Warrant Officers Mess

• London9

  1 Aug 05, 01:11

  I posted this on the wrong forum, therefore posting again here:
  
  My understanding of Warrant Officers in the Singapore Army is that like WOs in other Commonwealth Armies, they are senior enlisted personnel rather than officers.
  
  Can anyone tell me whether WOs are part of the Officers Mess or whether like those in the British and Australian Armies, they are members of the Sergeants Mess?
  
  And on the issue of saluting, discussed elsewhere on the forum, the only Warrant Officers I know about that are saluted are those in the US Army where WOs are classified as officers.
• LazerLordz

  1 Aug 05, 01:17

  The WOs in SAF are considered Senior Specialists.But the SAF lets them use the Officers Mess because WOs hold officer appointments too,
• nightzip

  1 Aug 05, 01:37

  they ARE the only few who is able to go to both mess!
  
  but not sure for mess fund they pay which one...haha...pay both?
• London9

  1 Aug 05, 01:51

  Originally posted by LazerLordz:

  The WOs in SAF are considered Senior Specialists.But the SAF lets them use the Officers Mess because WOs hold officer appointments too,

  Thanks for the response.
  
  I haven't seen any other armies where senior non-commissioned ranks are members of the same mess as officers, certainly not in the US or British Armies. Under your old rank system, this wouldn't have been the arrangement, would it?
  
  And if the RSM and other WOs are members of the Officers Mess, how do they keep in touch with the views of the more junior ranks?
  
  Might also cause confusion, when WOs undertake exchange postings with other armies!
• nightzip

  1 Aug 05, 01:57

  it is a common understanding in the Whole of SAF that WOs can go to either spec or officer's mess. whether which units you go to. And its good so that WOs can actually know more on the junior officers as well as junior specs so as to creat the links between them.
• London9

  1 Aug 05, 03:34

  Originally posted by nightzip:

  it is a common understanding in the Whole of SAF that WOs can go to either spec or officer's mess. whether which units you go to. And its good so that WOs can actually know more on the junior officers as well as junior specs so as to creat the links between them.

  So will some WOs in a unit will choose to be members of the Officers Mess and others, the Specialists Mess? Which mess will the RSM be a member of?
  
  And are Navy and Air Force WOs also members of the Officers Mess?
• LazerLordz

  1 Aug 05, 03:50

  Originally posted by London9:

  So will some WOs in a unit will choose to be members of the Officers Mess and others, the Specialists Mess? Which mess will the RSM be a member of?
  
  And are Navy and Air Force WOs also members of the Officers Mess?

  RSM would usually hold a appt in the Officer's Mess.Some units have separate mess, some have All Ranks Mess.
• London9

  3 Aug 05, 02:09

  So who would be the President of the Specialists Mess - a WO or the senior Master Sergeant?
• Gordonator

  3 Aug 05, 21:49

  what's the different between an officer mess and a specialist mess anyway? i mean in terms of facilities and services.