tears in his eyes and he is just 18.
http://www.youngpap.org.sg/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=5222
Is this true?? -
Seriously, if this happens , i rather the person moves out of sg , rather then to suicide..Life is too precious then to be wasted on this sorta stuffs, faking is dumb..
Any comments? I hope its not a taboo topic. But this discussion has caught my eye while surfing there... -
sure or not ???? im going in this weekend dun scare me leh..... maybe thats expain the "ghost sightings" in the army
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Hmm.Real statistics,no one really knows.But I can say that BMT now is so relaxed compared to last time.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Seriously, if this happens , i rather the person moves out of sg , rather then to suicide..Life is too precious then to be wasted on this sorta stuffs, faking is dumb..
Any comments? I hope its not a taboo topic. But this discussion has caught my eye while surfing there...
The forum thread you pasted here seems sensationalized.YPAP forums are well-known for that.Take it with a pinch of salt. -
was in arty unit...got any military funeral sure will get arty gun to transport the coffin as part of feneral...kena b4 2 funerals...but apparently din experience such things often...1 deaths per wk is definitely not true...
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When a recruit dies during training, is the gun carriage activated for his funeral?Originally posted by khk:was in arty unit...got any military funeral sure will get arty gun to transport the coffin as part of feneral...kena b4 2 funerals...but apparently din experience such things often...1 deaths per wk is definitely not true... -
Not sure.But a recruit is still a serviceman, and he should be entitled to a military funeral.Rank must never be a barrier to such things.Originally posted by iveco:When a recruit dies during training, is the gun carriage activated for his funeral?
But please stay alive.Nothing is more sacred than that. -
I guess it doesn't depend so much on rank but on the circumstance of the rec's death.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Not sure.But a recruit is still a serviceman, and he should be entitled to a military funeral.Rank must never be a barrier to such things.
But please stay alive.Nothing is more sacred than that.
But i think gun carriage is reserved for heads of state only. Military personnel will have the state flag draped over the coffin. -
Seriously speaking... i have no idea why people still b|tch and whine about the training now
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Is this important if your life is gone?? I find ppl nowadays weird thinking.Originally posted by iveco:When a recruit dies during training, is the gun carriage activated for his funeral?
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I think he was 'inspired' by Wee Kim Wee's grand funeral...Originally posted by thinker:Is this important if your life is gone?? I find ppl nowadays weird thinking. -
So i can assume 2 stuffs
1. This is not in recent years.
2. This might not be true
3. Even it happens , it was way back over 30++ years ago? -
Not true..... ALL servicemen are entitled to military funeral if they died while in service not due to reasons that would embarrass SAF (suicide, etc).Originally posted by Zooish:I guess it doesn't depend so much on rank but on the circumstance of the rec's death.
But i think gun carriage is reserved for heads of state only. Military personnel will have the state flag draped over the coffin.
There are 2 different funerals for serviceman which the bereaved family may choose which they prefer. There is a FULL or MODIFIED funeral. Full one involves gun carriage.
Last year, one of my recruits died, his funeral was a full one. Gun carriage involved. -
Goodness.It's always a sad thing when recruits die.Originally posted by Ponders:Not true..... ALL servicemen are entitled to military funeral if they died while in service not due to reasons that would embarrass SAF (suicide, etc).
There are 2 different funerals for serviceman which the bereaved family may choose which they prefer. There is a FULL or MODIFIED funeral. Full one involves gun carriage.
Last year, one of my recruits died, his funeral was a full one. Gun carriage involved.
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during my time there was one training accident in taiwan. driver drove rover into ravine. everyone on board died
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Originally posted by crazy monkey:during my time there was one training accident in taiwan. driver drove rover into ravine. everyone on board died
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accident do happen. i have witness deaths on a couple of occassions.
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Yes this is the greatest cover-up by SAF.. its a well known secret howeverOriginally posted by crazy monkey:during my time there was one training accident in taiwan. driver drove rover into ravine. everyone on board died -
That recruit died from pre-enlistment ailments that was aggravated when training tempo was start to increase.
Sad part was that in the evening, he was still in canteen enjoying food... by around 12am or so.... frothing in the mouth and falling into coma. ... heli-evacuated.
departed 30 hours later.
sigh. so far i have personally experienced 3 deaths in SAF.
1 i just mention. the other due to luekemia (sad case, the luekemia only detected after enlistment.
Last one... heart attack. -
picture of a taiwan ravine..
omg..guess the last moments before they died were terrifying.. -
Most importantly, all these people could have lived.
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yah...i've done one for a recruit last yr...heard he died after a 2.4....not sure abt tt...given FULL funeral...rifle salute drill or something like tt...gun carriage w state flag...fellow recruits line both sides of road...anyone noes wat's the difference of a modified one in terms of the ceremonial procedures?Originally posted by Ponders:Not true..... ALL servicemen are entitled to military funeral if they died while in service not due to reasons that would embarrass SAF (suicide, etc).
There are 2 different funerals for serviceman which the bereaved family may choose which they prefer. There is a FULL or MODIFIED funeral. Full one involves gun carriage.
Last year, one of my recruits died, his funeral was a full one. Gun carriage involved. -
yr the only arty unit in singapore ? if got military funeral .. cannot take from other unit meh..must be from your ? i dunno how many arty unit there are in singapore.Originally posted by khk:was in arty unit...got any military funeral sure will get arty gun to transport the coffin as part of feneral...kena b4 2 funerals...but apparently din experience such things often...1 deaths per wk is definitely not true... -
signals.Originally posted by crazy monkey:during my time there was one training accident in taiwan. driver drove rover into ravine. everyone on board died