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Thought confirm replacing with Accuracy International L96A1 already?
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yeah...thats the replacement...Originally posted by SpecOps87:Thought confirm replacing with Accuracy International L96A1 already? -
u are SO right about the assessment part.Originally posted by Incedrius:Think of it as a long kick in the nuts... At the end of which ADF troopers are supposedly able to know enough to join the regular companies without tripping over their own feet.In practice... Like in so many other schools and courses, some critical lessons are only taught once, then trainees are given ONE chance to try it out in the field, and that one time trying it out in the field is ALSO an assesment.
But make no mistake, despite its shortcomings, CQC is tough! Hell, I should know... I was a trainee under Master Ross, when he was still a Staff, over at 3 Guards... And I fully understand the problems that the training cadre face; it's not easy getting the troopers fully up to spec in less than .
Oh and to know what BPV is... look at the thread title!
As for MSG Ross...i tell ya so far for me in the army...he is the ONLY person who can really strike fear in me...i get goosebumps just hearing him shouting. He really won't give a damn who u are, officer or not...but i really respect him, he knows his stuff and is a damn good teacher...
regard the bpv...read in the papers the porcelain(or is it ceramic) plate consists of 20 layers....during a test using a 5.56mm bullet....it penetrated until to 18th layer or something.... -
Hmm, I didn't know news was out so fast? Is this the final result? Got a source for it? Not that I dont believe you... Id just like to see where the information came from.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Thought confirm replacing with Accuracy International L96A1 already?
I wasn't from 4th CQC. But I was there when Ross himself was a trainee during Ex. Born Free. Interesting to see him get stressed out over a VCP.
But the things that occurred during that VCP really showed me the main problem in CQC. No details... But RSM himself decided that it was no point assessing when troopers hardly knew the basics. Better use the opportunity to teach and have field practice. -
yes.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Thought confirm replacing with Accuracy International L96A1 already? -
Told to me by Snipers during last yr's AOH at SAFTI MI. Also,if not mistaken snipers from 6SIR, Protection of Installation Unit is actually using the Swiss made Sig-Sauer SSG3000 7.62X51(.31) calibre sniping rifle.
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Ah you were there too eh.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Told to me by Snipers during last yr's AOH at SAFTI MI. Also,if not mistaken snipers from 6SIR, Protection of Installation Unit is actually using the Swiss made Sig-Sauer SSG3000 7.62X51(.31) calibre sniping rifle. Did you try the SOF's stall's activity? -
guys, i know it must be really exciting to have passed a demanding course, learnt new stuff and tried extraordinary things. but before you post here, please hold back on your excitement, pause for awhile and ask yourself if what you are going to post is public-domain knowledge. if it is not, or if you are even in doubt, please do not post it here. we don't want the forum implicated for leak of sensitive information. worse still, we do not want to be the source of such a leak! we can never be sure who is reading all these, and what they are trying to glean off what we write! something harmless and inocuous to you may be lucrative information that forms part of the jigsaw for someone else!
thanks!
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Anti Material Rifles like the M82 is quite useful and should be adopted by the Army..if there's a scenerio where there's a group of robbers hiding behind a car firing at the police...the snipers using the M82 can just shoot at the car blocking the robbers and he'll be shot...
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Haha,yeah.Wouldn't have missed it for the world. But this year's NDP Celebration by the Bay,the SOF small-scale "Killhouse" is better then the one last year at AOH.Haha,anyway,SAF also uses the H&K MSG90 for urban areas.Still love the way the MP5 shoots,the lack of recoil and the speed of it.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Ah you were there too eh. Did you try the SOF's stall's activity? -
Me and a fellow tech tried it.The reflex dot is not exactly a very reliable piece of equipment, but then again, it was abused by so many kids.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Haha,yeah.Wouldn't have missed it for the world. But this year's NDP Celebration by the Bay,the SOF small-scale "Killhouse" is better then the one last year at AOH.Haha,anyway,SAF also uses the H&K MSG90 for urban areas.Still love the way the MP5 shoots,the lack of recoil and the speed of it. -
Interesting... Haven't heard about the SSG3000 being used by us before. The AI rifle yes... But never from an official source. It hasn't been officially acknowledged, as far as I know. Which is why I was more interested in knowing SO87's source than the info itself.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Told to me by Snipers during last yr's AOH at SAFTI MI. Also,if not mistaken snipers from 6SIR, Protection of Installation Unit is actually using the Swiss made Sig-Sauer SSG3000 7.62X51(.31) calibre sniping rifle.
Hmm, anyway, all the stuff posted here about limitations in training is common for most schools and courses. Don't worry, I think we self-censor alot of what we write here. But if we DO step outta line with regards to OPSEC, we'll button it up. -
If you find any posts out of order, just drop us a line and we'll do a look-see.Originally posted by Incedrius:Interesting... Haven't heard about the SSG3000 being used by us before. The AI rifle yes... But never from an official source. It hasn't been officially acknowledged, as far as I know. Which is why I was more interested in knowing SO87's source than the info itself.
Hmm, anyway, all the stuff posted here about limitations in training is common for most schools and courses. Don't worry, I think we self-censor alot of what we write here. But if we DO step outta line with regards to OPSEC, we'll button it up.
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A car does not offer much protection from small arms fire, hiding behind a car is concealment not cover. Most common handgun rounds are capable of penetrating the vehicle into the passenger compartment.Originally posted by ceecookie:Anti Material Rifles like the M82 is quite useful and should be adopted by the Army..if there's a scenerio where there's a group of robbers hiding behind a car firing at the police...the snipers using the M82 can just shoot at the car blocking the robbers and he'll be shot...
In a test using an AR-15 5.56 rifle, the rifle was fired at the front of the vehicle. The rounds that did not hit the engine traveled through the firewall and dash, through both front and rear seats into the rear storage compartment and exited through the bumper.
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Definitely a sedan will provide very little cover for anyone hiding behind one.Anyway,please note the info about 6SIR snipers using the Sig-Sauer SSG3000 is seen as during SAF Day,there was a exhibition at my school showcasing the weaponry of the various arms of the SAF.6SIR was sent there, and besides the good old Styer SSG for field sniping being exhibitied, got to feel the Sig Sauer SSG3000 also. Definitely heavier compared to the L96A1 or Styer SSG.
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Interesting, thanks. Didn't know about the SSG3000.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Definitely a sedan will provide very little cover for anyone hiding behind one.Anyway,please note the info about 6SIR snipers using the Sig-Sauer SSG3000 is seen as during SAF Day,there was a exhibition at my school showcasing the weaponry of the various arms of the SAF.6SIR was sent there, and besides the good old Styer SSG for field sniping being exhibitied, got to feel the Sig Sauer SSG3000 also. Definitely heavier compared to the L96A1 or Styer SSG.
My earlier remark about OPSEC was more directed at Wuming. I understand his concern at possible revelation of sensitive info... But nothing so far said by troopers from ahem... XXX are really different from that of many other courses. And information about courses is splashed in the ST and the Net. As is the fact that *some* units are trained in OOTW and blue-role stuff. It's been public-domain knowledge for quite some time now. Of course, we won't go into details about exactly what we do (OPSEC) but cmon, manning a VCP is hardly secret-squirrel stuff.
About the only possible thing remotely sensitive was the fact that sometimes (often?) due to time constraints, troops are not trained as well as they should in schools and courses. Should this be kept secret? As a mod, you decide, and we'll respect the decision.
Of course, we should also self-censor our posts. But I just didn't see anything posted so far that warranted Wuming issuing a warning about possible OPSEC breaching, as well-intentioned as the warning may have been. If his post was just pre-emptive... err... ok, thanks for the warning mod