How do tanks dig in?
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Like I told you elsewhere .. it is sheer plain stupidity.Originally posted by MGGUN:A.I also learn river crossing, take chopper costal hook all those stuff, what ever infantry learn A.I also learn........
You take chopper go by air 20km then your M113 travel 24km with only commander, gunner and driver only? (I assume you need to walk like 4km to objective from heli landing point)
You cross river wet wet the tankees laugh at you for they'll be dry under the hatch.
What for? Might as well take tonners like that.
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lol .. as if you know when and where they'll fire.Originally posted by ditzy:If we expect arty fire in that area, we won't even take a chance and go there. -
Then at least we know someone is not doing their job.Originally posted by Icemoon:lol .. as if you know when and where they'll fire. -
HaHa, armour don't operate like what you say take chopper then M113.......That is why i say armour don t operate same as infantry and the structure of section and the SOP is also quite different......
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You said it yourself. After the objective you gotto catch up with your vehicles. So I presume you take chopper .. surprise attack the enemy then the vehicles will link up and you board it for next mission.Originally posted by MGGUN:HaHa, armour don't operate like what you say take chopper then M113.......That is why i say armour don t operate same as infantry and the structure of section and the SOP is also quite different......
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No you got the wrong idea......We need Armour veh and Armour veh also need us.......My OC said we will only take choppe if our mission required becoz of the terrain that Armour veh can't bash through......And the way I say catch up with Armour veh is after mission the Armour veh will wait behind us and after we have mission with all those misc stuffs i.e count of strenght ammo count.Then someone will link up with the Armour veh then we contiune with our mission...
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I presume unless the distance is very long or the terrain is really insurmountable then you use chopper. Even Mount Biang that kind of terrain AI also can bash right?Originally posted by MGGUN:No you got the wrong idea......We need Armour veh and Armour veh also need us.......My OC said we will only take choppe if our mission required becoz of the terrain that Armour veh can't bash through......And the way I say catch up with Armour veh is after mission the Armour veh will wait behind us and after we have mission with all those misc stuffs i.e count of strenght ammo count.Then someone will link up with the Armour veh then we contiune with our mission...
Got it....
Then it is quite dumb liao. 'cos you travel, say, 20km using chopper to objective. Then you take choppers back 20km to where your vehicles are still parked. Or else what .. jalan jalan back?
By the way, there is no such thing as land beside the objective one. So it is 20km + jalan jalan 10km = 30km.
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Yah yah yah, we take chopper to the location only a lowloader carrying our armour can access. We still carry FBO ar, if not who carry for us? Maria?
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Ur qn all very funny hor as thought we are CAO or COA....How we know so many stuffs even we know we also can t post here somehow is classified leh.....
But i ask you a qn if require to take chopper ask the guards lor......Can t be everything Armour have to do.......
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oh so at the end of day u just want to say AI don carry FBO and bash la!wat the big deal?i really don understand wat u r trying to prove here?if u think ur bloody inf is so gd then u can wear ur green beret with no 1 uniform already but y only commando,guard and armour can?the ans is simple bcoz these 3 formation is the core of saf! ONCE ARMOUR,ALWAYS ARMOUROriginally posted by Icemoon:I presume unless the distance is very long or the terrain is really insurmountable then you use chopper. Even Mount Biang that kind of terrain AI also can bash right?
Then it is quite dumb liao. 'cos you travel, say, 20km using chopper to objective. Then you take choppers back 20km to where your vehicles are still parked. Or else what .. jalan jalan back?
By the way, there is no such thing as land beside the objective one. So it is 20km + jalan jalan 10km = 30km.
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Maybe he was driving along the road and got honked at by an IFV for no reason.
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haha well said bro!Originally posted by MGGUN:Ur qn all very funny hor as thought we are CAO or COA....How we know so many stuffs even we know we also can t post here somehow is classified leh.....
But i ask you a qn if require to take chopper ask the guards lor......Can t be everything Armour have to do.......
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Originally posted by ditzy:Maybe he was driving along the road and got honked at by an IFV for no reason.
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Come on lar guys, all the formations have an equally critical role to play.
Without armor, we lack mobile tracked firepower to overrun the enemy.
Without Commandos, we lack the special ops ppl blowing up key bridges and booby trapping important roads to cut the enemy off.
Without guards, we got no one to slow down an enemy counter attack, and conduct fluid defensive engagements, or quick offensive probes.
Without infantry, we don't have the follow on forces to dig in at an objective, or a light heliportable foot infantry.
Without Signals, dun even need to talk.
Without Combat engineers, happy digging defensive positions with ur chankul, breast strokin urself + stores across water, finding rocks and soil with bare hands to fill AT ditches, and probing for mines with ur bayonet.
Without Logisticians/mechanics, good luck u probably wont have food and ammo and getting ur vehicles to work.
Without Artillery, the enemy will be ready for u, pointing his rifle down range instead of cowering from the arty rounds.
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depending on the nature of the mission...Originally posted by Icemoon:You said it yourself. After the objective you gotto catch up with your vehicles. So I presume you take chopper .. surprise attack the enemy then the vehicles will link up and you board it for next mission.
so it is still take chopper then M113 what.
it's usually vehicles n tanks set up firing base...
while AIs charge up the objective..
so after the AIs take the objective...
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wtf is this...when there's a war, we just send this CDO, Guards and Armour can liao? Didn't know SAF was THAT strong...Originally posted by M203(AI):oh so at the end of day u just want to say AI don carry FBO and bash la!wat the big deal?i really don understand wat u r trying to prove here?if u think ur bloody inf is so gd then u can wear ur green beret with no 1 uniform already but y only commando,guard and armour can?the ans is simple bcoz these 3 formation is the core of saf! ONCE ARMOUR,ALWAYS ARMOUR
Btw i personally feel only tankees and armour vehicle operators should wear the black beret.
Core of the Army? Bro i ain't sure whether you heard this before, but throughout the WORLD, the Infantry is the BACKBONE of the Army... The commandos can demo bridges, tanks can blow shit apart, arty can shell enemy positions, but the Infantry is the one that plants the flag. But then again, without the assistance of the other combat arms, or indeed the Navy and the Air force, they are just basically cannon fodder, as someone put it I know you have pride in your unit, just don't diss others. I believe some soldiers take great pride in wearing a green beret and would not exchange it for the world, simply for the fact that infantrymen do shit that no-one is thankful for and lesser beings take no pride in. -
Siao .. infantry go out is just die only .. what's there to be proud of?
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Erm...dying for your country?
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SAF is 3G liao. I hope in near future dun need life and blood to plant the flag.Originally posted by Hellraiza:Erm...dying for your country?
And pls DONT start that Patton quote shit...
As more and more Singaporeans are educated .. it is a joke to ask them to do section platoon drills to overrun stupid trenches and get themselves killed in the process. -
3G technology, 2G mentality.
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Then what do you suggest? Take it out at the WCG and CPL?Originally posted by Icemoon:SAF is 3G liao. I hope in near future dun need life and blood to plant the flag.
As more and more Singaporeans are educated .. it is a joke to ask them to do section platoon drills to overrun stupid trenches and get themselves killed in the process. CS 1.6 or WoW, your pick. -
Btw i personally feel only tankees and armour vehicle operators should wear the black beret.
Why can t the A.I deserve to wear black beret....the SAF would not give us $50 more than infantrymen for nothing. A.I need to do vehicle maintainence,help to break track wash vehicle all those stuffs.....And if your know how the way armour and A.I operate, then your will not think we are slack and not as xiong as infantry......
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Hanor hanor, ever seen infantry worry about BOM and the dreaded vehicle LRI? I don't think so.
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Oh! I didn't know that. Point noted.Originally posted by MGGUN:Btw i personally feel only tankees and armour vehicle operators should wear the black beret.
Why can t the A.I deserve to wear black beret....the SAF would not give us $50 more than infantrymen for nothing. A.I need to do vehicle maintainence,help to break track wash vehicle all those stuffs.....And if your know how the way armour and A.I operate, then your will not think we are slack and not as xiong as infantry...... 
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A.I worse nightmare is after every outfield, super hell lot of saikang to do, wash stores, returns stores, wash vehicle, clean alot of weapon, cant sleep for the whole night, not like infantry can book out after outfield. They thought they walk alot then us they are better than us. Just that they have not seen how many saikang we have to do even LRI have to clean own weapon and help out on vehicle maintainence....(BREAK TRACK)......