someone told me NS is a joke
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the biggest joke i don't understand about the entire SAF is this....
k, i don't anyhow say this but there's a manpower directive on how schools instructors (by this i mean PCs, and 3SG) are posted...
in summary, the ratio of B-graders and above to C-graders (during their SISPEC/OCS) would be lower for schools. e.g. for every B-grade there will be 10 C grade going to bmtc. the ratio is determined by manpower requirements of other units since priority is to them first.
Those who go operational battalions are like mostly better performers. since ratio is to their advantage.
In short, i am trying to say, BMTC and other schools/units (BCTC, ITI, NCC) comprises of instructors who do not perform that well during the SISPEC/OCS training. Also, 3SG who "pass out" from OCS, will definitely go schools, these people are mostly OOC for reasons you and i clearly know.
Especially in BMTC, are we not supposed to groom future commanders? ANd yet commanders are chosen by the very people who do not perform?
So non-performers are trying to groom recruits to perform??
This is in very stark contrast to schools of the US and UK army where performers or the best in the cadre will remain behind as instructors. Whereas others with fairer knowledge of combat skills will continue to hone it in their units. -
by nature ns is good but the people running it make it Fuckedup
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sarcasm intended?Originally posted by Fatum:hear hear !!! .... bravo !!! ......... -
nope gord, that was good, really .... read my own posts ..Originally posted by Gordonator:sarcasm intended?
cheers -
people who are self fish, self centred, who think only about themselves, afraid to come out of their comfort zone and unable to take setbacks in life are usually the ones who thinks NS is a joke or a waste of time.
I think I made a similar post somewhere on cc...i am not good with words and will probably get flamed here but i think everyone should voice their opinions on things.
it's all boils down to your mindset and maturity it's not a waste of time if u don't think of it as a waste of time or even a joke. why not think of it as doing something meaningful? it's your duty afterall as citizen to go through this phase in life. millions of people have gone through it, why can't u? what make u so special?
come on, 2 years of NS is nothing, it'll go by in a brink of an eye. even less if u minus all the leave, off, MC, public holidays etc. now we even got the 5 days working week system, what more can u ask for? the NSFs in the past don't even get to enjoy this privilege.
I mentioned before that the way singapore was run doesn't give us any sense of belonging to the country. Many ppl in this world do think for themselves, not just singaporeans and the government would not help you especially if you are in dire straits. Where do you stand after you do your NS? even when i was presented a medical condition i still have to pay a substantial amount. Sucky....everytime i think of those ppl from china that do not have to go for NS and get priorities in jobs and places in our tertiary institutions / universities here i get so pissed
How could NS be meaningful with the way Nsfs are being treated? and is everyone suitable for NS? I would rather help out in a hospital then shoot stuff in the jungle . Millions have gone through NS but billions haven't gone through it. So what makes them special then?
2 years in your youth is a lot... How many 2 years of youth does one have?i am already in my 20s and to know i have 2 more years of s**t going on for me for NS is so disheartening...before i am even enlisted I keep receiving letters asking me to go for this and that and i have to disrupt my studies every now and then. Not to mention CMPB is so inefficient.. and after 2 years of NS there is still this reservist thingy. Not to mention the shit pay NSFs receive in the army. Even when i call for a job appt , even the government sector, ppl told me they are looking for those who have done their NS and do not have to do NS for the jobs...and the pay isn't that great too....I could have work and study for the job before going full-time on my job in not for tht s****y NS....NS...a complete waste of time
and those who say ppl who regular chao keng in NS is a reflection of their attitude in their worklife is a bunch of bulls***. NSFs are being made to do something they aren't willing to do -
hmm relax dude, realise that working and conscription is 2 different matter. at the very least the job you work as, you chose it to an extent and there is also motivation to do well.Originally posted by Fatum:i never said being an officer or a spec confers upon you a certain work ethic, infact, for officers especially, that's very often a reflection of your results only (c'mon, you know it, I know it, we all see it .... )
but everyone who've worn no.4 should know, there are always those pricks who try to get out of everything and anything. what i'm trying to say is you don't have to be so garang and collect as many stripes or bars as you can, but do what you have to do and don't shrink from it ... sometimes it's bloody ridiculous, have you seen leg injuries downgrades going for atheletics ? ... now it's not a case of I suffer so i want others to suffer the same as me ... i've served my time, did what i have to do and ORD liao, but thinking back to a few characters back then still pisses me off ..... they are certainly people whom i'll never employ, no matter how qualified, because i know they will always be looking for an easy way out ... and never put in a hundred percent.
it might be a matter of conviction and commitment too i guess.....
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You need to educate her on what happens to Singapore if there is no national service or the men who sacrifice their time, effort, money and sometimes lives to keep the country safe.
Without NS, the country will fall. Your friend will be captured. First, they will bring her to the interrogation room. Nevermind that she is kicking and screaming, she will soon be bound and helpless. With all that fighting, the entire company of men is horny. She will be forced to service man after man, through rape, sodomy and through the mouth. After they are bored of her, they will start taking off their belts and whipping her, hard. Blood streaks down her back and arms where the blows land. With this complete, they move on to more imaginative forms of punishment. She is hooked up by her teats to a field radio, and electricity passes through her, racking her whole body with seizures and pain. Then they bring on the infamous water treatment. A water hose is forced into her mouth and turned on full blast. When her tummy is filled to bursting, they will jump on it and force all the water out. After doing this several times, she is taken out and tied to a post in a squatting position. A bamboo shoot grows on the ground under her, and in a week, starts to press against her anal cavity, finally boring its way into her large intestine and killing her. Her family is then rounded up and shot in a systematic manner.
After telling her this, ask her if she still thinks the concept of national defence is a joke. -
i'm also entering NS in two weeks time, or 12 days to be exact :p ...
it's all fun and games and adventure, for king and country.
after that i'm moving overseas and never coming back
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hmm if not coming back might as well dun serve?Originally posted by vulpes macrotis mutica:i'm also entering NS in two weeks time, or 12 days to be exact :p ...
it's all fun and games and adventure, for king and country.
after that i'm moving overseas and never coming back -
BMTC do not groom commanders instead they groom soldiers.Originally posted by Ponders:Especially in BMTC, are we not supposed to groom future commanders? ANd yet commanders are chosen by the very people who do not perform?
So non-performers are trying to groom recruits to perform??
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I have met several outstanding BMTC commanders who although did not do well in battle operation & planning, they excel well enough in their instructional assignment in their respective command training school. -
I suggest ladies should be conscripted as well. Let them help out in hospitals as nursing aides. It isn't fair that they get to enjoy boundless freedom while we owe the farked-up regime our very lives yet get nothing from them in return.Originally posted by depressed:How could NS be meaningful with the way Nsfs are being treated? and is everyone suitable for NS? I would rather help out in a hospital then shoot stuff in the jungle . Millions have gone through NS but billions haven't gone through it. So what makes them special then?
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i don't think the muslim countries around singapore is that evil lorOriginally posted by Weirdo80:You need to educate her on what happens to Singapore if there is no national service or the men who sacrifice their time, effort, money and sometimes lives to keep the country safe.
Without NS, the country will fall. Your friend will be captured. First, they will bring her to the interrogation room. Nevermind that she is kicking and screaming, she will soon be bound and helpless. With all that fighting, the entire company of men is horny. She will be forced to service man after man, through rape, sodomy and through the mouth. After they are bored of her, they will start taking off their belts and whipping her, hard. Blood streaks down her back and arms where the blows land. With this complete, they move on to more imaginative forms of punishment. She is hooked up by her teats to a field radio, and electricity passes through her, racking her whole body with seizures and pain. Then they bring on the infamous water treatment. A water hose is forced into her mouth and turned on full blast. When her tummy is filled to bursting, they will jump on it and force all the water out. After doing this several times, she is taken out and tied to a post in a squatting position. A bamboo shoot grows on the ground under her, and in a week, starts to press against her anal cavity, finally boring its way into her large intestine and killing her. Her family is then rounded up and shot in a systematic manner.
After telling her this, ask her if she still thinks the concept of national defence is a joke.
even saddam hussein's troops never rape people , only plunder the wealth of kuwait.
you can always give pig soap for women to bathe in so they won't get raped what.
japanese are horny freaks what , of course they'll do sexual crimes to women. -
serve already can retain citizenship here, then move overseas study and work get PR. my family still here mah, though i'll be awol across the pacific.Originally posted by hisoka:hmm if not coming back might as well dun serve? -
On the other hand , the 1998 raping and killing of the chinese has made me realise that , even though you made be a citizen of a country , you will still be perceived as an outsider.
I always told myselfs , muslims in indonesia are friendly and generally nice but ever after since 1998 , raping of their minority chinese in indonesia , i have lost my faith, cause i have the greatest respect for islam.I always thought that when someone who holds the holy book , he would respect all sanctity of his religion and other races.
So i tell myself , no matter what person , no matter what religion , the person is also still prone to commit violents act , be it christianity , buddhism , islam or hinduism.
I hate NS , and i also hate the government , but if one day the neighbouring countries around us , tries to repeat the 1998 incident in singapore
i make sure they will die.
Hope idwar sees this.
Im sorry but as long as ethnic chinese people are not welcomed by certain countries in S.E.A. NS will continue as long as it will go -
THey do select who the future leaders of SAF. depending when you met these BMTC commanders, i can tell you the past ones are better than the current ones.Originally posted by TooFree:BMTC do not groom commanders instead they groom soldiers.
I have met several outstanding BMTC commanders who although did not do well in battle operation & planning, they excel well enough in their instructional assignment in their respective command training school.
but how would one select what best for SAF when these commanders themselves do not know what's expected of them since they themselves haven't seen the operational side of SAF.
well, if you talking about instructional methods, everything in BMTC is already in lesson plans. they just follow what the lesson plans say. BUt on the intangible aspects in training them, they do not demand standards, they do not teach to convince but tekan as a show of force.
It has somehow become a culture there, "my sergeant tekan me when i was a recruit, so now it's my turn to tekan them".
Of course i am not saying everyone is like that, but i would say overwhelming numbers have done so that bmtc instuctors are stereotyped.
as for commanders selecting commanders... its really sad... i have personally seen SIT TEST assistant assessors (PC/PS/Sect comds) randomly assigning marks simple because they are tired. Since sit test scoring is somewhat confidential.... i would say he gave his detail like.... first 5 guys on the list X-number of marks. the next 3 Y-number of marks and last 3 Z-number.
So is this not a joke? -
The purpose of this school is to train soldiers with basic soldiering knowledge. Their specific roles, combat skills and knowledge will be further enhance in their respective units.Originally posted by Ponders:THey do select who the future leaders of SAF. depending when you met these BMTC commanders, i can tell you the past ones are better than the current ones.
but how would one select what best for SAF when these commanders themselves do not know what's expected of them since they themselves haven't seen the operational side of SAF.
well, if you talking about instructional methods, everything in BMTC is already in lesson plans. they just follow what the lesson plans say. BUt on the intangible aspects in training them, they do not demand standards, they do not teach to convince but tekan as a show of force.
It has somehow become a culture there, "my sergeant tekan me when i was a recruit, so now it's my turn to tekan them".
Of course i am not saying everyone is like that, but i would say overwhelming numbers have done so that bmtc instuctors are stereotyped.
as for commanders selecting commanders... its really sad... i have personally seen SIT TEST assistant assessors (PC/PS/Sect comds) randomly assigning marks simple because they are tired. Since sit test scoring is somewhat confidential.... i would say he gave his detail like.... first 5 guys on the list X-number of marks. the next 3 Y-number of marks and last 3 Z-number.
So is this not a joke?
How sure are you on the selection process? Is it solely determine by OC/PC level? Even OCS/SISPEC is not disclosing this themselves.
Indeed, the incident that you provide sadden me if it was true.
But recently I heard that they are implementing a new system whereby all commanders-hopeful will be tested together in SISPEC by more experience WOs. Hope this new system works out fine. -
The system is degenerating into a farce.
There is so much difference in the training regiment.Course outline aside, what the army and country needs to do is to make us all feel that the 2 years spent in there is worth it.It is impossible to exhort people to rise up and be counted when those that do rise up on their own account are slapped down.
However, recruits these days should also learn some form of gratitude.Your seniors have gone through 2.5 years and their training was much more siong than present.If you cannot take the training, then by all means pull your stunts or march on.It is about teaching you to make your own choices in life, to make a judgement call.
Jeez, wtf I see so many wimpy teens nowadays, all spoilt and soft, superficial and stubborn without due cause and brains.Granted, NS is a conscription and it's fair enough if you have a different work ethic outside, but virtues such as perseverance and commitment also need to be nurtured, you cannot expect them to turn themselves on automatically when you graduate/ORD and begin your career.
And for those of you who think there is zilch to learn in the army, open your eyes.There are many things you can learn, whether it's small or big.Right now, we are not the policymakers, so if it's gotta be done, at least do it well, and tactically too, as long as you don't cause inconvenience to your mates.
I did not like NS,but at least I learnt a few things about man-management and organizational behavior. -
If it is a girl, get her to go for that 2 yrs
If it is a guy, then must not have been thru NS -
in SG , life is too comfortable.
thats why pple complain.
in israel , life is hard , everyday suicide bomb blast ,
NS is definitely a necessity. to protect yourself against palestinians.
ultra orthodox jews gets to skip NS.
in korea , politicians sons pay money to avoid ns ,
people get to choose from an age from 18-28 to serve.
more flexible.at least people don't complain , unfortunate soldiers get sent to DMZ. white horses stay behind in seoul.
But a scandal has surfaced , a korean soldier recently murdered 9 of his army colleagues.This is what you get for forcing people to do NS. -
NS is important
but the management is laughable and makes others lives difficult and miserable -
In africa even worse , get recruited as freedom fighter , those so called rebels kidnap children from their parents , from young , as small childs and create them into NS man for life!
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Yes.The management is staffed with too many imbeciles.Originally posted by Rockhound:NS is important
but the management is laughable and makes others lives difficult and miserable
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In SG, not really that bad lah, but power corrupts people.
Even in communist army , got leader and got soldier one.
where got everyone equal?
communism is just a utopia. -
stupid farked up rules like
"recruits can't use the lift"
i really want to give the LTC at BMTC 1 tight slap siah
you think u are the only one in singapore paying tax ar?
i got a part in singapore also leh.
KNN.
_I_ this middle finger is for the LTC in charge of BMTC. -
Another middle finger to the management which not just forces people to serve NS , but also add torture pain and suffering to NS F.
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born with this farking liability