Why are Guards called Guards?
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OMGOriginally posted by Gordonator:btw, that's no a sword.
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Even the chinese label for Guards is Jin4 Wei4 Bing1. ("near defense soldiers")Originally posted by ferryman2393:Why Guards are called Guards? Security guard job scope maybe.
Historically, that's what Guards do i.e. guarding those kings and queens or whoever ruled the country. In Singapore context, maybe guarding LKY - no Sultans to guard, what.
You could be right. The monarch always have a skilled group of people around him. Think the Red Guards around Emperor Palpatine, the 4 elephant warriors from Tom Yum Goong, even Zhan Zhao (the Jade Cat) in Justice Bao shows.
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The Guards logo is way more cool than the commando one.Originally posted by NT2:y Gds the sword point down and whereas Cdo the sword point up? 
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dagger? hand knife or wat u call ttOriginally posted by Gordonator:btw, that's no a sword. -
guards is bayonet. commando is stiletto.Originally posted by NT2:dagger? hand knife or wat u call tt -
Talking abt bayonet, recently saw a couple of ADF polo t shirt lurking round. Front logo is a simple triangle enclose with a bayonet pointing up, behind is written ADF, AlWAYs READY. Something like that. Front looks like Delta Force logo from far.Originally posted by Gordonator:guards is bayonet. commando is stiletto. -
A stiletto is a form of dagger.Originally posted by Gordonator:guards is bayonet. commando is stiletto.
Anyway both bayonet and stiletto are used for stabbing. Bayonets are used in the open, stiletto are used by assassins. -
Well, honestly, CDO,Guards,Infantry, AI are all Infantry. CDO=Airborne Infantry, Guards=Heli-borne Infantry (something like the cavalry troopers in "We Were Soldiers"), Infantry(needless to say the boots on the ground), AI similar to cavalry too.
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Diver====> All Rounder (Air, Land, Sea)Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well, honestly, CDO,Guards,Infantry, AI are all Infantry. CDO=Airborne Infantry, Guards=Heli-borne Infantry (something like the cavalry troopers in "We Were Soldiers"), Infantry(needless to say the boots on the ground), AI similar to cavalry too.
CDO====> Airborne Specialize (land)
Gurads----> Gurads actually to be exact is not elite troops....They are
like US marines......strategy solider.....i,e Specialize on something
like Heli-borne........They are to react fast to capture objective....
Just like they are the spearhead force... Gurads still belong to
the infantry formation...
AI Troopers-> AIs does not belong to infantry formation belong to the armour
formation....Do just like what infantry does but added that
AIs fight togethter with their IFV and AIs are different from
mechanize infantry where they just move around with the aid
of veh.......AIs move and fight with vehicle and they are the main
battle force... -
Our divers are not exactly SEALs. While they might be airborne qualified (are all of them airborne qualified?), during ops I doubt they be given roles meant more for commandos.Originally posted by MGGUN:Diver====> All Rounder (Air, Land, Sea)
CDO====> Airborne Specialize (land)
Gurads----> Gurads actually to be exact is not elite troops....They are
like US marines......strategy solider.....i,e Specialize on something
like Heli-borne........They are to react fast to capture objective....
Just like they are the spearhead force... Gurads still belong to
the infantry formation...
AI Troopers-> AIs does not belong to infantry formation belong to the armour
formation....Do just like what infantry does but added that
AIs fight togethter with their IFV and AIs are different from
mechanize infantry where they just move around with the aid
of veh.......AIs move and fight with vehicle and they are the main
battle force...
Guards and certain infantry units are the spearhead. Armour is the main battle force. Actually from our rather heated exchange last time, you gave me the impression AIs are also the spearhead.
But to be the spearhead, AIs have to abandon their vehicles which means they don't get to move and fight with vehicle. I still find this quite dumb. How can the machines be without the men? -
Guards are obviously the light strike infantry which have to guard or "tong" an area of key strategic area untill the main infantry comes.
Traditionally, it can be explained this way:
Normal infantry is like normal footmen, so to speak.
Armor Infantry is like armor knights, paladines.
Guardsmen are like hoplites, or phalaxes, with the largest shield they tahan en masse of force whcking they with the main infantry footmen support behind them.
Commandos are just like the hero/ general to go fight the one-on-one combat. That's why it is for honour and glory. But of course, saying this, heroes don't always win. If they lose, army moral will normally drop. -
what i thought was that the cdos will infiltrate first, sabotage all those enemy key installations/defence systems, then Guards will "punch" through and pave the way for the infantry troops...
As for the ADF logo...if u see the plaque at NSC...i don't think it's a bayonet. But only the designer of the logo knows lah haha. -
coincidentally ADF is called "D-Force" sometimes...Originally posted by trueno86:Talking abt bayonet, recently saw a couple of ADF polo t shirt lurking round. Front logo is a simple triangle enclose with a bayonet pointing up, behind is written ADF, AlWAYs READY. Something like that. Front looks like Delta Force logo from far. -
Then maybe we should change the Istana guards from MPs to the Guardsmen.Originally posted by Icemoon:Even the chinese label for Guards is Jin4 Wei4 Bing1. ("near defense soldiers")
You could be right. The monarch always have a skilled group of people around him. Think the Red Guards around Emperor Palpatine, the 4 elephant warriors from Tom Yum Goong, even Zhan Zhao (the Jade Cat) in Justice Bao shows.
This is a testament to the Singapore Guards' skillfulness and loyalty. -
Well. I don't think you read through this whole forum topic.Originally posted by Hellraiza:Then maybe we should change the Istana guards from MPs to the Guardsmen.
Guards were actually guardsmen outside Istana last time.
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Oh yah hor. My bad.Originally posted by Eiizumi:Well. I don't think you read through this whole forum topic.
Guards were actually guardsmen outside Istana last time.
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Actually AIs are not spearhead to be exact..............Originally posted by Icemoon:Our divers are not exactly SEALs. While they might be airborne qualified (are all of them airborne qualified?), during ops I doubt they be given roles meant more for commandos.
Guards and certain infantry units are the spearhead. Armour is the main battle force. Actually from our rather heated exchange last time, you gave me the impression AIs are also the spearhead.
But to be the spearhead, AIs have to abandon their vehicles which means they don't get to move and fight with vehicle. I still find this quite dumb. How can the machines be without the men?
AIs are fighting with vehicle...The reason why dismounted and walk is for mission requirement.....Most of the time AIs fight with vehicle...If alway take vehicle to fight for some objective....From far the enemy will know someone is coming.......Dismounted is for some purposes....You got what I mean......
Guards is is real spearhead force............
If you have any thing you can PM me i can t tell you everything here......
Quite classify la........ZGot what I mean -
I need someone to explain to me whats the diff. between Mech.Infantry and Armoured Infantry?
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Mech. Infantry is purely infantry riding onto their armour vehicle and transport them to their objective faster...i.e bronco and terrex...One of the different is that these APC main objective is just to transport troops to their objective nearer to enemy territory and not right into the territory......Because they only with basic defensive weapon i.e MG ....Just enough to protect them from light assualt from infantry troops.....And their armour protection is much more light than IFV.......They are just act like war taxi.....Originally posted by SpecOps87:I need someone to explain to me whats the diff. between Mech.Infantry and Armoured Infantry?
Armoured Infantry ride and fight with their IFV.....I.e BX and M113 IFV...They will transport troops right into enemy objective and fight together with the aid of AIs....Because IFV armed with more offensive and powerful weapon than APC i.e 40/50 and 25mm........And their armour protection is much more stronger than the APC.........
Can t further describle to you here....Will go against the rules here......Never know who is the spy here......
You wanna to know more can go to web site and find out more...about other country......
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I agree. Guards are simply helimobile, rapid-reaction infantry. IMO, the label 'elite' has been brandished around too often. I cannot see why and to what end guards are being labelled as the 'elite'.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well, honestly, CDO,Guards,Infantry, AI are all Infantry. CDO=Airborne Infantry, Guards=Heli-borne Infantry (something like the cavalry troopers in "We Were Soldiers"), Infantry(needless to say the boots on the ground), AI similar to cavalry too. -
They call Guards the Elite Infantry cause they will be the first to charge into a battle followed by the infantry and all. They also do heli insertion and will be the first to land on a beach assault. All this make them "Elite". Do also consider there 3 months Guards conversion course, that course is tough!
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The reason why Guards are called Guards.
SAFGU was formed on 1st June 1968, and the main role of this unit was to provide guards for vital SAF installations as well as for ceremonial duties including the provision of the Guard-of-Honour and Prestige Guard for foreign dignitaries visiting the Republic.
Eventually, besides guards and ceremonial duties, the officers and men of SAFGU were also given infantry training to prepare them for a larger operational role. It was intended for the unit to be trained in order to assume the tasks of an infantry battalion.
On 1st July 1977, SAFGU was renamed 1 Guards and came under the command of 7 SIB.
1 Guards ceased its ceremonial duties at the Istana as of 1st Mar 1980 to concentrate on her operational role, and the duties were handed over to the SAF Provost Unit. -
I do not think that commandos are airborne infantry in terms of operations. Airborne infantry are infantry units trained for parachute operations, once on the ground, they like other infantry units, but more well trained, motivated and experienced. Commando operations are different. Another example or contrast is the US marines and UKÂ’s royal marine commandos.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well, honestly, CDO,Guards,Infantry, AI are all Infantry. CDO=Airborne Infantry, Guards=Heli-borne Infantry (something like the cavalry troopers in "We Were Soldiers"), Infantry(needless to say the boots on the ground), AI similar to cavalry too.
Guards units are elite only in the local context. By international standards, our guards units are considered as special purpose units only. Other examples of such units around the world include the various amphibious, parachute and airmobile infantry units. Check out the units from IndonesiaÂ’s Kostrad and marines, MalaysiaÂ’s parachute brigade, etc.
Guards units are used for a wide range of roles – ordinary foot infantry, strategic reserve troops, airmobile or amphibious flanking operations, mechanised infantry, etc, etc. That’s what I’ve done in a guards unit.
Armoured units, and mechanised infantry units have been described by others. -
i know 1 who is currently serving, mr_sotong.Originally posted by bcoy:I wonder how many current or former guardsmen are in these forums. -
Check out the most basic requirement like IPPT, CDO/GUARDS/DIVERS share the same gold award standards, which "SIMPLY" the only way for people out there to see the difference. The other way, simply by being in the unit. The term "rapid reaction" through seabourne, heliborne and faster movement/contact, imagine the kind of training and sweat to achieve that. Of cos. CDO need even more rapid reaction with secrecy, hence tougher training.Originally posted by lwflee:I agree. Guards are simply helimobile, rapid-reaction infantry. IMO, the label 'elite' has been brandished around too often. I cannot see why and to what end guards are being labelled as the 'elite'.