BMTC instructor
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I want to become BMTC instructor leh... I in 38th BSLC... The company I in now will be going to conduct 38th ASLC, which means 70% of my company mates going ASLC. Like to know what they look for in order to become BMTC instructor?
Heard unit specialists are treated like men, whereas BMTC specialists are kings... So does it mean the better performers become bmtc instructors? -
no....for example......wat i notice in my batch..the better trainees go to 1 SIR, 2 SIR or the GUards Battalions...Originally posted by kiddyduck:I want to become BMTC instructor leh... I in 38th BSLC... The company I in now will be going to conduct 38th ASLC, which means 70% of my company mates going ASLC. Like to know what they look for in order to become BMTC instructor?
Heard unit specialists are treated like men, whereas BMTC specialists are kings... So does it mean the better performers become bmtc instructors?
dont go BMTC uh...life damn miserable....unit life also rocks...
if u instructor....go reservist..become section commander again..u prolly fogot lotsa stuffs already -
wah you combat medic specialists??
Good a not?? Heard 38th BSLC got selection for combat medic specialists... -
alot to study....still gotta maintain fitnessOriginally posted by kiddyduck:wah you combat medic specialists??
Good a not?? Heard 38th BSLC got selection for combat medic specialists...
paramedic phase most siong...military phase is chicken feet
wouldnt recommend if u lazy to study.... -
it's the opposite, better performers get posted to unit, where it is definately more fun. the rest becomes BMTC instructors.Originally posted by kiddyduck:Heard unit specialists are treated like men, whereas BMTC specialists are kings... So does it mean the better performers become bmtc instructors?
BMTC instructors will get a culture shock if they come to a unit and see how a combat unit ticks.
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BMTC Instructors got a rude wake-up lesson when DIV HQ/MINDEF Specs tick them off if they try to pull stunts on them during my recours.Originally posted by Gordonator:it's the opposite, better performers get posted to unit, where it is definately more fun. the rest becomes BMTC instructors.
BMTC instructors will get a culture shock if they come to a unit and see how a combat unit ticks. -
you 38th BSLC??
Anyway.. I got the honour to be the rarer guys who gets to serve NSF as both BMTC Instructor AND unit commander.
And i tell you honestly, unit is MUCH better. I can list the pros and cons here.
PROS of BMTC Instructor
1. training is much lighter and you need not be part of the training.
2. you got more free time overall thru out the training phase.
3. There are "lull" periods where you might not have recruits for up to 1-2 months.
4. You get same pay for less work.
5. Your duties are much lesser.
CONS of BMTC Instructor
1. Your superiors are people who usually "cannot make it" or condemned already. So your chances of getting unreasonable superiors is very high.
2. If you are a new guy in the company, YOU WILL BE BULLIED into doing more duties.
3. The COs are cracking down on intolerable behaviours by commanders now.
4. You will have difficulty passing 2nd year IPPT
5. BMTC is very famous for a source of "extra" help, so if other units have some important events that needs extra manpower, your chances of getting it is high. e.g. the NDP carnival in 2005.
6. YOu will have to burn alot of weekends.
7. Your colleagues are very political with you and they then to be selfish.
PROS of a Unit sect comd.
1. Once you trained your men well and earn their respect, they can do YOUR work for you.
2. your men are fun
3. your men is willing to take the blame for you.
4. your men is willing to cover things up for you.
5. once the main bulk of training is done and after ATEC stage 1, you are much much freer than the BMTC instructor.
6. there is more cohesion between your CSM and your other specialists.
7. your offs are more regular than in BMTC.
8, you learn much more useful things in unit, not only military skills but human interaction.
9. GO other countries
CONS of a Unit sect comd
1. Unpredictable training schedule as S3 changes it as he sees fit.
2. due to smaller available personnel pool, your frequency for duties is more. actually depends on the camp you are in.
3. you are really responsible for your men, no such thing as "my recruit is stupid"
4. and wrong doings and extras come very fast.
5. more intolerable to mistakes
6. standard is demanded from you
7. Ops B. and Standby Ops.
8. tougher training, but you shouldn't have problem passing ippt year 2. -
bmtc is juz so gd...Originally posted by kiddyduck:I want to become BMTC instructor leh... I in 38th BSLC... The company I in now will be going to conduct 38th ASLC, which means 70% of my company mates going ASLC. Like to know what they look for in order to become BMTC instructor?
Heard unit specialists are treated like men, whereas BMTC specialists are kings... So does it mean the better performers become bmtc instructors? -
unit spec no need sit boat.
at nite hungry can order macdonald -
I mostly agree with Ponders' pros and cons. I was a BMT instructor. I had close friends who went to units also. During my time, the SISPEC intake went to 2 SIR.
However, about interaction with people, I actually thot that in BMTC , you see a lot of people come and go. I trained about 7 batches of BMT recruits , the last 3 batches as a platoon sgt. There are probably more people you encounter/ interact with but of course at the recruit level.
I also got to be deployed overseas ( but I was the minority who were nominated to go).
You tend to lose your skills/ knowledge and may have trouble going to a unit later during reservist. But having said this, most instructors ( officers and specs) tend to get posted to the same unit in reservist later (e.g. in my time, used to be PDF infantry units). So the standard expected of such a reserve unit will be lower and the commanders will give time for you to catch up.
If you like giving lectures and lessons and teaching others then BMTC posting may be good. If you want to be garang and learn to "fight", then the unit.
However, if you are an A level student and you go onto university after serving NS, then you are likely to move on to the reserve holding list. The outcome for a BMT instructor may be different. Myself and many other friends ( officers and specs) have ended up in "interesting " non- infantry units during our reservist. -
what i mean about interacting people is that your men in unit is really a wide variety of them and you spend lots of time. The bond is very deep. Whereas BMTC recruits tend to keep to themselves and you usually lose touch with them after they POP.Originally posted by specfore:I mostly agree with Ponders' pros and cons. I was a BMT instructor. I had close friends who went to units also. During my time, the SISPEC intake went to 2 SIR.
However, about interaction with people, I actually thot that in BMTC , you see a lot of people come and go. I trained about 7 batches of BMT recruits , the last 3 batches as a platoon sgt. There are probably more people you encounter/ interact with but of course at the recruit level.
I also got to be deployed overseas ( but I was the minority who were nominated to go).
Hmm.. you must be damn lucky to be attached to overseas for training. I was selected to go taiwan recently but it would mean foregoing my ORD leave.
I rather take the ORD leave. haha -
Hey ... sounds like my case...in a way. I went to Taiwan in my last 6 months of NS. To help lead a platoon of ATEC enemy for Starlight. There was a WO from my camp who was to be the PC of this enemy platoon. He and I had a lot to learn within 2 weeks prep for Taiwan, as he and I were from a BMTC. All advance infantry stuff were forgotten. Our CO thot that he was rewarding us with a good overseas stint but actually it was a burden !
Anyway, it ended up quite fun in Taiwan.
So you going onto university ? If going to an overseas uni, good chance you end up like me in an interesting reservist unit. -
local universities also factor in these days..and if you were in an interesting vocation with even more interesting PES Status and are spec or officer..intriguing combination man..Originally posted by specfore:Hey ... sounds like my case...in a way. I went to Taiwan in my last 6 months of NS. To help lead a platoon of ATEC enemy for Starlight. There was a WO from my camp who was to be the PC of this enemy platoon. He and I had a lot to learn within 2 weeks prep for Taiwan, as he and I were from a BMTC. All advance infantry stuff were forgotten. Our CO thot that he was rewarding us with a good overseas stint but actually it was a burden !
Anyway, it ended up quite fun in Taiwan.
So you going onto university ? If going to an overseas uni, good chance you end up like me in an interesting reservist unit. -
What do you mean by interesting?Originally posted by specfore:Hey ... sounds like my case...in a way. I went to Taiwan in my last 6 months of NS. To help lead a platoon of ATEC enemy for Starlight. There was a WO from my camp who was to be the PC of this enemy platoon. He and I had a lot to learn within 2 weeks prep for Taiwan, as he and I were from a BMTC. All advance infantry stuff were forgotten. Our CO thot that he was rewarding us with a good overseas stint but actually it was a burden !
Anyway, it ended up quite fun in Taiwan.
So you going onto university ? If going to an overseas uni, good chance you end up like me in an interesting reservist unit.
I actually did my University before NS. So it's looking for work for me now. haha. -
Go unit as spec is better to be able to converse well in mandarin and hokkien. Seen some potato eating specs trying very hard to communicate with "bengs" in an infantry unit... in the end, trouble for both men and specs
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Best wishes then. Know a few chaps who did this. I can understand your hurry and antipathy towards an overseas deployment.Originally posted by Ponders:What do you mean by interesting?
I actually did my University before NS. So it's looking for work for me now. haha. -
Ohh... for my case, I had time to burn before ORD and the start of university. I was to ORD in June but my term at university was to start in September ( UK). So I was going waste the summer anyway in between ORD and tertiary studies.
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I mean "interesting" NS unit... what do you mean by "interesting"?Originally posted by specfore:Ohh... for my case, I had time to burn before ORD and the start of university. I was to ORD in June but my term at university was to start in September ( UK). So I was going waste the summer anyway in between ORD and tertiary studies.
don't tell me SCDF!! haah
my friend who did his NS in police ended up doing SCDF for his reservist and he is a fire engine commander!!! -
Actually every BSLC/ASLC batch will have posting to a very wide variety of units.Originally posted by kiddyduck:I want to become BMTC instructor leh... I in 38th BSLC... The company I in now will be going to conduct 38th ASLC, which means 70% of my company mates going ASLC. Like to know what they look for in order to become BMTC instructor?
Heard unit specialists are treated like men, whereas BMTC specialists are kings... So does it mean the better performers become bmtc instructors?
Just that every few batches there will be "special" intakes. Like posting to ATEC, NCC, etc
But everybatch will have BMTC specs, like about 30-40 specs will go there. And once every few batch only 10-15 go. And once every few other batch about 90 will go.
Largest was the 26-27th batch. 195 and 100+ respectively... thanks to SARS. -
It is not easy in SCDF and SCDF also quite boring .Originally posted by Ponders:I mean "interesting" NS unit... what do you mean by "interesting"?
don't tell me SCDF!! haah
my friend who did his NS in police ended up doing SCDF for his reservist and he is a fire engine commander!!!
No, when I mean interesting, it can be interesting, example (without saying too much):-
1) Special engineer units
2) Special air force units
3) Special naval units
Your infantry knowledge is required for liaison and recce duties. But not expected to "fight" as an infantryman. However, you will definitely be near or at the frontline... so self defence is important and therefore your individual skills as an infantryman becomes more important. You will also learn the operating tactics and doctrine of the unit you are attached to (so for air force unit, you will learn what is an Air Tasking Order, how to stack aircraft when there is a "traffic jam" in the air over you ... etc etc) That's all I can say. -
FAC type.JTACs.
interesting.but that's all there is for here.
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Hahaha... yes LazerLordz... sounds like you are in the know!
There are other work for ex- BMTC instructors ( specs and officers) ! The other services need army people for many things ( not just for a Field Defence or Base Defence Squadron). -
thats so untrue that 70% of your coy mates are going to ASLC.Originally posted by kiddyduck:I want to become BMTC instructor leh... I in 38th BSLC... The company I in now will be going to conduct 38th ASLC, which means 70% of my company mates going ASLC. Like to know what they look for in order to become BMTC instructor?
Heard unit specialists are treated like men, whereas BMTC specialists are kings... So does it mean the better performers become bmtc instructors?
I was from 35th ASLC..now at 146th PS course..so u prob have seen me arnd..
aniwae, my coy was bravo that time. I was from Golf, the supposedly "support arms" company. And out of about 140, about 68 went to bravo. Anyway, the people who stayed from bravo bslc to bravo aslc was only like 5 or 6 out of a platoon of 50. SO u say 70%? Quite bullshit.
Anyway I totally agree that the lousier performers become bmtc instructors. Tink about it, why send good people to bmtc when they can go to units? It is usualy the most slack and lousiest and unrespected personnel that got posted to bmtc and NCC. At least, for my time. Not all though..
ANyway I'm in 1GDS..I'm not treated like men..haha..i've also got my recruits in now, for bmt, so I'm like a king..lol..but of cuz after that you got to be fair in how you deal with the men..and then the bond you make there will be far stronger and more useful.
Go unit..its a better place. -
bmtc instructors gd meh??
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Originally posted by tt3:bmtc instructors gd meh??
people explained so much above, then you ask this?