Army Boys love to sing
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Awakened thrice at night by recruits' singing
Today
March 7, 2006
Letter from Tan Lay Yan
I AM a resident of Marine Parade and my apartment block is situated next to East Coast Park.
In recent months, I have noticed the park has been increasingly used as a training ground for army recruits. On Feb 28 at midnight, I saw a huge group of recruits marching along the pedestrian walkway in the park. They were singing and chanting loudly.
I was rudely awakened at 3.30am when the recruits marched past the stretch of park near my block. Little did I expect that I would be awakened again at 5.30am and 6am by the recruits singing at the top of their voice!
While I appreciate the need to build up the recruits' stamina through road marches, such training should not be carried out at the expense of the residents' sleep. Ideally, army training near residential areas should be done before midnight. If it has to take place after midnight, the noise should be kept to a minimum. -
Kill the man! Screwed my galfriend!
With my rifle and my buddy and meeeeeeeeeee!
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u shd be happy that it is SAF in training ...
U probably have not been thru NS, u think the recruits like to train after midnite ...marching while u are in yr sleep ...?
take heart - they are our boys hard in training, sing aloud to keep them awake !!
Appreciate what u have -
everything also complain.
i think i should write in and say our water starting to taste like pee.
are the filters working at the newater plant?
(don't tell me how reverse osmosis works. its just a crap comment, like the 30K posts i have contributed) -
3rd guards recruits, u know what to do now right?
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Sing, residents KPKB.Originally posted by Gordonator:3rd guards recruits, u know what to do now right?
Don't sing, sergeants KPKB.
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LOL!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Sing, residents KPKB.
Don't sing, sergeants KPKB.
Oh boy.What to do..what to do..
But seriously that person who wrote in is really....dunno what to say. Sigh. Singaporeans take NS and the defence of our country for granted. -
Cant forget
Days in army
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no lah. i have to agree with the guy. i'm pretty sure got other place to traina nd other stuff. even if dun have also if late at night inresidential or places with pple, they can always not sing and keep the volume down. from my experience its not like the soldiers cannot march or run without singing. the singing is extra one.Originally posted by Hellraiza:LOL!
But seriously that person who wrote in is really....dunno what to say. Sigh. Singaporeans take NS and the defence of our country for granted. -
from the name of the person posting it,it is a female.
Tell her that she may even get to sleep at all if not cos of us Guys doing the tough work and providing a defense to the country where she reside in.
Complain so much,taking her country's defence and NS for granted just because she does not have to serve NS. -
well for one,singing is actually to help the trainees forget about their fatigue as much as possible.It is also to help in training up the lung muscles so that the general stamina of the soldiers are betterOriginally posted by hisoka:no lah. i have to agree with the guy. i'm pretty sure got other place to traina nd other stuff. even if dun have also if late at night inresidential or places with pple, they can always not sing and keep the volume down. from my experience its not like the soldiers cannot march or run without singing. the singing is extra one. -
i always foudn it a bother and unnessary personally truth be told.Originally posted by Aveme:well for one,singing is actually to help the trainees forget about their fatigue as much as possible.It is also to help in training up the lung muscles so that the general stamina of the soldiers are better
however, i do believe if you are marchign in the middle of the night then you can forget about training the lungs. (btw if most of the march is done at night so that the lung training has to be done then too, then we have to question the training schedule dont we??)
fatigue wise maybe bah, but then again from personal experience i feel its useless. and maybe they should consider it as an extra conditioning to do it without the singing.
afterall while training is important, they should consider others too, especially when small adjustments can be done to convenience other with no expense.
on the other hand i really have to wonder why need to march in residential areas at night. i'm guessing there are other places like tekong or other islands or those army training grounds, but i wont stake anything on this though
edit: out of topic but just wondering. does it ever chafe you guys that you are made to do "stupid" things in the army and no reasons are given? i mean if some one had actually told me that the stupid singing was to increase stamina maybe i won't have felt it was so stupid and maybe joined in more eagerly. -
It is not to increase stamina lah...If you are singing, you are not working hard enough!
It is probably one of those things they ripped off the US army and marines again. You know...they have a HooAH culture...and all that nonsense.
It is also dumb to train them to forget their fatigue in this way. The british army's Paras call route marches Tactical Advance to Battle. They are right. We seem to have forgotten that we are route marching for a purpose. Do we really want to advertise our presence by singing?
Hao shue Bu shue, shue ze zong mei yong de don xi. -
no lah the stamina and fatigue part makes sense if you think of it. the problem is it doesn't work on all, for example i tend to reject and hold back(okz i admit my rational is not to push myself too ahrd cos i dun wanna get hurt or die for nothing) so the fatigue part is useless to me.Originally posted by lwflee:It is not to increase stamina lah...If you are singing, you are not working hard enough!
It is probably one of those things they ripped off the US army and marines again. You know...they have a HooAH culture...and all that nonsense.
Hao shue Bu shue, shue ze zong mei yong de don xi. -
of coz ppl everything also complain la....worst complain i saw on the forums is that one b!tch wrote to ST forums saying that the "MANGO" fashion boutique was playing inappropriate music....Originally posted by kopiosatu:everything also complain.
i think i should write in and say our water starting to taste like pee.
are the filters working at the newater plant?
(don't tell me how reverse osmosis works. its just a crap comment, like the 30K posts i have contributed)
singaporeans these days...everything must also complain.... -
see edited post.Originally posted by hisoka:no lah the stamina and fatigue part makes sense if you think of it. the problem is it doesn't work on all, for example i tend to reject and hold back(okz i admit my rational is not to push myself too ahrd cos i dun wanna get hurt or die for nothing) so the fatigue part is useless to me.
Re training to incrase stamina...like I said, you want to train harder, then walk faster/longer. Much more effective than singing.
Just to add that singing does have its purpose. Every morning at about 8am you will hear many people singing in Army camps. The purpose? To let the Div/Bde Com know that they are working la! Otherwise the go training no one know what is the point! Also explains why ppl like to run at 0730 to 0830. Otherwise no one know they are training.
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The lady really need a scolding...
What is the problem been waking up in the middle of the night by army guy singing... she should be grateful that there are people like them to protect people like her...
What is a few hour of slp compare to the company of men whom are training for the defense of your country -_-!!! -
well when you sing,it will tax your lung power,so actually at first it will make those singing to have problem regulating their breathing but the lung now know its is not powerful enough and will try to build itself up to try catching up with the increase demands of it,just like if you do body building,the muscle will try to build itself up from heavier and heavier demands of working out.So it is actually to make you work to your max instead of not working hard enough.Originally posted by lwflee:It is not to increase stamina lah...If you are singing, you are not working hard enough!
It is probably one of those things they ripped off the US army and marines again. You know...they have a HooAH culture...and all that nonsense.
It is also dumb to train them to forget their fatigue in this way. The british army's Paras call route marches Tactical Advance to Battle. They are right. We seem to have forgotten that we are route marching for a purpose. Do we really want to advertise our presence by singing?
Hao shue Bu shue, shue ze zong mei yong de don xi.
True they can do this another way by making the trainees walk or run faster so that their breathing is more ragged,but well they will also involve way more muscular demand and lead to muscular fatigue way faster than is ideal for a long march. -
3rd Guards where recruits last year Dec 04 to Mar 05 leh.Originally posted by Gordonator:3rd guards recruits, u know what to do now right?
Now Ops ready. haha
I think almost any mainland unit will do their route march there. I have seen tonners with troops in PT kit just to run at ECP.
But sticking to the topic.... which part of ECP that soldiers march are within earshot of residential areas? -
If you want to train their hearts, to train their body to handle oxygen deprivation, then I suggest that short sharp busrts of speed, followed by periods of rest is the way to go (interval trg). Professional sprtsmen do that, why not the army? Singing does not really tax their lungs and there is no real way of monitoring who is not actually singing. Again, If you can sing, you are not training anything other than singing.Originally posted by Aveme:well when you sing,it will tax your lung power,so actually at first it will make those singing to have problem regulating their breathing but the lung now know its is not powerful enough and will try to build itself up to try catching up with the increase demands of it,just like if you do body building,the muscle will try to build itself up from heavier and heavier demands of working out.So it is actually to make you work to your max instead of not working hard enough.
True they can do this another way by making the trainees walk or run faster so that their breathing is more ragged,but well they will also involve way more muscular demand and lead to muscular fatigue way faster than is ideal for a long march.
So whatever advantages to be gained by singing, can be gained through other more effective and proven methods.
To move on with why NOT singing - Singing on route marches is not training as you fight. I have been involved in a brigade exercise and a couple of battalion exercises before, and as far as I know, when marching to attack the objective, nobody advertises their presence by singing. In fact, during those marches, stealth is the key. That is why we are told to tape down everything, not to use torches, not to talk, not to mark routes too obviously and to avoid attacking in broad day light.
Singing helps lift morale. mmm...Maybe or probably. But you do not have that luxury when on exercise or on Ops so why not learn to live w/o that luxury?
Singing builds camaraderie - Yes, I agree. Then make them sing when marching to the cook house or something. -
ask her does she want to get raped by the enemies if our soldiers suck?
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simple, next time use tactical movement when near housing estate.
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Crap lah
Like this also must complain.... -
Complaining about the wrong things in life, when it comes to vital issues like politics and rights, they suddenly become as compliant as sheep.Originally posted by AE86tofu:of coz ppl everything also complain la....worst complain i saw on the forums is that one b!tch wrote to ST forums saying that the "MANGO" fashion boutique was playing inappropriate music.... singaporeans these days...everything must also complain....
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If don sing loud and clear, go back company line sure kana jialat jialat.
