Pistol shooting in the SAF
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Man, I forgot all about that quals. Thanks for bringing that up, Shotgun.Originally posted by Shotgun:Oh yeah, check out the requirements to be a Federal Air Marshall. Especially the double tap from low ready... (dist is 7 yards) Almost equal to 6-7 meters.
woooosh!
http://www.thegunzone.com/fam-lawman/fam-qual.html
You know what? Just for S&Gs (since I gotta train anyway), I'm gonna hit the range next week and see if I can beat those times as specified in the drills and just to make it harder, I'll run 45ACP instead of 9mm.
I'll get some vids for you guys. I'll entertain any requests for realistic drills
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U wanna try those quals drills??
I donno, seems likes some pretty tough timings to beat... -
Yeah, I know but it should be interesting. Seriously............it's very do-able as long as you've got your groove 'cos the drill requires one to start cold.Originally posted by Shotgun:U wanna try those quals drills??
I donno, seems likes some pretty tough timings to beat...
I checked some past timings from a year ago when I sat in a class with this instructor who's full-time job (whether you believe it or not) is to train the FBI's HRT team and he called the following times out (I noted them):
One shot, down zero, from HIGH ready - 0.90
One shot, down zero, from LOW ready - 0.75
Splits - anywhere from 0.25 to 0.30 (his splits were 0.15 to 0.20)
One shot, drawn from concealment - 1.55
So, based on these basic numbers, if you take drill # 2 (for example - Double Tap fr Low Ready, 1.35 sec), my goal should be:
0.75 + 0.30 = 1.05 seconds
Drill # 3, Rhythm (never heard this term being used); 6 shots at one target:
0.75 + (0.30 x 5) = 2.25 seconds (which still beats the 3 sec mark)
The major problem is in Drill # 4; One shot, speed reload, one shot from Low Ready. I never can reload a single stack 45 as fast as I can a double stack mag. If I'm lucky, I'll hit 1.5 seconds.
All that said, like I've mentioned, if you ain't got your groove for the day, you're screwed. Here's a very good example - in the first video you will see a competitor shoot a stage with 3 targets (2 shots each); the first you have shoot thro' the car (target outside of co-driver side), the 2nd is in front of the car and the 3rd is a swinging target right next to the 1st.
The reason why I included the 1st vid is becos' you get to see the complete (almost) set-up. The 2nd vid is of myself shooting the stage. Now, before I even shot, I had to mentally calculate how long it was going to take me to shoot this stage. So in my head, I 'see' the following:
I open truck door, draw and shoot first shot - 2 secs
Second shot on 1st target - 0.3 (remember my splits?) secs
Transition to 2nd target for first shot - 0.5 secs
Second shot on 2nd target - 0.3 secs
Transition to 3rd target for first shot - 0.75 secs becos' this is a swinger
Second shot on 3rd target - 0.3 secs
So, in a perfect scenario, I should be able to shoot this stage in a total of 4.15 seconds with 6 shots. Unfortunately, it never is perfect 'cos I shot the last target 3 times to be on the safe side (remember it's a swinger?). And guess what? Total time was 4.14 seconds. Watch the vids.............
Vid #1
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Hmm I guess then everything would turn out to be a very well choreographed dance, (with shooting) ?
Btw, where did u do this shooting at? I may heading down to the west coast some time late march, was contemplating visiting some of these ranges along the way. -
Originally posted by Shotgun:
Well put. In actual defense, things are different of course but during an offensive situation or in this case, a stage within a match, it is like a choreographing a dance. For most of us, it is a study in the economy of movement. Ever sat thro' a briefing on a raid mission (for example in the SIR, Guards or CDO units)? Speed, surprise, efficient, economy of movement, etc. Same stuff on a larger scale.
[b]Hmm I guess then everything would turn out to be a very well choreographed dance, (with shooting) ?[b]Btw, where did u do this shooting at? I may heading down to the west coast some time late march, was contemplating visiting some of these ranges along the way.
The vids you saw were from the 2005 IDPA Nationals (Championships). Last year it was held in Little Rock, AR. I'm outside of DC (in VA) and being down south, we have a lot of ranges to support the shooting sports. If you are confirmed for the West Coast, let me know and I'll get you some info. There is a former Singaporean on the West Coast who is a well-known gear reviewer. He shoots a lot oand has good contacts too. -
Cool! Cos i' havent recieved my travel itinerary yet. Just hope i have enuff spare time. =D
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P226 fired b4, for me... i dont mind P226 (anyway, thats the only pistol i fired b4) not bad... user- friendly as seldom encounter any problem
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Alright SHOTGUN, I finally found the time to try out the Air Marshal drills. Like I said, not easy but do-able.
Drill # 1
One round from concealment - time to beat is 1.65s - time recorded 1.59s
Video of Drill # 1
Drill # 2
Double Tap from low ready - time to beat is 1.35s - time recorded 1.06s
Video of Drill # 2
Drill # 3
Fire 6 shots at one target from low ready - screwed this one up becos' I shot from concealment - time to beat is 3.00s - timer shows 2.34 but I really think it was around 2.6 to 2.7
Video of Drill # 3
Drill # 4
One shot, reload, one shot from low ready - time to beat is 3.25s - time recorded 2.89s
Video of Drill # 4
Drill # 5
One round each at 3 targets from low ready - time to beat is 1.65s - time recorded 1.20s
Video of Drill # 5
Drill # 6
180 turn, one round each @ 3 targets from concealment - time to beat 3.50s - time recorded 2.71
Video of Drill # 6
Drill # 7
One round, slide lock reload, kneel, one round from low ready - time to beat 4.00s - time recorded 3.34s
Video of Drill # 7
The drills didn't take much time and I still had quite a bit of ammo left so I decided to try out a couple of extra drills
Drill # 8
Two shots each on 2 targets from concealment - time recorded 2.31s
Video of Drill # 8
Drill # 9
Failure drill - two shots on center mass and one to head per target for a total of 6 shots, from concealment - time recorded 3.19s
Video of Drill # 9 -
Pistols armed by officers are using for killing soldiers who disobey command during war time?
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Dude, during this time and age, I'm not sure about that intended use. Most of the guys I know want their pistols on them at all times as a back-up; something to transition to in case the rifle goes click.Originally posted by grandeur:Pistols armed by officers are using for killing soldiers who disobey command during war time? -
i heard that before and i think we have discussed this topic long long time agoOriginally posted by grandeur:Pistols armed by officers are using for killing soldiers who disobey command during war time?
for what i know, YES