which is more prestigous?
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rank or appointment....
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respect.
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i agree,rank and appointment mean nothing if u can't even earn the respect of your men.It is worst if you have both but u have to "command" your men's respect......lolOriginally posted by vIn.Warrior:respect. -
i prefer the money.......
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this is damn true...Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:respect.
my fren who is a CPL, command more respect to his "man" compared to his SecCom. juz because SecCom tink he spec, can pull rank and always tekan man.
once the spec ask one of the man to do some stuff like moving of tables and chairs while the spec juz use eye power. my fren who is the CQM, tulanz, ask ALL the man to stop wateva they are doing and he tell the spec dun f!@k ard with the system juz becoz u r a spec u can use eye power and command pple to do sai kang while u stand there and relak jack. the spec threaten to give extra to my fren. my fren say GO AHEAD, i will answer to PC. let's see who will get into bigger trouble and with that, whole section go for undefine coffee break -
both are equally important
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\Originally posted by kentheman:this is damn true...
my fren who is a CPL, command more respect to his "man" compared to his SecCom. juz because SecCom tink he spec, can pull rank and always tekan man.
once the spec ask one of the man to do some stuff like moving of tables and chairs while the spec juz use eye power. my fren who is the CQM, tulanz, ask ALL the man to stop wateva they are doing and he tell the spec dun f!@k ard with the system juz becoz u r a spec u can use eye power and command pple to do sai kang while u stand there and relak jack. the spec threaten to give extra to my fren. my fren say GO AHEAD, i will answer to PC. let's see who will get into bigger trouble and with that, whole section go for undefine coffee break
you must give respect to the rank. what the cpl did was wrong. should do the job first than complain. sure the sec comm was wrong. but it doesn't mean he should diss him like that. the action can be considered as muntiny.
my senior commander once told me this:
remember, u are in the military. ranks plays a part. u may not respect the person, but u must respect the rank. -
the salary.
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50% agree with uOriginally posted by saline:\
you must give respect to the rank. what the cpl did was wrong. should do the job first than complain. sure the sec comm was wrong. but it doesn't mean he should diss him like that. the action can be considered as muntiny.
my senior commander once told me this:
remember, u are in the military. ranks plays a part. u may not respect the person, but u must respect the rank.
as i believe that, we MUST AND HAVE TO RESPECT the rank!
its not a issued u respect that person anot!
but.... on the other hand, i would say that... this CPL dont have any right to argue with that Spec, thats the way SAF work! i dont see anything wrong by using EYES POWER! as, someone have to be OVER SEE that task! if something screw up! that spec will get it! not that CPL!!! so.... CPL dont have the right to question him! not forgetting!.... the way that CPL approach... its seen like MUTINY! its an offence in SAF!!!! -
appointment is definately more important than rank. ever seen a lao jiao CPL teaching a xin jiao 3SG things or not?
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haha...i tink so too...Originally posted by Gordonator:appointment is definately more important than rank. ever seen a lao jiao CPL teaching a xin jiao 3SG things or not?
tink i seen b4... -
what the CPL was doing was teaching the 3SG his skills. cos the CPL experienced wat. noting new.Originally posted by Gordonator:appointment is definately more important than rank. ever seen a lao jiao CPL teaching a xin jiao 3SG things or not?
i've taught a maj how to use a XXX program when i was in HQ Armour. heehee..
most importantly is that when we are seeking help/knowledge from others even thought their rank is lower or if he is alot younger, one must eat humble pie. agree? -
The CPL is the CQMS?Originally posted by kentheman:once the spec ask one of the man to do some stuff like moving of tables and chairs while the spec juz use eye power. my fren who is the CQM, tulanz, ask ALL the man to stop wateva they are doing and he tell the spec dun f!@k ard with the system juz becoz u r a spec u can use eye power and command pple to do sai kang while u stand there and relak jack. the spec threaten to give extra to my fren. my fren say GO AHEAD, i will answer to PC. let's see who will get into bigger trouble and with that, whole section go for undefine coffee break
If so, he is under none of the enlisted personnel other than CSM. How can the spec give him extra? -
I disgree, for the simple fact the CPL is the CQMS (I presume CQM = CQ = CQMS?) The estab rank is a sergeant, definitely the same rank as a sec comm. Moreover the CQ is not under the charge of the sect comm.Originally posted by NDU:but.... on the other hand, i would say that... this CPL dont have any right to argue with that Spec, thats the way SAF work! i dont see anything wrong by using EYES POWER! as, someone have to be OVER SEE that task! if something screw up! that spec will get it! not that CPL!!! so.... CPL dont have the right to question him! not forgetting!.... the way that CPL approach... its seen like MUTINY! its an offence in SAF!!!!
Where got mutiny? And they were moving chairs and tables. I suppose the CQ can be involved too since those could be his stores. -
how come you all never read his post carefully? The CPL wasn't even tasked to do the saikang!Originally posted by saline:you must give respect to the rank. what the cpl did was wrong. should do the job first than complain. sure the sec comm was wrong. but it doesn't mean he should diss him like that. the action can be considered as muntiny.
my senior commander once told me this:
remember, u are in the military. ranks plays a part. u may not respect the person, but u must respect the rank.
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CQMS is an HQ appointment, equal to a Section Commander.GS tables and equipment are under his purview.He can pull appointment on the 3SG because of his estab and appointment.Originally posted by Icemoon:I disgree, for the simple fact the CPL is the CQMS (I presume CQM = CQ = CQMS?) The estab rank is a sergeant, definitely the same rank as a sec comm. Moreover the CQ is not under the charge of the sect comm.
Where got mutiny? And they were moving chairs and tables. I suppose the CQ can be involved too since those could be his stores.
The 3SG cannot give him extras, because he is of equal status to him. -
Agreed.Originally posted by LazerLordz:CQMS is an HQ appointment, equal to a Section Commander.GS tables and equipment are under his purview.He can pull appointment on the 3SG because of his estab and appointment.
The 3SG cannot give him extras, because he is of equal status to him.
Actually I'd think the giving of extras is by the chain of command. -
Precisely.It boils down to CSM.Originally posted by Icemoon:Agreed.
Actually I'd think the giving of extras is by the chain of command.
3SGs can recommend, but cannot give. -
Actually I think the CPL overreacted. Machiam first time seeing spec eye power. And he is being impolite .. even the OC and CSM also restrain by scolding specs in private, not in full view by the men.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Precisely.It boils down to CSM.
3SGs can recommend, but cannot give. -
to clear some of the doubts here, my fren (the CPL) was also tasked to do all the clearing of GS and chairs. everyone except the spec was doing all the hard work. maybe i din clarify earlier, this eye-power thingy doesn't occur only once, but over a period of time.
yes, eye-power is alright, but eye-power with all the commanding and insults thrown, like "my grandma can do a better and faster job than all of u guys here" "eh u all very slow leh, i wan to go home early. u all wan to stay back dun need to ask me stay back w u guys one leh". i forgot to state this in my earlier posting. apologies on my part...my bad my bad -
This is strange. I've never seen a CQ tasked by a sect comm to clear his own stores?Originally posted by kentheman:to clear some of the doubts here, my fren (the CPL) was also tasked to do all the clearing of GS and chairs. everyone except the spec was doing all the hard work. maybe i din clarify earlier, this eye-power thingy doesn't occur only once, but over a period of time. -
hmmm, according to him, it was after an event. and everyone chipped in to help..Originally posted by Icemoon:This is strange. I've never seen a CQ tasked by a sect comm to clear his own stores? -
everyone should just chip in.being selfish will only cause you to book out late.Originally posted by kentheman:hmmm, according to him, it was after an event. and everyone chipped in to help..
CQMS by right cannot be commanded by a Sect Comd.Appointment is similar, and CQMS is under the RQMS or HQ CSM. -
In SISPEC .. it is very common for ADF men to teach the instructors!!! haha.
ADF men usually in force for 3-4 years already and its 3-4 years of outfield and training. SISPEC instructors are just fresh pass outs.
For me, i had to explain to my CSM and PC why SAF uses mils rather than degrees.
and how "mils" is derived from.
From then on, they never dared to disturb me on anything to do with topo and navigation. -
mils more accurate......degree is more for air navigation use...Originally posted by Ponders:In SISPEC .. it is very common for ADF men to teach the instructors!!! haha.
ADF men usually in force for 3-4 years already and its 3-4 years of outfield and training. SISPEC instructors are just fresh pass outs.
For me, i had to explain to my CSM and PC why SAF uses mils rather than degrees.
and how "mils" is derived from.
From then on, they never dared to disturb me on anything to do with topo and navigation.