Rifle Question
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I have seen the U.S army did this before, for the m4 or m16.After pulling the reloading mechanism backwards.They hit the right side of the m16/m4 at the far back.
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I gather you haven't served in the Armed Forces yet? When the magazine is empty, or for some reason, the round hasn't been chambered, the bolt(?) will stay back. You have to press a button to release the bolt into the forward position. We call it 'ease spring'.Originally posted by chronicles:I have seen the U.S army did this before, for the m4 or m16.After pulling the reloading mechanism backwards.They hit the right side of the m16/m4 at the far back.
What for?
So in this case, the soldiers you have seen were probably checking that their weapons were safe; that no rounds have been chambered.
Or if you've the soldiers doing that in the movies, then it is probably just lazy film making. Either that or the budget was so low that they couldn't even afford dummy rounds. -
should be hitting the left side ba..the ease spring thingy is at the leftOriginally posted by chronicles:I have seen the U.S army did this before, for the m4 or m16.After pulling the reloading mechanism backwards.They hit the right side of the m16/m4 at the far back.
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Hmm . You are probably correct. In that case, i have no idea what they were doing.
I think he remembered wrongly. -
The forward assist? Its the only thing on the right side of the weapon which I can think of that they would push after reloading.
If not it'll be either the magazine release or dust cover. But I truly doubt it is the magazine release that you would wanna push after you've just reloaded.
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But if you pulled the cocking handle back to chamber a round, you don't have to e-spring leh. If there's no round to chamber in, you pull the cocking handle all the way back, the bolt carrier will stay there. Then you need to e-spring to release and bring it back. Another thing, the bolt carrier ends up at the back after the last round is fired. If you do combat loading, you place a new mag and slap on the e-spring to chamber in the new round and put the bolt carrier back to the front.
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Erm..not true...if you cock the weapon w/o a mag inside the mag well, the bolt will not be held back and you need not press the bolt release to perform a ease-spring. The bolt only gets held-back when there is a mag in the mag well, but no rounds inside it.
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I believed you are refering to the Forward Assist Assembly, it is useful for quietly closing the bolt after you sneak a peek to check that a round is loaded using it to wedge the bolt shut after a stopage is "iffy" on a non FA upper, you can use the depression on the carrier as a thumb spot to close the bolt after a peek but it could be hot.
Currently, not much practice for the tatical loading of ammo in the SAF that is why most soldier do not really know the function of the Forward Assist.
Some Armed Forces has such teaching for their IA drill called SPORTS;
S lap magazine
P ull charging handle
O bserve chamber
R elease charging handle
T ap forward assist
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Actually i don't believe he is referring to the forward assist since it is usually pressed, as opposed to 'hit'.
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'Press' when you usually doing tactical loading, 'Tap' or 'Hit' when you do it as a drill... Its juz a matter of how he describe the motion wether if he did consider the speed and pressure?Originally posted by lwflee:Actually i don't believe he is referring to the forward assist since it is usually pressed, as opposed to 'hit'. -
The threadstarter is purposely setting out to confuse us and we will argue about small silly things. Grrrrrr.
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Ya... i believe he's a psychology student and he's messing with our minds!
cnut. -
I meant HIT LAR hit the bolt that side but not nesscrailty hit the bolt
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The bolt which side? This side, this side, that side, that side, which side?
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Hey according to the trainfire manuals, the informations are classified!! Lets not discuss bout this just to be safe....
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Excuse me... its a US made weapon we are toking abt...
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backsideOriginally posted by ditzy:The bolt which side? This side, this side, that side, that side, which side? -
You mean we have a proper trainfire program? You mean that our training is so systematic and standardised that we have manuals? YOU MEAN OUR TRAINFIRE MANUAL IS CALLED 'TRAINFIRE MANUAL'?Originally posted by death_burger:Hey according to the trainfire manuals, the informations are classified!! Lets not discuss bout this just to be safe....
OMFG!!1111111oneone
You traitor you....
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Do you want the latest FM on MOUT Ops and Urban Fire Support tactics for a brigade level operations?Originally posted by death_burger:Hey according to the trainfire manuals, the informations are classified!! Lets not discuss bout this just to be safe....
Gee.All these American training manuals are published..go look them up. -
I dunno man....
Whenever I got IA, I would just follow this simple drill:
1. Unload
2. Check clear
3. Reload
4. Continue shooting
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waiting for them to leak out their delta force training manuals leh .. hahaOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Do you want the latest FM on MOUT Ops and Urban Fire Support tactics for a brigade level operations?
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Yes we have a proper trainfire program, and we have manuals but i've forgotten what the manual is called.Originally posted by lwflee:You mean we have a proper trainfire program? You mean that our training is so systematic and standardised that we have manuals? YOU MEAN OUR TRAINFIRE MANUAL IS CALLED 'TRAINFIRE MANUAL'?
OMFG!!1111111oneone
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He is talking about an America M16. The M16 SAF use is made in Singapore although the mechanism is roughly the same as the America M16 but both America and Singapore have edited the M16 in some way or another. The M4A1 is the first generation of America's own M16 and if I'm not wrong, they have reach A3 generation.
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Now they are using the M16A4 the A3 was not adopted.Originally posted by tlwa:The M4A1 is the first generation of America's own M16 and if I'm not wrong, they have reach A3 generation.
Erm, I believe that the M4 falls into a completly different category, the catergory of carbine.
The first generation of the M16 I would say would be the AR15. Then the XM16E1 and XM16E2. Adopted the M16, changed to the M16A1 during the 60s -
The M-16 A4 is not much different from the A2 except that its modular. Basically, its an M-16 without a carrying handle but has RIS instead, where u can slot in scopes n stuff easily. I believe the where our handguard is, is also modular.
About or M-16s, the forward assist I believe helps when u need to silently cock ur weapon. (the stuff movies are made of!
) With a loaded mag, pull back on chargin handle, and slowly release it forward. Then tap the forward assist to make sure the round is properly loaded into the chamber.
Basically its a good habit to tap the forward assist after u load a new mag.