we should begin a drive to get ppl to enlist after Os.
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for the sake of their future.
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body haven't mature..what if they totally lose interest and left with an O level cert..how??
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you think about it, kids nowadays put things off till the very last minute. after their Os, a large number of them don't even know what they want to do for the rest of their life. they're still too busy enjoying being young. rather than waste their 2-4 years studying in a course that they might not have interest in, why not send them to army for the 2 years. they have 2 years to mature in their thinking, 2 years to get more hobbies, and 2 years to think about life.
looking back on hingsight, i'd much rather get a job immediately after completing my studies than spend 2 years in the military. let's not talk about skills atrophying or anything, it's more about the urge to want to do something.
also, hopfully if eventually more and more boys choose to go NS with only an Os cert, the system might hopefully come to realise that leaders are chosen from those with leadership qualities, not those who know how to mug. -
i'm more concern that the army will teach them more wrong things.
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reservist start earlier too...
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ditto.Originally posted by nismoS132:you think about it, kids nowadays put things off till the very last minute. after their Os, a large number of them don't even know what they want to do for the rest of their life. they're still too busy enjoying being young. rather than waste their 2-4 years studying in a course that they might not have interest in, why not send them to army for the 2 years. they have 2 years to mature in their thinking, 2 years to get more hobbies, and 2 years to think about life.
looking back on hingsight, i'd much rather get a job immediately after completing my studies than spend 2 years in the military. let's not talk about skills atrophying or anything, it's more about the urge to want to do something.
also, hopfully if eventually more and more boys choose to go NS with only an Os cert, the system might hopefully come to realise that leaders are chosen from those with leadership qualities, not those who know how to mug.
fcuk the nation!
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Imagine the vocab of hokkien you learn and how jaded you become at such a young age..
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Wah lao... at 16, can you imagine how the mothers would react?
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if one of the trainees die , UN and Amnesty international will kpkb and the international organisation against child labour and blah blah blah
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Wah, crazy or what, enlist after Os...
Don't want to suddenly have an influx of immigrants from Singapore in my new country just because their parents want them to avoid NS... -
A drive is not a compulsory enlistment for those students who finish their O levels. Don't worry about itOriginally posted by Coquitlam:Wah, crazy or what, enlist after Os...
Don't want to suddenly have an influx of immigrants from Singapore in my new country just because their parents want them to avoid NS...
For some people I think it'll do them a world of good. Give them more opportunities to mature and once they realise how hard life is in the army they won't waste their time when they can get back to studying. If you go to Poly or take your As after NS you can go straightaway for further studies in the local Unis or work without having to waste anymore time.
Anyway there's a Voluntary enlistment scheme for those who want to go in early. Minimum age is 16 i think. However it's not well-publicised or encouraged because SAF policy is to let guys finish their poly or JC studies and then enlist. To them, people who haven't gone to poly or JC are not considered to be mature enough to handle army life. I wonder how true that is for most of us. -
they ough to reverse that reasoning.
guys after NS will be more matured for tertiary education. -
anyway , americans , japanese have not served NS , that means they are not matured?
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It's not a fair comparison. Comparing their size of the population and Singapore's . Look , we are not the only country that has compulsory NS and I feel this is good for boys that will become man. I do agree that SAF is screwed up after going through it for 2 years but NS is not a waste of time , we learn , make friends , go through thick and thin with our fellow mates.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:anyway , americans , japanese have not served NS , that means they are not matured?
ns is a joke
Think again if you think NS is a joke. If there is a war involving Singapore , who is going to defend the island ? Mind you , we are living on an island unlike Japan or US.
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NS is a joke , but i didn't say defending the nation was a jokeOriginally posted by K800i:It's not a fair comparison. Comparing their size of the population and Singapore's . Look , we are not the only country that has compulsory NS and I feel this is good for boys that will become man. I do agree that SAF is screwed up after going through it for 2 years but NS is not a waste of time , we learn , make friends , go through thick and thin with our fellow mates.
Think again if you think NS is a joke. If there is a war involving Singapore , who is going to defend the island ? Mind you , we are living on an island unlike Japan or US.
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Also , by effing one another up , sooner or later it will be friendly fire first before killing the enemy start first
I don't understand why are there so many backstabbing in SAF..."politics"
torturing of recruits leading to untimely death , but why aren't the upper ups blamed? and the recent piano case of $3,000?
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like that all will become LCP... den all storeman???
no specs and officers leh... due to the education lvl.
since now all serve 2 years liao, maybe enlist after poly or jc also not bad mah. or else army become like NCC leh...
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I believe that we should look at training deaths with an open mind.Though unacceptable, but it might not be unavoidable. Like when during a live fire exercise, someone slips up and gets people killed.Or like the CSC incident, military training requires pushing of the envelope,if not it would not serve its purpose at all.
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i agree with uOriginally posted by nismoS132:you think about it, kids nowadays put things off till the very last minute. after their Os, a large number of them don't even know what they want to do for the rest of their life. they're still too busy enjoying being young. rather than waste their 2-4 years studying in a course that they might not have interest in, why not send them to army for the 2 years. they have 2 years to mature in their thinking, 2 years to get more hobbies, and 2 years to think about life.
looking back on hingsight, i'd much rather get a job immediately after completing my studies than spend 2 years in the military. let's not talk about skills atrophying or anything, it's more about the urge to want to do something.
also, hopfully if eventually more and more boys choose to go NS with only an Os cert, the system might hopefully come to realise that leaders are chosen from those with leadership qualities, not those who know how to mug. -
16, 17 years old are too young to face the harsh taraining (depending on your unit). and their mindset, can they take the regimentation, tekan-ing, chao-keng, eye-power, talked-down to, arrowed at etc or not?
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Amen to that and slightly off topic ( to Gordon) . I like Ayumi too , her new singles Born to be/Startin are superb songs.Originally posted by Gordonator:16, 17 years old are too young to face the harsh taraining (depending on your unit). and their mindset, can they take the regimentation, tekan-ing, chao-keng, eye-power, talked-down to, arrowed at etc or not?
i say at least give them 2 more years till they are 18, 19 when they are more mature. -
Dun worry about the vocab. I am 16 and i hav them alreadyOriginally posted by jianfish9:Imagine the vocab of hokkien you learn and how jaded you become at such a young age..
I think better not.
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thank you for your support toward ayumi, i love her too.Originally posted by K800i:Amen to that and slightly off topic ( to Gordon) . I like Ayumi too , her new singles Born to be/Startin are superb songs.
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So sorry to hear that.Originally posted by Qing^.^:Dun worry about the vocab. I am 16 and i hav them already
But NS is no NCC. -
They will be brainwashed to sign on, imagine the agony.