Another NSF died.
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i did shoot a complain to mindef regarding this issue... and they gave me a very f**k up reply. Something like this.Originally posted by Crappyz:Haha... I noticed a lot of 50-55km/h... when I was in there the speed limit was 50km/h but it really depends on the actual vehicle you drive mah... I got drive before a recce the speed go 48km/h then the SWD(speed warning device) BEEP BEEP BEEP... kao make me damn scared... but I also drive before rover go to 68km/h never BEEP one... then got command jeep can go 70km/h haven beep... Just do anything but dont get caught... see MP motocycle in your side mirror then must faster slow down...
50km/h is really slow... especially when driving on expressway... all the cars zoom past you... hahaha
I heard they got change speed limit leh to 60km/h??... but not too sure
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I refer to your suggestion to increase the speed limit of our SAF vehicles.
The relevant authority would like to inform you that the speed
limit of 50 kmh was derived after extensive deliberation of the
attributes of our transport entity. Factors such as the age-group
and proficiency of our SAF drivers and profiles of our vehicles
including size, age and operational attributes have significant
impact as to why this speed limit has yet to change even though LTA
has increased its corresponding speed limits.
Given the operational constraints that we face, we seek your
understanding that our vehicles will currently have to maintain the
speed limit of 50 kmh on our roads. However, the SAF will
constantly remind our drivers to be mindful of other public
commuters and take measures to ensure that where possible, they
will not serve as obstructions to traffic flow.
Nevertheless, please be informed that the SAF will continue to
monitor the situation and make the necessary adjustments so that
our drivers and public commuters work together to ensure a safe and
smooth journey on our roads.
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We understand and accept your point of view with regards to the
possible risks involved in travelling at 50KMH. Rest assured that
the relevant authority will monitor the situation closely to ensure
that the safety of our roads are not compromised. We seek your kind
understanding for the interim.
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The issue is not whether the drivers are mindful or not... it is the vehicle itself! They will always be an obstruction to the traffic flow loh to other road users esp on single lane roads.
I think its hopeless lah... no matter how u complain u suggest u explain.. they will just "copy and paste" this standard reply from some file and email back to u with some modifications... seriously no body wana commit and increase the speed limit in SAF... including the CSTO himself. Cos they wil foresee an increase in accident( which may not be true) if the speed limit increase by just 10 km. Den the person who decide to increase will have to ans.
Generally i think SAF drivers most of them are pretty low in morale... they dun really potray a good vehicle operator image... over used minbuses...poorly maintained vehicles... no air con no radio no comfort...who will wana be a driver...
haiz... disappointed .... talking abt saf in terms of their vehicles just make some pple fume
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Hey you know what??? I think there a point in the reply leh... but maybe should increase abit also...Originally posted by Altis84:The relevant authority would like to inform you that the speed
limit of 50 kmh was derived after extensive deliberation of the
attributes of our transport entity. Factors such as the age-group
and proficiency of our SAF drivers and profiles of our vehicles
including size, age and operational attributes have significant
impact as to why this speed limit has yet to change even though LTA
has increased its corresponding speed limits.
First thing is age-group and proficiency...
Normally new drivers will be about 18-19 years old, quite young leh...
then the proficiency part...
I got my class 4 licence(first time pass) in less than 2 months leh!!!
Wah!! actually quite dangerous since not much experience... but got Vcom to share blame... hahaha
Then the size part... a 3 ton hit civilian car i think the car can scrap liao... then the 3 ton only scratch abit...
age part... I drive many different types of military vehicles before... then if not wrong most may be more than 10 years old, only recently they got the new air conditioned 5 ton...
I drive one command jeep(manual) onto public road then while the car is moving, the engine went dead!! You may say engine die very normal wat... but hor... where got engine die when on the car is moving one???
So having speed limit is good, but maybe they abit too prudent here... -
First of all, our 90km/hr speed limit is already pharking slow compared to overseas. Fair enuff, singapore smaller, more cars. But letting SAF vehicles go at 80km/h, a good 10 km/hr under the norm is not a very big risk wad.
80km/h is a very controllable speeds for most vehicles. 5 tonners inclusive. Its a hell lot faster that 50km/h and drivers wont fall asleep halfway driving long distances. I would think its a win win situation. -
need to change religion firstOriginally posted by AF2005:sad.
it should be investigate first before sending to DB or punishment.
thats why NS better go civil defence or police.
life would have been different for him. -
60 km/hour is fair.
70/80/90 is not that good.
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I agree in part. This appleis even to non drivers who operate SAF vehicles. Altough there are supposed to be rules governing how much rest a driver/rider must have before driving (via the mech of the RAM form), it does not always work in practice.Originally posted by Shotgun:Seriously speaking, SAF has to look into their entire Military Transport system. When I was at my unit, i hate going out as veh comm. Our journeys can easily take 1 and a half hour travelling across Singapore. Why? Cos our bloody vehicles are limited to 50-55km/h.
Why are there accidents? Because ppl fall asleep driving for so long. Why is the journey so long? Cos our bloody vehicles are limited to 50-55km/h. As a Veh Comm, I admit I've fallen asleep b4. Its terrible cos I'm supposed to make sure the driver doesn't fall asleep. But how? Journey really too long... cannot stop for coffee break along the way somemore.
In short, there will never be a shortage of accidents whether minor or major. Why?
Cos our bloody vehicles are limited to 50-55km/h.
No one will dare admit they fall asleep while driving. Not SAF drivers anyway, but the fact is, quite a lot of them do accidentally nod off sometimes. Esp concluding long exercises. What to do? SAF don't rest their drivers well, and make them go on long trips. Long Cos our bloody vehicles are limited to 50-55km/h. .
I remember riding from the west to the east on SAF bikes before. That was after 3 days in the field. I actually drifted off whilst riding and when i came to i had switched lanes on the express way! -
This, i dun agree. I am not a driver but i can imagine the stopping distance of a 5 tonner would be very huge. Also the consequences of an accident is so serious that i think the benefits of increasing the speed limit must the overwhelming before any changes is made.Originally posted by Shotgun:.
80km/h is a very controllable speeds for most vehicles. 5 tonners inclusive. Its a hell lot faster that 50km/h and drivers wont fall asleep halfway driving long distances. I would think its a win win situation. -
the NSF can't say no.
he was forced into driver service -
Well below should be the recommend speed limits loh
GP car:90 to 100
Minibus/pickup/landrover/1.5ton/jeep/bus:60
5ton/3ton/7ton/8ton or bigger:55
currently
Gp car:80
the rest all 50 or even slower.
they clamied that their vehicles are old... i wonder what happens during an emergency... will all these vehicles able to perfom... haha mite end up seeing a commander struggling to start his jeep cos its engine just died suddenly on the expressway... haha. -
no lah...Originally posted by Altis84:Well below should be the recommend speed limits loh
GP car:90 to 100
Minibus/pickup/landrover/1.5ton/jeep/bus:60
5ton/3ton/7ton/8ton or bigger:55
currently
Gp car:80
the rest all 50 or even slower.
they clamied that their vehicles are old... i wonder what happens during an emergency... will all these vehicles able to perfom... haha mite end up seeing a commander struggling to start his jeep cos its engine just died suddenly on the expressway... haha.
u end up seeing the commander doin traffic marshalling duties...
then ppl drive past u n honk n point middle finger...
happened to me on many occasions...
expressway some more...
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Meaning that those with criminal record don't deserve their BA degree? How to survive in our competitive job market?Originally posted by DriftingGuy:Its a criminal record..
If you are applying for uni 2 weeks of DB will basically void your application..
I can forsee Yellow Ribbon will be a flop. -
The commander will not actually help to start the jeep... coz the commander usually dun know anything about the vehicle... more likely is the commander F the driver non stop... cursing swearing him why never maintain vehicle...Originally posted by Altis84:they clamied that their vehicles are old... i wonder what happens during an emergency... will all these vehicles able to perfom... haha mite end up seeing a commander struggling to start his jeep cos its engine just died suddenly on the expressway... haha. -
have to check out. the part in the form have to fill in, its just for record administration purpose and it stays secret in the admin only. you can still study to PHD.Originally posted by iveco:Meaning that those with criminal record don't deserve their BA degree? How to survive in our competitive job market?
I can forsee Yellow Ribbon will be a flop.
getting scholarships and bursaries are a differrent matter.
there will be indepth interviews.
it is the right of the citizens regardless chraged with any crime to education.
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Originally posted by AF2005:it is the right of the citizens regardless chraged with any crime to education.
When you register with any university, they will always ask whether you have been convicted of any crime or something... you have the right to study... but the school might not want you... -
There will be interviews to access candidates on individuals basis. . There will be chances, and also depends on types of offences. very strictly confidential in admin side.Originally posted by Crappyz:
When you register with any university, they will always ask whether you have been convicted of any crime or something... you have the right to study... but the school might not want you...
Schools is to provide education including to those on the mend. -
What is most important is that the people running the whole maintenance package for our vehicles better buck up.Without going into details, let's just say that there won't be just one Commander effing the driver on the road if the DAY really comes.
It's almost belly-flopping funny how the management never realises the full importance of spares support in Logistics and how they train or monitor the actual performance of the regular techs in service.Shameful to say the least.
The SSSOs, I hope, are getting the real feed from the ground, because whatever 3G Army we are trying to portray, is but a slick advertisment designed to attract wannabes to join up, who will see a whole different SAF once they have signed the dotted line.If basic maintenance is not even done at the lowest level, the network-centric force theory and program can be used as play-doh.
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Well...This guy you all been talking about was my campmate. Actually the main reason as in why he committed suicide was not only due to the accident case which his DB punishment was on pending. He was already quite well-prepared for the DB actually 'cause he knew what to do before taking order charge. There's another incident leading to his death...Originally posted by freedom4ever:what i heard is he commit sucide at lim chu kang. anyone knows which camp he is from?
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what is it? say leh. ppl here very curious. i already know which camp liao cos paper got mention.Originally posted by MiniCooper:Well...This guy you all been talking about was my campmate. Actually the main reason as in why he committed suicide was not only due to the accident case which his DB punishment was on pending. He was already quite well-prepared for the DB actually 'cause he knew what to do before taking order charge. There's another incident leading to his death... -
lets spare a thought for the deceased instead of gossiping about it here shall we?
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Agreed.Use the PM function if you must.And let's keep this thread solemn.Originally posted by Gordonator:lets spare a thought for the deceased instead of gossiping about it here shall we?