NSmen dies during RT.
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Strange isn't it?
Always got people die nowadays...why last time don't have such frequences?
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Last time cover up.
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Would it be fair to say that if he had passed his fitness test in the first place, he wouldn't not have ended up like this? No offence intended.
R.I.P. -
But now where's the people doing the cover up?Originally posted by kingcuttlefish:Last time cover up. -
Now more educated people like to poke around for their rights.
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You like tat say not fair leh. Imagine this, u r working rotating shift work including weekends. On your offdays, u r bz doing ur personal things.....no time for training. And also u r in your 30s........stamina drops too. like tat how to train for IPPT leh. U still in your 20s huh? U whitehorse huh?Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Would it be fair to say that if he had passed his fitness test in the first place, he wouldn't not have ended up like this? No offence intended.
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well for one,i know that maju camp pti are actually really slack already in their training.How do i know? i went for RT twice there already and both time the training is really relax,i have friends who went there too for RT and they tell me if they wonder it is any form of RT at all as the exercise done are so light.
So i doubt we can blame the PTIs.What is to blame is the stressful working life in singapore and too much good food around leaving some finding it hard to keep up their fitness and be more healty.Most servicemen do not know their real limits and since RT is a hog of servicemen's time,some of these servicemen push themselves way too hard to try to pass the test so they will get out after phase 1(esp 2.4 km run),result when they push themselves too hard thinking they can do it when they actually can't will result in such cases.
I can understand it cos i am doing that now too,everytime i run 2.4km,i am not feeling good but try to push myself to finish it to get it over with and after finishing it,i will almost totally collapse from the heat and physical exhaustion....haiz a far comparision to those easily attained below 9.00 timing during my peak years in full time NS.
So it will be good if they actually adjust the 2.4km requirement,it is a killer for people who can't get themselves even partially fit. -
That guy is 35 years old already,do you even think it is easy to keep yourself even partially fit at that age when you have heavy work duties and likely a more busy family lifeOriginally posted by Kuali Baba:Would it be fair to say that if he had passed his fitness test in the first place, he wouldn't not have ended up like this? No offence intended.
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RIP to the man and his family.Originally posted by Aveme:That guy is 35 years old already,do you even think it is easy to keep yourself even partially fit at that age when you have heavy work duties and likely a more busy family life
Keeping fit is your own choice, and if you know that you cannot reach the levels required of you, please get a medical opinion and ensure you are not unfairly classified.
Okay, frankly speaking, it's not hard to keep fit, if you are focused on it.You can always exercise in between busy periods, and it need not be power runs etc.
Taking a brisk walk up and down your office stairwell, do some light jogging around your block before you have dinner, not that hard isn't it.No one's trying to get you to block a whole half-day to go to the gym, and besides, so many working people have to time and the money to burn on gym membership..
Excuses?Maybe.But still, your life, your choices.I made mine a long time ago, and I will not be encumbered by the system. -
Firstly - my condolences, RIP to a fellow revervist.
I'm also past 35 years old. Although I don't have any known problems - I do get worried sometimes. Mindef better take a good look at its medical procedures. The expect high standards from our servicemen, as if we are fulltime professional soldiers, but how many have died this year to causes undetected during medical checkups??
The last time I went for my FFI at 35 - I didn't even receive any results.
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I agreed with the rest of people.
They should have a more detailed medical examination of the NS men.
Not for the purpose of kenging, but to be able to single out genuine case of heart cases so that such cases do not happen any more.
Spare a thought for his wife and his childrens.
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NSmen should be accorded a stricter medical FFI due to their age.Originally posted by Medicated Oil:I agreed with the rest of people.
They should have a more detailed medical examination of the NS men.
Not for the purpose of kenging, but to be able to single out genuine case of heart cases so that such cases do not happen any more.
Spare a thought for his wife and his childrens.
I shared the sadness with the family. -
can't be ralph.. he is a nice guy... worked with him when he was back in HQ armour as chief PTI....Originally posted by Manager433:I thought is the old man with white hair, always talk dirty de?
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keeping fit exercising is a different matter from passing a test.Originally posted by LazerLordz:RIP to the man and his family.
Keeping fit is your own choice, and if you know that you cannot reach the levels required of you, please get a medical opinion and ensure you are not unfairly classified.
Okay, frankly speaking, it's not hard to keep fit, if you are focused on it.You can always exercise in between busy periods, and it need not be power runs etc.
Taking a brisk walk up and down your office stairwell, do some light jogging around your block before you have dinner, not that hard isn't it.No one's trying to get you to block a whole half-day to go to the gym, and besides, so many working people have to time and the money to burn on gym membership..
Excuses?Maybe.But still, your life, your choices.I made mine a long time ago, and I will not be encumbered by the system. -
The test is useful, save for the over-zealous 2.4km timing and the SBJ, IMHO.Originally posted by kingcuttlefish:keeping fit exercising is a different matter from passing a test. -
FFI is a show.Originally posted by Medicated Oil:I agreed with the rest of people.
They should have a more detailed medical examination of the NS men.
Not for the purpose of kenging, but to be able to single out genuine case of heart cases so that such cases do not happen any more.
Spare a thought for his wife and his childrens.
I shared the sadness with the family. -
well i say it is too easy for you to talk when you are not in that guy's shoes.How much do you know about him and think that your perception of keeping fit is easy and can apply to him easily as well.Do you know his working life schedule (it is a known fact that lots of white collar workers do tons of OT now),family pressure issue as well as maybe him having to take care of his aged parents commitments?Some people may just be too pressurized from these and keeping even partially fit may not be a piority to him.So unless you guys know him well,please do not try to make it as if it is his fault for not keeping fit,there maybe some people out there who really has really little of what you guys term free time.Originally posted by LazerLordz:RIP to the man and his family.
Keeping fit is your own choice, and if you know that you cannot reach the levels required of you, please get a medical opinion and ensure you are not unfairly classified.
Okay, frankly speaking, it's not hard to keep fit, if you are focused on it.You can always exercise in between busy periods, and it need not be power runs etc.
Taking a brisk walk up and down your office stairwell, do some light jogging around your block before you have dinner, not that hard isn't it.No one's trying to get you to block a whole half-day to go to the gym, and besides, so many working people have to time and the money to burn on gym membership..
Excuses?Maybe.But still, your life, your choices.I made mine a long time ago, and I will not be encumbered by the system.
I blame the RT system cos it is rigid and if serviceman get it,they may just push themselves too hard so as to get out of it fast.I know they have already made the RT system more flexible now already but i feel it is not enough esp when you have to go back on weekdays.Going back on weekdays really clash too much with a busy working schedule,the pressure in these days of easy retrenchment/sacking mount even higher when you have to make more time to go back for training on working days.So this result in servicemen sometimes pushing themselves too hard than what is good for them so they can get out of this RT system as fast as possible.
If the RT system is replanned in a way where each serviceman can choose each individual free day (instead of sticking to a fix schedule whether you like it or not) for doing his RT,there will be less stress to over push themselves. -
Can pass ippt means can pass.
Cannot pass means cannot pass.
So why must we take RT when we had too many committments? -
on the other hand...there are 40 year olds getting IPPT GOLD. And its CAT X Gold standard.Originally posted by Manager433:IPPT should stops at the age of 30. Imagine, running IPPT @ the age of 35 and above. Can die man! -
Ever heard of "One type of rice feeds hundred types of people"?Originally posted by Hellraiza:on the other hand...there are 40 year olds getting IPPT GOLD. And its CAT X Gold standard.
. Similar case where you cannot tell a kid who does not get distinction for his/her studies: "Your friend can get it, why can't you?". If every single kid in this world can score distinction and be scholar, then I will agree using comparison notion.
You have to take into consideration of different people conditions, such as:
1) Family commitment and background (i.e. # of kids, parents to take care of, any special condition - e.g. parent with chronic disease, etc)
2) Work commitment & stress (i.e. shift/irregular work, stress - esp. in small companies where manpower is limited and internal/external customers are demanding, etc)
3) Physical condition (i.e. condition/non-condition, obese/lean, sufficient/undisturbed rest/sleep, health condition, age, etc)
4) Income (i.e need to work multiple jobs to support high cost of living nowadays or family commitment, etc)
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not everybody has the same kind of body condition ma...... some ppl are blessed some arent...Originally posted by Hellraiza:on the other hand...there are 40 year olds getting IPPT GOLD. And its CAT X Gold standard. -
I'm agree with what you are saying, I'm just talking about general fitness level .The SAF RT system should be made truly liberalised and NSmen should not be punished too harshly for not meeting the standards.Originally posted by Aveme:well i say it is too easy for you to talk when you are not in that guy's shoes.How much do you know about him and think that your perception of keeping fit is easy and can apply to him easily as well.Do you know his working life schedule (it is a known fact that lots of white collar workers do tons of OT now),family pressure issue as well as maybe him having to take care of his aged parents commitments?Some people may just be too pressurized from these and keeping even partially fit may not be a piority to him.So unless you guys know him well,please do not try to make it as if it is his fault for not keeping fit,there maybe some people out there who really has really little of what you guys term free time.
I blame the RT system cos it is rigid and if serviceman get it,they may just push themselves too hard so as to get out of it fast.I know they have already made the RT system more flexible now already but i feel it is not enough esp when you have to go back on weekdays.Going back on weekdays really clash too much with a busy working schedule,the pressure in these days of easy retrenchment/sacking mount even higher when you have to make more time to go back for training on working days.So this result in servicemen sometimes pushing themselves too hard than what is good for them so they can get out of this RT system as fast as possible.
If the RT system is replanned in a way where each serviceman can choose each individual free day (instead of sticking to a fix schedule whether you like it or not) for doing his RT,there will be less stress to over push themselves. -
Looks like it'll be all over the news later today..
First its NSF..now NSmen....
maybe soon they'll stop NS altogether?? -
Your maybe will never come true.Originally posted by RvnRooRon84:Looks like it'll be all over the news later today..
First its NSF..now NSmen....
maybe soon they'll stop NS altogether?? 
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Anyway, is there any running group in central that have regular training in the weekends and welcome newbie? -
I also agreed some of the station like standing broad jump is risky as it has pontential to cause slipped disc. In fact, a PTI told us once practice tuck jump can have higher chance to pass standing broad jump, more effective. Tuck jump can also cause slipped disc for ur information.Originally posted by Medicated Oil:I agreed with the rest of people.
They should have a more detailed medical examination of the NS men.
Not for the purpose of kenging, but to be able to single out genuine case of heart cases so that such cases do not happen any more.
Spare a thought for his wife and his childrens.
I shared the sadness with the family.