Should SAF issue bullet-proof vests?
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I'll wager you'll want a robot to do your job.Originally posted by zoik:How about some distance...
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have u cleared one before?Originally posted by Nelstar:When you're clearing blinds, you want something better than bulletproof vest. Trust me. -
You got nothing guarding your 'brother' for sure..Originally posted by 12qwaszx:have u cleared one before? -
Depends on the size of blinds you're clearing, its probaly good enough when clearing 9mm rounds, can't say the same for an 84mm.Originally posted by 12qwaszx:like what other level-headed forumites here have said, SAF will issue you bullet proof vests if you are deployed for ops or are doing something dangerous like clearing blinds -
sfg can le...Originally posted by ditzy:Depends on the size of blinds you're clearing, its probaly good enough when clearing 9mm rounds, can't say the same for an 84mm. -
we were only issued a steel plate vest when my PC cleared 84mm blinds
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What will his face and balls do when it goes out under him or in his face?Originally posted by 12qwaszx:we were only issued a steel plate vest when my PC cleared 84mm blinds -
Excuse me.. In Brunei, troops do wear helmets for training. You what unit one?Originally posted by bcoy:Vests are issued based on missions. There are units using them if needed, including reservist infantry units (I won't go into specific details). Until there are newer technologies available, vests are still not practical enough for all missions in a tropical context. Even in Brunei, we didn't use helmets for jungle warfare (train as we fight?).
From reading the posts here - I wonder how many actually did their service in combat units. -
i think his face and his balls will be the last thing on his mind when that happens
although it would be good if they provide the standard protection given to EOD ppl, bottomline is, we are not EOD, so no such equipments. can only make do with basics. and it doesn't help when we're trained to clear blinds and on a tight deadline
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I served in a Guards unit - and for Brunei, we don't wear helmets on the move , only after FUP for a delibrate attacks. Everyone wore jungle hats as per CO's orders. (1991)Originally posted by insouciant:Excuse me.. In Brunei, troops do wear helmets for training. You what unit one? -
So you do wear helmet lah.Originally posted by bcoy:I served in a Guards unit - and for Brunei, we don't wear helmets on the move , only after FUP for a delibrate attacks. Everyone wore jungle hats as per CO's orders. (1991)
Since when they issue jungle hat to entire unit one? Last time only SOF, commandos, snipers, scouts / troopers and probably NDU? Never head of the entire unit issued jungle hat. -
Lets just say that my unit was a little bit different. And if I remembered correctly - the Brunei instructors were a little bit pissed with us (Regulars arguing with regulars). Imagine - the battalion, moving with jungle hats only for jungle warfare. Helmets were strap to the SBO, until the actual attack (to satisfy the instructors). Our CO was really a great officer, went on to be the CCO right after.Originally posted by insouciant:So you do wear helmet lah.
Since when they issue jungle hat to entire unit one? Last time only SOF, commandos, snipers, scouts / troopers and probably NDU? Never head of the entire unit issued jungle hat.
The jungle hats were not issued officially - we paid for them, given a big discount for battalion level purchase. It was a long time ago, I suspect we may be the first, but not the last unit to do so, I think. This was done only in Brunei but the hats remain with us for unofficial use in the field for the rest of our NS (provided other people don't complain).
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now i think...any TDH can wear jungle hats....seen some SIRs using it also...
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CSS units too. But only in the field, and it's on a mission specific basis.Originally posted by Hellraiza:now i think...any TDH can wear jungle hats....seen some SIRs using it also...
Also for SSC and MSR exercises for senior specs and officers. -
even BMTC instructors wear them out in the field.... ATEC worse men wear helmet Sect comdr and above jungle hat. i rather go without anything on my head... wearing helmets with 732(now 610 set) earpiece is uncomfortableOriginally posted by Hellraiza:now i think...any TDH can wear jungle hats....seen some SIRs using it also... -
precisely. When i went for field training during bmt recourse, all the instructors were wearing jungle hats. OC came along and asked them, "u all recce-trained is it?" All quietly took them off...Originally posted by decepticon25:even BMTC instructors wear them out in the field.... ATEC worse men wear helmet Sect comdr and above jungle hat. -
Nah BA is not some secret-squirrel controlled item like our NODs. They ARE a store item, and FOR UNITS THAT NEED THEM, they are issued en masse. When I got mine, it was just handed over to me, and I kept it in my room. No need to return to store after every exercise or OP or whatever. You keep it and take care of it, and when you're posted out, you return it.
Some other units who dont need it as much use it ONLY for specific OPs. Like 4NTM (Alert Red) etc. So yes, theirs would be considered a controlled item, but only because they dont use it for every exercise, unlike others who have to, like I did. But controlled only because their storemen are tight-arses and wanna have more paper work but less items missing!
Sorry for folks in the rear with the gear like Oxford Mushroom, you will never get to fondle BA. And thank God for that too. I would rather the front-liners get better kit, than REMFs get a new toy they would get all excited about for ten minutes, then throw in the corner and never use.
And I think Gedanken has earned his lumps as a front-liner. So I would respect whatever he has to say, about front-line stuff. Ive never seen him argue about say... hmm... how to change a tyre in a 5ton for example.
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Hmmm, i believe that there must be respect for "front-liner" troops. But as "front-liner" troops, without ur storemen and mechanics doing stuff at the back of everything, u think anything will happen?
Don't let ur heads get into the clouds, and respect those who have to face other challenges too. Like getting ur vehicles back in working order for u to use it. SAF is not gonna be so cost ineffective by issueing every storeman, driver and mechanic with body armor. Agreed, save those for the guys at the front. Instead, give the mechanics better tools, and storemen better systems to work with.
In the end, every bugger in green is still a soldier. They may hold different responsibilities, but eventually, they are all still serving the same country. -
Ha ha ha.. the instructors were probably pissed that someone else was wearing the jungle hats besides them. But the if CO say of, I guess they didn't have much to say.Originally posted by bcoy:Lets just say that my unit was a little bit different. And if I remembered correctly - the Brunei instructors were a little bit pissed with us (Regulars arguing with regulars). Imagine - the battalion, moving with jungle hats only for jungle warfare. Helmets were strap to the SBO, until the actual attack (to satisfy the instructors). Our CO was really a great officer, went on to be the CCO right after.
The jungle hats were not issued officially - we paid for them, given a big discount for battalion level purchase. It was a long time ago, I suspect we may be the first, but not the last unit to do so, I think. This was done only in Brunei but the hats remain with us for unofficial use in the field for the rest of our NS (provided other people don't complain).
I still have the jungle hat somewhere in my house.
Well, I guess if your CO says ok and everyone bought theirs.. Still never heard of wearing jungle hat for movement until FUP then put on helmets.
What happens if you are contacted or worse ambushed.
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Agreed, Shotgun. I'll be the first to admit that without our support, everything would quickly grind to a halt. Whenever my CSM pissed off the MT line or signal store guys, I had to go see my mates there to smooth things over and get everything running again. Having been my company's "go to" guy, I've got plenty of respect for the support guys and more than a decade later, a lot of them are still mates.Originally posted by Shotgun:Hmmm, i believe that there must be respect for "front-liner" troops. But as "front-liner" troops, without ur storemen and mechanics doing stuff at the back of everything, u think anything will happen?
Don't let ur heads get into the clouds, and respect those who have to face other challenges too. Like getting ur vehicles back in working order for u to use it. SAF is not gonna be so cost ineffective by issueing every storeman, driver and mechanic with body armor. Agreed, save those for the guys at the front. Instead, give the mechanics better tools, and storemen better systems to work with.
In the end, every bugger in green is still a soldier. They may hold different responsibilities, but eventually, they are all still serving the same country.
That said, there's support crew and there's REMFs, the difference being that the REMFs are so busy interfering with everybody else's job that they don't have time to do their own jobs properly and professionally. By the same measure, I suppose you'd have jerks from the front line (like my CSM) who rain sh!t on the support guys for no good reason, and that's not acceptable either. As Incedrius so kindly noted, I never pretended to specialise in anything other than my job, because I was too busy making sure I did it right. -
That's right.Basically, REMFs, they want to do the job of someone else, and they neglect their own responsibilites, and it ends in a situation where the CSS chaps get shafted because they do no have proper management and leadership either.Originally posted by Gedanken:Agreed, Shotgun. I'll be the first to admit that without our support, everything would quickly grind to a halt. Whenever my CSM pissed off the MT line or signal store guys, I had to go see my mates there to smooth things over and get everything running again. Having been my company's "go to" guy, I've got plenty of respect for the support guys and more than a decade later, a lot of them are still mates.
That said, there's support crew and there's REMFs, the difference being that the REMFs are so busy interfering with everybody else's job that they don't have time to do their own jobs properly and professionally. By the same measure, I suppose you'd have jerks from the front line (like my CSM) who rain sh!t on the support guys for no good reason, and that's not acceptable either. As Incedrius so kindly noted, I never pretended to specialise in anything other than my job, because I was too busy making sure I did it right. -
The only use for people like you is for target practice...it will improve the gene pool a great deal.Originally posted by Gedanken:Aww, touched a nerve, did I?
If you want to start this "I'm so important, spend money on me" stuff, you'd better grow up and be prepared for people to do something other than quietly listen to your obnoxious crap.
Fact of the matter is that even if the SAF did take to issuing BAs, it'll be a long time before you catch sight of one. The lads on the front line would need it a helluva lot more than you do. They're there to do the key work, and you're there to clean up the mess, so you may as well get used to the janitor's role. -
i guess they would never make it standard issue because first we are more of a jungle oriented force... its more for close quarter kind of combat
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If the average Joe wearing green gets BA...times will be hellish. REAL war liaoz.
Anyway, this sort of thing requires lots of planning and time. Which means that we all will actually be inform of "tension" in ties and get psycologically prepared for real mob. The logistics is horrible. Can you imagine delivering lorry after lorry of BA to equip units?