PR serving army
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Hey guys, just wish to get some advice from anyone of you had been in the army. I'm a Malaysian PR in singapore and thinking of going into NS just like the male singaporeans. But heard from all of my friend that it is rather boring, sien, and waste time. But i am a very sporty guy and like those physical training. Hope to get some good and bad advice.
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Boring if you're posted to Civil Defence or SPF.Originally posted by hornriper:Hey guys, just wish to get some advice from anyone of you had been in the army. I'm a Malaysian PR in singapore and thinking of going into NS just like the male singaporeans. But heard from all of my friend that it is rather boring, sien, and waste time. But i am a very sporty guy and like those physical training. Hope to get some good and bad advice.
what can you learn there? Unless you go to the army...
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i had a bunkmate also malaysian pr... well he was one the most garang around... boring or not, it depends on wat u do for ns... different ppl have diff experiences...it's not up to anyone to tell u... u will noe as u experience it
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Look, imo, it is really quite irrelevent that you think you would enjoy army life. To a certain extent, i quite enjoyed army. That does not, however, make me think that i have not wasted 2.5 years for a country that really doesn't care.
Remember, after 2.5 years, you will have almost gained no new transferable qualifications whatsoever.
So unless you want to sign on as a regular, or is able to come up with some overwhelmingly good reason, i would advise against serving NS. If you think you would like to try a little soldiering, then just go try airsoft or go on some private courses run by ex-soldiers. If you would like to try something different, or seek a like changing experience, how about participating in some voluntary overseas expedition? That would be more worthwhile and meaningful. You would also be able to make more of a difference to the world.
Hope you think you choices through carefully. -
only if you want citizenship.
if you're settling down here, your children will have to do NS anyway. might as well do it, just so you can share the stories. -
hey lwflee, u r absolutely right! i just want to experience those thing u suggested. But i have search through all the web i cant find any of those activity/courses/expedition....hope you can provide me anything u know. thanks
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There are plenty of such course in the US and in the UK. For instance, off the top of my mind, i know Stirling Services is run by ex-SAS persons and they offer some courses. I know for sure they offer a course in close protection.
I am very sure that the US, with its relaxed firearms legislation, will have more courses for you to choose from.
The cost will the quite high though.
Look, military life is really really quite boring. Sure, there are instances where things can get quite exciting, especially when you are on exercise. However, those instances are just that - Instances. And they are few and far between.
Also check your PM. -
U 1st gen or 2nd gen PR?
2nd Gen PR confirm need to serve. If u run away, then forever, u cannot come back to sg liao, if u come back, there are ppl with white helmets waiting to escort u kranji chalet.
1st gen PR, y u want to serve? u want the citizenship faster? u like military life? U like money?
Other than that, I really can't come up with good reason for u to serve. -
If u decide to go NS, remember, its siAn. Not siEn. Sian and sien (sien char boh) is quite different.Originally posted by hornriper:Hey guys, just wish to get some advice from anyone of you had been in the army. I'm a Malaysian PR in singapore and thinking of going into NS just like the male singaporeans. But heard from all of my friend that it is rather boring, sien, and waste time. But i am a very sporty guy and like those physical training. Hope to get some good and bad advice. 
Oh and if u still undecided, please be firm in watever decision u make. A HK friend of mine did NS just because he LOGICALLY thought having an SG passport is easier, no visas and all. But in the end of the day, he just could not leave his home and went back to HK and now plans to settle there permanently. Doing NS is probably his biggest regret. Made him about 3 yrs behind his peers in terms of work experience, and CASH.
So i advice u to think it through, if u go NS simply to experience it, u'll probably be disappointed. I suggest that u forget about NS, and think whether u see yourself carrying a SG passport and staying in this island 10 yrs from now. If u can see yourself doing that, then just come and join LKY's big happy dysfunctional family!!
U can help out by having more than 2 babies........ -
Sometimes i don't understand the Army/Govt.....
2nd Generation PR must serve NS because they enjoyed the economic benefits of what singapore have offered.
that's the official reason.... but take this for example.....
a father who is highly qualified is granted PR and brought his family to Singapore, his son so happens to be 18. So within 5-6 months on arriving singapore, he is serving the army.
so what economic benefits did he enjoy?
It's fair enough reason for a 2nd gen PR who lived most of their lives in SIngpaore..... but those dragged into army after 5-6 mths in singapore? that's torture.
in my NSF, 4 of my men are in such situation and i feel sad for them. they dunno much about singapore, about the people and the singlish... and they are dragged into the army.
next thing i don't understand.... my platoon... every section have 2-3 PRs. And i'm talking about an active battalion. how do you expect to stay around when war arise? -
Know of a few fellows in this situation.Thrown into a totally alien culture...one was a Russian.Originally posted by Ponders:Sometimes i don't understand the Army/Govt.....
2nd Generation PR must serve NS because they enjoyed the economic benefits of what singapore have offered.
that's the official reason.... but take this for example.....
a father who is highly qualified is granted PR and brought his family to Singapore, his son so happens to be 18. So within 5-6 months on arriving singapore, he is serving the army.
so what economic benefits did he enjoy?
It's fair enough reason for a 2nd gen PR who lived most of their lives in SIngpaore..... but those dragged into army after 5-6 mths in singapore? that's torture.
in my NSF, 4 of my men are in such situation and i feel sad for them. they dunno much about singapore, about the people and the singlish... and they are dragged into the army.
next thing i don't understand.... my platoon... every section have 2-3 PRs. And i'm talking about an active battalion. how do you expect to stay around when war arise? -
wah, seems like i got a lot of bad advice and bad comment about NS...i even had asked many of my exclassmates who serving NS, they scold me not even to think about going into so call 'hell' for pest A fren, while my pest B,C frens told me is rather boring and wasting time especially those sergeant very niao
....Jus wondering, what if Pest A pest B go into OCS or suspet(am i correct?), will be more interesting?? none of my fren went into these units because they too weak hahahah...my aim is to go into these xiong units, maybe sounds a bit crazy but, if serve army nvr go to professional units, will waste the NS time. wat u guys think? -
If you ask me honestly... my real honest opinion...Originally posted by hornriper: wah, seems like i got a lot of bad advice and bad comment about NS...i even had asked many of my exclassmates who serving NS, they scold me not even to think about going into so call 'hell' for pest A fren, while my pest B,C frens told me is rather boring and wasting time especially those sergeant very niao ....Jus wondering, what if Pest A pest B go into OCS or suspet(am i correct?), will be more interesting?? none of my fren went into these units because they too weak hahahah...my aim is to go into these xiong units, maybe sounds a bit crazy but, if serve army nvr go to professional units, will waste the NS time. wat u guys think?
ARMY is a very good organisation with a very developed set of procedures, rules and system.
if functioning properly, it can be a great place for you to commit yourself to....
however, it is people in the army that makes your work difficult...
older regulars do not buy new ideas.
newer regulars do not know new system
siao on NSFs spoil market
bo chup NSF simply bo chup.
wayang NSFs makes things worse.
so we are an army that advances slowly even thought the system in place could make it efficent.
its hard for me to illustrate now... but if you go thru the system... you will know what i mean... especially if you have a unerasonable and more senior boss. -
PR need to serve reservist or not ?
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First of all, are you a 2nd generation PR? If you are, I think you will need to serve NS in sg if i'm not wrong (can't remember if its 2nd or 3rd generation's PR)Originally posted by hornriper:Hey guys, just wish to get some advice from anyone of you had been in the army. I'm a Malaysian PR in singapore and thinking of going into NS just like the male singaporeans. But heard from all of my friend that it is rather boring, sien, and waste time. But i am a very sporty guy and like those physical training. Hope to get some good and bad advice. -
yesOriginally posted by crazy monkey:PR need to serve reservist or not ? -
so many ? last time my unit hardly any. you from support side issit ?Originally posted by Ponders:Sometimes i don't understand the Army/Govt.....
2nd Generation PR must serve NS because they enjoyed the economic benefits of what singapore have offered.
that's the official reason.... but take this for example.....
a father who is highly qualified is granted PR and brought his family to Singapore, his son so happens to be 18. So within 5-6 months on arriving singapore, he is serving the army.
so what economic benefits did he enjoy?
It's fair enough reason for a 2nd gen PR who lived most of their lives in SIngpaore..... but those dragged into army after 5-6 mths in singapore? that's torture.
in my NSF, 4 of my men are in such situation and i feel sad for them. they dunno much about singapore, about the people and the singlish... and they are dragged into the army.
next thing i don't understand.... my platoon... every section have 2-3 PRs. And i'm talking about an active battalion. how do you expect to stay around when war arise? -
Good of you to note the distinction between the system and the people .....Originally posted by Ponders:If you ask me honestly... my real honest opinion...
ARMY is a very good organisation with a very developed set of procedures, rules and system.
if functioning properly, it can be a great place for you to commit yourself to....
however, it is people in the army that makes your work difficult...
older regulars do not buy new ideas.
newer regulars do not know new system
siao on NSFs spoil market
bo chup NSF simply bo chup.
wayang NSFs makes things worse.
so we are an army that advances slowly even thought the system in place could make it efficent.
its hard for me to illustrate now... but if you go thru the system... you will know what i mean... especially if you have a unerasonable and more senior boss.
we have a pretty good system in place ... i'd admit even that ....
it's the vagaries of the people that screw things up .... -
I believe any military organization also has its fair share of screw ups. Hey look on the bright side... at least we don't have any wars to screw up.
Besides, I think its a good thing to experience screw ups, whether self caused or not. Armies are meant to screw each other up. Its the resilience to carry on despite of screw ups that segregates a proffessional army and an amateur one. -
eerr, so whaTever it means, its still not advisable to go NS right? hhmm if only NS is for 1 yrs, then i will surely go try and experience on the hard work. siennzz, why army pay so little, why army so boring, bla bla bla....Oh yah, BTW, can i go check for my pest but not to serve army?
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well... in my opinion.... no harm to go for NS.Originally posted by hornriper:eerr, so whaTever it means, its still not advisable to go NS right? hhmm if only NS is for 1 yrs, then i will surely go try and experience on the hard work. siennzz, why army pay so little, why army so boring, bla bla bla....Oh yah, BTW, can i go check for my pest but not to serve army?
but if you have no loss not going for NS, then why bother?
most PR serve NS because they want to stay around after that.
if you don't intend to stay around... then why serve?
really... NS is a good place to learn how to intereact and work with difficult people. -
no... it is combat... an active combat infantry battalion.Originally posted by crazy monkey:so many ? last time my unit hardly any. you from support side issit ?
my company... there are 16 PRs from Malaysia. india, china, pakistan, taiwan... all over the shop. -
Remembered there is PR restricted to Army and Navy nia right?
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As for those PR serving NS, from what i heard from my fren working in office(pest E fren), he said hey are the 2nd generation PR. So have no choice but to serve army..and so far he said none of of the first genearation PR willing to serve army, beause they not willing to drop their own country citizenship. Damn, i only hope tht i am 2nd generation PR, then i dun need to consider here and there to serve.
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issit ? strange. when war come i think all will run away.Originally posted by Ponders:no... it is combat... an active combat infantry battalion.
my company... there are 16 PRs from Malaysia. india, china, pakistan, taiwan... all over the shop.