Why wear helmet?
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Sometimes i wonder why in SAF we wear helmet.
US did ballistic tests on their PASGT helmet (supposedly SAF's helmet is based on this).
They concluded that it will not stop a direct 5.56mm hit, much less for 7.62.
Shots from a 9mm do not produce consistent results but in general it stops the bullet to some extent but it cannot stop multiples shots.
They are however effective in blocking shrapnels or high velocity debris (resulting from blasts). This are most likely situations in arty, mortar or grenade attack.
They don't mention anything on Claymore blasts.
So in a combat situation. if your helmet can't stop a rifle bullet why wear?
And if your helmet is supposed to stop shrapnels and debris... how about the rest of your body? because in such situations.. there will be lots of debris flying and hitting other parts of body anyway. So why wear?
To give us a fake sense of security? -
at least it protects a bit lah...
its better to be shot dead straight away den kenna debris and become vegetable rite? -
sure as hell i would wear helmet when doing soc, gladly
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then why not wear?
If you are really in a combat zone,and you are not wearing one,but bullets are flying all around and if you see a helmet,i am sure as hell sure you will try to grab it if possible to put it on your head to give whatever protection it can -
A little is better than none...
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I think you just answered your own question with this.Originally posted by Ponders:They are however effective in blocking shrapnels or high velocity debris (resulting from blasts). This are most likely situations in arty, mortar or grenade attack.
When you're at the receiving end of an artillery barrage, you would really be glad that you have a helmet.
In fact, if I remember correctly, the military helmet was invented on the battlefields of WWI. In the past, they used to wear useless cloth caps. If I'm not wrong, it was a French soldier who ingeniously put a metal pot over his head to help him survive the shrapnel of a German artillery bombardment.
In addition, even if it can't stop a direct hit by a 5.56mm round, it can still deflect an indirect hit sometimes. If the round hits the helmet at an angle instead of head-on, there's a chance that the round will be deflected.
The effects are also psychological. I sure as heck would feel a lot better to have a helmet on when the bullets are flying all around me. -
U nuts? You WANT to wear a helmut during SOC? I'd understand why you would want to wear a helmut during ops, but SOC?? Why? Super Gung ho? Or just really prone on falling on your head during SOC.Originally posted by crimson soldier:sure as hell i would wear helmet when doing soc, gladly -
hhheheheh1!! wear helmet on soc? hahahah because he can do a head dive on the PC then later PC knock out platoon gets a whole day off while he can report sick for a week! hahahah!!
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Helmet is so useful lor. Can use as unarmed combat tool. Headbutt ppl. Or, can take out and sit on. Use to carry ammunition... so many things.
Seriously. Falling rocks from a bombed out area is a risk too... imagine if u walk halfway, a brick lands on ur head... u will be loving ur dear helmet man. -
So my head doesn't get konked on by a 50kg spring loaded armour door.
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It is to protect you from your instructors or commanders !!!Originally posted by Ponders:Sometimes i wonder why in SAF we wear helmet.
US did ballistic tests on their PASGT helmet (supposedly SAF's helmet is based on this).
They concluded that it will not stop a direct 5.56mm hit, much less for 7.62.
Shots from a 9mm do not produce consistent results but in general it stops the bullet to some extent but it cannot stop multiples shots.
They are however effective in blocking shrapnels or high velocity debris (resulting from blasts). This are most likely situations in arty, mortar or grenade attack.
They don't mention anything on Claymore blasts.
So in a combat situation. if your helmet can't stop a rifle bullet why wear?
And if your helmet is supposed to stop shrapnels and debris... how about the rest of your body? because in such situations.. there will be lots of debris flying and hitting other parts of body anyway. So why wear?
To give us a fake sense of security?
For asking stupid question and doing stupid things ! -
SOC don't need to wear helmet one meH?Originally posted by Cpt.ZR:hhheheheh1!! wear helmet on soc? hahahah because he can do a head dive on the PC then later PC knock out platoon gets a whole day off while he can report sick for a week! hahahah!! -
needOriginally posted by 12qwaszx:SOC don't need to wear helmet one meH? -
i think sharpnel from explosions are likely to hit the head than rounds.. unless a sniper with a Barett 50 cal got his sights on your head....
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What were the test conditions? 100m? 200m? Whatever, since i still want a helmet.
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Try putting a large rubber band holding natural vegetation camoflage ard the bare head /jockey cap/ jungle hat.
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It is to keep the head intact so that when your love ones can identify your body. keke
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Wearing helmet helps to prevent spread of diseases and unwanted pregnancy.
(but please check that the helmet is not expired yet).
No helmet? No problem....can also use blank attachment. -
but... why they say until like nows day SOC no helmet??? my time lagi best, we wear 2 helmet! one METAL AND ONE PLASTIC! u have to place the metal helmet over the plastic one, then... u have another camouflage clothe to cover the whole helmet. ... not forgetting... with another rubber band to secure the clothe .. naber.... really like kuku!Originally posted by beavan:need
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helmet for u to cook your dinner in, if u lose your mess tin. want to bathe at river can use as pail, when looting your enemies' villages, can use as a basket, so useful!
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Eh, we talking about real helmets lar, not ur french cap or french helmet la!Originally posted by gentlerock:Wearing helmet helps to prevent spread of diseases and unwanted pregnancy. (but please check that the helmet is not expired yet).
No helmet? No problem....can also use blank attachment.
I remember that post, Malaysian pilots to get French helmets... wahahhaha.
Man we are sick. -
last time metal one canOriginally posted by HENG@:helmet for u to cook your dinner in, if u lose your mess tin. want to bathe at river can use as pail, when looting your enemies' villages, can use as a basket, so useful!
nowadays kevlar ones not good heat conductors...
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wash a stone,heat till very hot, then drop into the water to heat the water and cook yr food.Originally posted by kalangkabo:last time metal one can
nowadays kevlar ones not good heat conductors... -
helmet is very much recommended, even for ordinary ops.
i've seen a few guys bless their helmets after coming into sharp contact with the inside of APC's, embarking and disembarking other vehicles, and going through alot of rubble in partially destroyed and going through intact FIBUA situations.
the time you need your helmet most, is the time when you dont have it on.
as already posted above, its not for direct hits - never was..
jungle hats, garrison hats, boonies, etc, will never afford you the same level of protection.
when the environment is deemed safe enough to take off the helmets, then by all means do so.
i've thanked my lucky stars for my helmet when i got hit underneath a 747