PIE, Eng Neo Exit @ 1200H
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if im not wrong wen u signed the secrecy act.
you can only reveal your name, rank n nric number.
anythg else is a breach.
so?
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Looks like SPF was not involve.. SAF settled themselves..
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On one hand, we have to be sensitive to national security matters. Yet, without this new media, would the public know about the drowning case and create enough uproar to launch a full investigation, or would it have been shafted under the carpet.
The balance is needed, we are a Armed Forces of citizens.Therefore, we must always take this into account during policymaking.National security must not be allowed to fully overshadow the right of a nation to know what happens when accidents or training breaches happen, comparatively speaking.
This is where discretion has to be applied.We can go into the framework and layout of the incident, but we have to respect the sanctity of the investigation effort and not allow undue influence to enter. That's why sometimes, we must limit discussion to a certain degree, and this is a fluid judgement according to the differing merits and circumstance of that case in question.
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hmm.. SISPEC coy. what controlled equipment can they hold?
is it the 105mm laser cannons? -
probably someone lost their rifle or signal equipment.
wat else can they carry during navex ex besides those things?
oh, or maybe an SAF map or compass.
During my time we did our navex exercise there too during BSLC and ASLC. -
Wah, let me guess:
item must be at least weighing more than 3kg.
bulky or long in shape
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black color or camo color.
worth more than US$300 .
Anymore clue? -
they lost a gundam...
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Well done guys.......one more off days for u.Originally posted by kiddyduck:Mods: if you find this post to sensitive, pls remove it.
This guy lost a controlled equipment during Ex Wanderer. Immediate search was conducted by own coy.
12hrs later, Provost + SIB move in to Mandai. A carpet search was conducted again in the probable locations. Dogs from Combat engineers and Provost came in with the Pioneer platoon with detecting equipments.
Night time, 9 Div commander arrive and activate 3SIR.
Search through the whole night. Lost equipment was found this monring by 3SIR. -
is this a usefull clue?Originally posted by skeujin:they lost a gundam... -
I htink the PDT-12 Cloaking Device went missing lah
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half the items in SAF are controlled equipment.. -.-"
and i have nv hear a division commander(BG somemore) activated and come down over a lost rifle..
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I was also surprised to see a BG standing at the Eng Neo exit, guiding us back to the HQ. Initially I cant figure out the rank on the epaulette, someone in long 4 jungle hat... I only realise when i got nearer to the BG.
He was there with several LTC, COLs, WOs in the Ops Order. I was also surpirsed they bring in lots of laptops, projectors, giant maps, ambulance + MO, hundreds of 3SIR personnel all with searchlights and cylum sticks, dogs, metal detectors. almost 20 tonners.... for a controlled equipment..
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70% at least man..did you know even your jerry cans can be deemed controlled if your higher-ups want it to be so?Originally posted by binZ:half the items in SAF are controlled equipment.. -.-"
and i have nv hear a division commander(BG somemore) activated and come down over a lost rifle..
hmmmm????
To call a BG down, is no small matter.Perhaps something much more valuable than a SAR-21. -
heeheehee. Found lah. See! I'm rite. M16S1Originally posted by Manager433:Wah, let me guess:
item must be at least weighing more than 3kg.
bulky or long in shape .
black color or camo color.
worth more than US$300 .
Anymore clue?
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At first I also thought that they've lost a gundam..
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Lost M16 rifle found 32 hours later
By Rita Zahara, Channel NewsAsia
SINGAPORE: A National Serviceman lost his M16 rifle during training at about 12.45 early Friday morning
Fortunately, the weapon was found at 8.40 Saturday morning - some 32 hours later.
The incident happened during a night navigation exercise in the Lower Mandai Reserve for section leader trainees.
It is believed the soldier lost the rifle amongst thick undergrowth in Mandai.
Some 400 servicemen were deployed in the search operation.
When contacted, a Mindef spokesperson said, they are conducting investigations. - CNA -
hm..Originally posted by LazerLordz:Lost M16 rifle found 32 hours later
By Rita Zahara, Channel NewsAsia
SINGAPORE: A National Serviceman lost his M16 rifle during training at about 12.45 early Friday morning
Fortunately, the weapon was found at 8.40 Saturday morning - some 32 hours later.
The incident happened during a night navigation exercise in the Lower Mandai Reserve for section leader trainees.
It is believed the soldier lost the rifle amongst thick undergrowth in Mandai.
Some 400 servicemen were deployed in the search operation.
When contacted, a Mindef spokesperson said, they are conducting investigations. - CNA
think Mindef is conducting investigations on two things:
1. under what circumstances the trainee lost his rifle (hopefully, its dire, else the trainee can well await to be charged)
2. how on earth the media got to learn about this! -
Why would this be media fodder some more? And on a regional satellite channel?
Does not sound too good.You don't hear Nine or Ch 7 announcing things that the ADF cock up in Queensland do you? -
I think its because the item is lost at a location where it is easily accesible by the public. its beside the road and near a golf course.
So they arent taking any chances as who knows some illegal may be harbouring in that area and happen to stumble upon it.
Somebody may have noticed the comotion at the area while travelling along the road and called a reporter.
The trainee is gonna get DB for sure, i knew someone in my unit who lost a rifle and was sent to db too. -
Shouldn't that exercise be held on Tekong? Well the location near the PIE would definitely be very much in the public view.Originally posted by Guile:I think its because the item is lost at a location where it is easily accesible by the public. its beside the road and near a golf course.
So they arent taking any chances as who knows some illegal may be harbouring in that area and happen to stumble upon it.
Somebody may have noticed the comotion at the area while travelling along the road and called a reporter.
The trainee is gonna get DB for sure, i knew someone in my unit who lost a rifle and was sent to db too.
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400 servicemen activated... how to go unnoticed?Originally posted by wuming78:hm..
think Mindef is conducting investigations on two things:
1. under what circumstances the trainee lost his rifle (hopefully, its dire, else the trainee can well await to be charged)
2. how on earth the media got to learn about this!
n they have to annonuce it to the media to aviod rumors and panick.
anyway sounds like a conspiracy to me. 400men in a contained area lukg for a rifle sounds to exagerated to me.
i wouldnt b surprised if it was a serviceman who snapped while out on training n awol w a live weapon. tts y the huge activation of manpower. -
haha.. u are wrong, man.. controlled equipment are listed in a list of items in one of the directives..Originally posted by LazerLordz:70% at least man..did you know even your jerry cans can be deemed controlled if your higher-ups want it to be so?
To call a BG down, is no small matter.Perhaps something much more valuable than a SAR-21.
well.. i think the search a little too extensive for one lost sar 21.. there are so many times whena weapon is lost and no high ups will be informed until they comb the ground dunno how many times before it is either found or declared lost..
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Who would expect be so suay?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Shouldn't that exercise be held on Tekong? Well the location near the PIE would definitely be very much in the public view. -
That would have required at least CQC trained force to detain him, not unarmed NSFs with dogs.Originally posted by skeujin:400 servicemen activated... how to go unnoticed?
n they have to annonuce it to the media to aviod rumors and panick.
anyway sounds like a conspiracy to me. 400men in a contained area lukg for a rifle sounds to exagerated to me.
i wouldnt b surprised if it was a serviceman who snapped while out on training n awol w a live weapon. tts y the huge activation of manpower.
But I agree 400 for a M16..it's a bit suspicious.