Which one is more important? Seniority or Rank?
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take for example, a group of PTEs got posted to a unit at the same time, they work at the same department. within this group, a few of them are below A level/diploma educated while the rest are A level/diploma educated.
1 year passed, the level/diploma educated PTEs are promoted to CPLs while the rest remains as PTEs. at the same time, a new group of PTEs are posted in to the department. among all the newly promoted CPLs, one of them is made the IC in charge of this 2 group of soldiers.
here's the scenario, a sai kang task is given to the IC, he must choose a group of men to do it. as we all know, no one like to do sai kang, so which group of people should he choose?
Basically the IC will face 3 types of reactions from his men.
1) if he choose the first group of PTEs to do it, they'll say they are more lao jiao, let the xin jiaos do it. 2) if he choose the xin jiaos, the xin jiao will complain why always push to them since the lao jiaos are of the same rank as them. 3) if he choose the CPLs, they will complain they got rank, the PTEs should do it.
so which do u think is more important? Seniority or Rank?
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get xin jiao to do
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In an organisation such as the army, things are run the bereaucratic way, so rank tops.
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hmm...
take RP for example...
it's by seniority
my fren LCP he machiam big f*ck there liao...
he said he was trained this way when he was posted there
all the sai kang kena pushed to him
then he said now he did all the sai kang b4 liao, time for others to do it. -
Rank..cos ppl dun behave their age at times.
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see no.2Originally posted by Ah Gong:get xin jiao to do -
but the lao jiao is senior to the xin jiao in terms of time there even thoug same rankOriginally posted by Gordonator:see no.2 -
if the task is a simple one, i'll do it myself, unlike the 2 lazy good-for-nothing sergeants over here, every little thing also push to us. don't know grow hands grow leg for what? simple thing like typing e-mail also push to the men.
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well this is a smiliar situation i encountered before i ord loh. Sai kang esp area cleaning loh.Originally posted by Gordonator:take for example, a group of PTEs got posted to a unit at the same time, they work at the same department. within this group, a few of them are below A level/diploma educated while the rest are A level/diploma educated.
1 year passed, the level/diploma educated PTEs are promoted to CPLs while the rest remains as PTEs. at the same time, a new group of PTEs are posted in to the department. among all the newly promoted CPLs, one of them is made the IC in charge of this 2 group of soldiers.
here's the scenario, a sai kang task is given to the IC, he must choose a group of men to do it. as we all know, no one like to do sai kang, so which group of people should he choose?
Basically the IC will face 3 types of reactions from his men. 1) if he choose the first group of PTEs to do it, they'll say they are more lao jiao, let the xin jiaos do it. 2) if he choose the xin jiaos, the xin jiao will complain why always push to them since the lao jiaos are of the same rank as them. 3) if he choose the CPLs, they will complain they got rank, the PTEs should do it.
so which do u think is more important? Seniority or Rank?
bOSS everytime assign jobs to me and ask me to deploy the man loh... well as for me it really depends on the job lah.. Sai kang like area cleaning everyone can do what. No need to separate lao jiao and xin jiao one lah. If xin jiao dare to make noise... i fark them loh hahaha....telling them "hey boi... u just posted here... pple here been thru shit... this is just area cleaning... cannot do izzit... need oc come down to do izzit."
If lao jiao push away the job... i fark them too loh " hey dun make things difficult for me... lao jiao and xin jiao no difference.. both use the premises... all responsible for area cleaning..." 
They not happy they can just complain.
Whereas for simple jobs... i will just do it myself ... but sometimes suay boss see me do myself den ask me how come never ask for help... hahaha...
IMO.... rank and seniority both is not important. I think what most important is that someone who can really do work loh and be recognised. A warrant officer doesnt even know how to type an email as compared to a pte soldier... how senior the warrant is also no use.
And i think pple who play ranks are defenceless and useless pple loh. Cos they know they lose to other pple in terms of capabilities mah... so can only use rank. wahaha.
I think the most ideal person is having high capabilities and also rank and know which to use according to situations. -
get the xin jiao to do it. every xin jiao no matter what rank do it. in my BDE, even xin jiao CPL also do sai kang. because the lao jiao are been treated the same way before. if they say they are the same rank, the lao jiao only need to wait a few more month to LCP. then end up also those xin jiao kanna aim.Originally posted by Gordonator:see no.2
what i did last time is all xin jiao do the sai kang. talk back i'll will get back at u under table. I.E last weekend guard or public holiday eve guard, find CSM and back stab them. (my CSM and OC always side with the lao jiao one) tell some of those lao jiao senior than me and have them aim. i may sound evil but nowadays those A level students like to complain this and that, and if they gang up they climb up your head. the lao jiao always has a lot of power so dun play with them. -
Get the xin jiao,they complain they jialat..
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I know it's a bit out of point...but just relating an incident to everyone..
my frriend serving his NS, smsed me about a month ago (i was still in aus lying in hospital because of a broken leg):
"I just don't understand why some people only do things for their own benefit, while they can just take one more small step to benefit everyone. Why is mankind so depraved???"
I assumed at the time he was refering to his campmates (and he was).He must have been really desperate to vent his frustration to sms a crippled/hospitalised friend who's overseas.
Sigh.
Can understand why he tried dissuading me from signing on. -
In daily work and etc, seniority is much more important IMHO.Expertise and specialisation is something rank cannot teach fully.[/i]
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Let the new birds do it.
Lao jiaos shld relax. -
every camp also works this way. new bird do the job, old bird slack. unless it is a major sai, then everyone do it together. including the specs.
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The new bird should do the job,
when they become old birds, they'll get to taichi tasks to the new birds.
when the old birds were new, they probably got arrowed to do sai kang too. that's the way the SAF works.
sometimes you gotta be firm with the new birds, esp since your rank is senior to them, the rank, no matter how junior, was given to you for a reason, if they want to complain have them go talk to the enciks or the specs. If there isn't a probable cause for the complaint, chances are that your encik will back you up. -
possible choice are
can pick some lao jiao & xin jiao out let them do the job together
next sai kang then let another lao & xin jiao do.
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all push to xin jiao.... as lao jiao already been through
tell the xin jiao when they bcum lao jiao then can relax.
i havent been to ns -
This show the problems SAF face.Originally posted by Gordonator:take for example, a group of PTEs got posted to a unit at the same time, they work at the same department. within this group, a few of them are below A level/diploma educated while the rest are A level/diploma educated.
1 year passed, the level/diploma educated PTEs are promoted to CPLs while the rest remains as PTEs. at the same time, a new group of PTEs are posted in to the department. among all the newly promoted CPLs, one of them is made the IC in charge of this 2 group of soldiers.
here's the scenario, a sai kang task is given to the IC, he must choose a group of men to do it. as we all know, no one like to do sai kang, so which group of people should he choose?
Basically the IC will face 3 types of reactions from his men. 1) if he choose the first group of PTEs to do it, they'll say they are more lao jiao, let the xin jiaos do it. 2) if he choose the xin jiaos, the xin jiao will complain why always push to them since the lao jiaos are of the same rank as them. 3) if he choose the CPLs, they will complain they got rank, the PTEs should do it.
so which do u think is more important? Seniority or Rank?