questions abt being a Auto Tech B
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Not too sure bout the comms and turret mechs as i'm an A mech. As far as i know, the centralisation of A mechs is already implemented at all armour camps. As for me working in a reservists camp (guess?), my unit will only be affected next year.
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If i am not wrong all A mechs will be centralising in 3GSMC situated in Sungel Gedong Camp isn't it?Originally posted by lem0nade:Not too sure bout the comms and turret mechs as i'm an A mech. As far as i know, the centralisation of A mechs is already implemented at all armour camps. As for me working in a reservists camp (guess?), my unit will only be affected next year. -
Sorry..just to correct your misinformation ... 2 outstanding NSFs from eacn section will become the section IC and 2IC respectively... this implementation allows the NSFs to play a bigger role till they completed the 10 years of NSmen cycles. As for the regulars (technicians), they are required to change their current roles of operating and in terms of technical and ops trainings they will become the mentors. coaches or trainers to the NSFs ... so good luck to those NSFs that were selected to be the section IC or 2IC...Originally posted by lem0nade:The centralisation of all B mech under 9dsmb and A mech under 6dsmb means that not all nsfs will get their 3sg from now due to the re-organization of the estab. The army or rather hq mes wants to cut the number of specs in these vocations and instead will promote the outstanding nsfs to 3sg and become section 2ic of the tech squad. A regular will become the section ic. -
I can understand for the Auto Techs..but Armt Techs?Many of the roles and responsibilities held by the 2WOs and MSGs as Section ICs right now, cannot be handed over to a mere 3SG.It's not so simple, because they deal with many external parties and agencies..Originally posted by eati:Sorry..just to correct your misinformation ... 2 outstanding NSFs from eacn section will become the section IC and 2IC respectively... this implementation allows the NSFs to play a bigger role till they completed the 10 years of NSmen cycles. As for the regulars (technicians), they are required to change their current roles of operating and in terms of technical and ops trainings they will become the mentors. coaches or trainers to the NSFs ... so good luck to those NSFs that were selected to be the section IC or 2IC...
And these agencies will not deal with a 20 year old 3SG especially when it comes to major maintenance issues. -
You r rite to say that some of the current roles(such as the dealings with external parties and agencies)... that are held by the Senior WOSEs cannot be handed over to the NSFs ... fyi..to my understanding, with this new implementation, these WOSEs will not run out of jobs...this is because some of these senior WOSEs will be transferred to COY HQ, when comes to major maintenance issues, they will still be the ones to manage it....cheers!Originally posted by LazerLordz:I can understand for the Auto Techs..but Armt Techs?Many of the roles and responsibilities held by the 2WOs and MSGs as Section ICs right now, cannot be handed over to a mere 3SG.It's not so simple, because they deal with many external parties and agencies.. And these agencies will not deal with a 20 year old 3SG especially when it comes to major maintenance issues. -
The flaw in this plan is that it merely pushes maintenance issues that can and should be handled on the ground, up to HQMES or BN HQ, where the time factor adds in more barriers to resolving issues.External agencies do prefer to go to the ground and see and react accordingly, instead of having to go through another layer of bureaucracy.One more thing that is a barrier, is that some of the senior WOSEs are not proficient in HQ work due to a difference of focus over the years and their relatively low proficiency in IT(though many are working to remove tha barrier).Originally posted by eati:You r rite to say that some of the current roles(such as the dealings with external parties and agencies)... that are held by the Senior WOSEs cannot be handed over to the NSFs ... fyi..to my understanding, with this new implementation, these WOSEs will not run out of jobs...this is because some of these senior WOSEs will be transferred to COY HQ, when comes to major maintenance issues, they will still be the ones to manage it....cheers!
I've been thinking about this whole plan for a while, and the more I look at it, the only merit is that it saves money, and might actually have an impact on the operational efficiency of the techs and the units they support.But then again, I can't influence the input of doctrine, I'm just an NSman lol. -
I'm not too sure its is creating another layer of bureaucracy or delayering it or not ...and you r rite again that most of us can't influence the input of doctrine..I guess this is what the ppl from the top level use to say, it is part of the changes whereby the SAF needs to move towards the 3G Army. Just hope that the outcome is a postive one lor...Originally posted by LazerLordz:The flaw in this plan is that it merely pushes maintenance issues that can and should be handled on the ground, up to HQMES or BN HQ, where the time factor adds in more barriers to resolving issues.External agencies do prefer to go to the ground and see and react accordingly, instead of having to go through another layer of bureaucracy.One more thing that is a barrier, is that some of the senior WOSEs are not proficient in HQ work due to a difference of focus over the years and their relatively low proficiency in IT(though many are working to remove tha barrier).
I've been thinking about this whole plan for a while, and the more I look at it, the only merit is that it saves money, and might actually have an impact on the operational efficiency of the techs and the units they support.But then again, I can't influence the input of doctrine, I'm just an NSman lol. -
Yeah, I'm keeping a close tab on it..cuz it might affect where I end up on reservist..if any.Originally posted by eati:I'm not too sure its is creating another layer of bureaucracy or delayering it or not ...and you r rite again that most of us can't influence the input of doctrine..I guess this is what the ppl from the top level use to say, it is part of the changes whereby the SAF needs to move towards the 3G Army. Just hope that the outcome is a postive one lor...
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current changes is such that a new concept has been hatched out frm HQMES, a new Direct support(DSMS) platoon is formed in each maintainence battallion company.. the plan has juz been hatched n tried out in Ex wallaby 2005. i was part of this DSMS section that was attached to 41SAR during frame 2 ex. the concept is that fo A Mechs like me to be able to do up to 8 hr jobs, fellow A mechs u would understand...meaning now DSMS will be the bridge between tech squad and AMC, thus, reducing the strain on the CAT team repairs outfield
as for auto tech B, usually they are attached to AMC and CAT teams during ops, providing support in the HMTV/LMTV, and MB 2636. -
Been in DSMB for two years
Seriously, i dont like some things that are happening now, and i shall just speak of them in general
First is the increasing privatisation of maintenance jobs. Heck, army mechanics, esp in my unit, have to juggle the role of a soldier and a mechanic, so the skils and experience we acquired isnt much for two years.
Went around to talk to Indeco and Delgro contractors i worked with, most are not from a maintenance unit or subunits. Meaning in times of operations or combat, they will be recalled back to SCDF or combat units from which they are reservists. This mean we are facing decreasing pool of trained field capable army mechanics.
Second is the frigging bureaucracy LL and the rest are talking about. Hmm, been battling darn superiors who only go by the MAC, and not what is actually happening on the ground. My OC got fed up with the HQ, he insisted every darn OCT or officer coming into the coy gain some weeks of groundwork before moving into the office.
Good move though, I begun to experience conversing with officers who are on same frequency with the ground staff Bear in mind some of these officers are regulars, so in time, they are also part of the decision making team in the HQ. -
This is the main concern I have regarding the centralisation of techs.By cutting down the pool of NSF techs, and forcing the regulars to adopt a dual-role job scope, we are dealing with a future SAF that has very little deployable techs in ops.Originally posted by laurence82:Been in DSMB for two years
Seriously, i dont like some things that are happening now, and i shall just speak of them in general
First is the increasing privatisation of maintenance jobs. Heck, army mechanics, esp in my unit, have to juggle the role of a soldier and a mechanic, so the skils and experience we acquired isnt much for two years.
Went around to talk to Indeco and Delgro contractors i worked with, most are not from a maintenance unit or subunits. Meaning in times of operations or combat, they will be recalled back to SCDF or combat units from which they are reservists. This mean we are facing decreasing pool of trained field capable army mechanics.
Second is the frigging bureaucracy LL and the rest are talking about. Hmm, been battling darn superiors who only go by the MAC, and not what is actually happening on the ground. My OC got fed up with the HQ, he insisted every darn OCT or officer coming into the coy gain some weeks of groundwork before moving into the office.
Good move though, I begun to experience conversing with officers who are on same frequency with the ground staff Bear in mind some of these officers are regulars, so in time, they are also part of the decision making team in the HQ.
Note that privatisation has been really implemented at a faster rate than I had thought would happen.The CMAT concept, is supposedly one that allows for rapid deployment of a cross-trained tech squad from a central workshop, however, this means that there won't be any organic tech force within a single unit in time of ops.
And surely we cannot rely on contractors to support us in ops because like what you have said, they are ironically, non-technician trained reservists.There is a vacuum here that needs to be fixed.
The new idea of having technicians go for leadership training is sound, but that might impact on their technical knowledge which is not something gained overnight like combat related skills.Like it or not, the army technician deals with the private sector much more than your average combatant, and he knows how and why things work
, and I feel that we are in a no-win situation now.
As for the narrowminded superiors, I've not met much, but in the course of work(I was in LMIS), there were many who fail to understand the big picture of system maintenance and would often want to seek short-cuts for problems, and eventually cause a larger mess, which us sys admins would be blamed.
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Hmm, i think i made a mistake with the MAC
Whats the official name of the repair and maintenance manual again? -
MAC = Maintenance Allocation Chart (guidelines to tell you what are the types of level and time needed for different repairs)Originally posted by laurence82:Hmm, i think i made a mistake with the MAC
Whats the official name of the repair and maintenance manual again?
Workshop Manual = repair and maintenance manual
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