Police entering camps.

• Ponders

  9 Mar 06, 00:01

  When Police enter army camps, are they required to surrender their weapons to the guard room?
  
  Since GD room standing orders prohibit booking in with firearms.
  
  
• beavan

  9 Mar 06, 00:06

  since when police can enter camps without CO approval?
• beavan

  9 Mar 06, 00:07

  and yea i think they do need to surrender arms..
• beavan

  9 Mar 06, 00:07

  repost
• Ponders

  9 Mar 06, 00:58

  Originally posted by beavan:

  since when police can enter camps without CO approval?

  I dunno.
  
  usually every mono intake Police will come in to give a talk about Gangs and Drugs.
  
  If a civil incident happen in camp, it is police's problem what. Like the Heli-rappeling incident. Don't ask me how it is a civil incident, but it is being investigated by police.
  
  Police use Pasir Laba range.
  
  Police train in tekong.
• Shotgun

  9 Mar 06, 02:04

  Ha, my camp used to have a lot of police presence. See them walking around with mp5s and Grenade launchers pretty often. We were complaining why they din have to contribute to the guard duty roster also... since they were sharing the camp. Heh.
  
  
• gUms

  9 Mar 06, 02:29

  which unit is that shotgun ?
• Ponders

  9 Mar 06, 06:53

  Originally posted by Shotgun:

  Ha, my camp used to have a lot of police presence. See them walking around with mp5s and Grenade launchers pretty often. We were complaining why they din have to contribute to the guard duty roster also... since they were sharing the camp. Heh.
  
  

  why would police have grenade launchers? Inside CS gas ah?
  
  hmm.. sounds like NSMen Kins installation. but hey, what do i know. haha.
  
  
• Gordonator

  9 Mar 06, 08:27

  the only exception that i let them book in with firearms is when they come to my camp for range.
• tankee1981

  9 Mar 06, 10:41

  Yes policemen cannot bring arms into camp. Usually they will have one guy collect all their revolvers and stay in the Gurad Rm still the rest have returned. They also need to ask permission to enter camp, there is once the plain clothes CID people come to arrest a guy who have commited some offences outside. He requested that the guard room people to call to ask permission but not to inform that suspect.
• photo_seeker

  9 Mar 06, 11:06

  But what if they have only 2 officerrs going over and 1 guard the arms, the other officer one man show?
• wklee

  9 Mar 06, 22:06

  Originally posted by Shotgun:

  Ha, my camp used to have a lot of police presence. See them walking around with mp5s and Grenade launchers pretty often. We were complaining why they din have to contribute to the guard duty roster also... since they were sharing the camp. Heh.
  
  

  reason is simple
  because the police paid SAF for using the range
• SpecOps87

  10 Mar 06, 00:12

  Yes, Police have to surrendar arms. During AA 2006, saw those cops who were using the SAF ferry Terminal as Command Post, all without arms, except for the two stationed at the gate with the RPs/Guards.
• Shotgun

  10 Mar 06, 01:14

  Actually no... Those guys are coast guards. And their base happened to be at our camp. So whenever they go out for patrol, they would go out pretty well loaded. Used to sit by the water watching them launch off. Heh.
• kaka_22

  10 Mar 06, 05:03

  Spcial Task Squadron???
• Shotgun

  10 Mar 06, 21:02

  Nope, they are just regular ol coast guards. They do the same things we do in our free time... raid our canteens.
• Prestroz

  10 Mar 06, 21:20

  Originally posted by photo_seeker:

  But what if they have only 2 officerrs going over and 1 guard the arms, the other officer one man show?

  Of course not... the usual case would be some guys from the camp would accompany the CID officer to make the arrest...
• Archtomato

  13 Mar 06, 14:14

  Originally posted by Ponders:

  When Police enter army camps, are they required to surrender their weapons to the guard room?
  
  Since GD room standing orders prohibit booking in with firearms.
  
  

  The SPF and any non-mindef organisation have no jurisdiction inside mindef premises. Any personnel subjected to law have to be handed over by MP if they are inside the Camp premises.
  
  BUT the commandant or CO can let police come-in even with fire-arms. Seen before.
  
  Cheers
• Ponders

  13 Mar 06, 16:58

  Originally posted by Archtomato:

  The SPF and any non-mindef organisation have no jurisdiction inside mindef premises. Any personnel subjected to law have to be handed over by MP if they are inside the Camp premises.
  
  BUT the commandant or CO can let police come-in even with fire-arms. Seen before.
  
  Cheers

  actually the jurisdiction part very touchy issue lah... no distinct line like US.
  
  Because police got jusrisdiction in Singapore. like Ops Manhunt is a police operation essentially, just that its conducted on Military grounds.
• Archtomato

  13 Mar 06, 17:27

  Originally posted by Ponders:

  actually the jurisdiction part very touchy issue lah... no distinct line like US.
  
  Because police got jusrisdiction in Singapore. like Ops Manhunt is a police operation essentially, just that its conducted on Military grounds.

  U have a point, there is no clear line. But there is some form of a line when Mindef is concerned. Ops manhunt was a mainly a police ops coz the men involved were illegal immigrants who had already been spotted by Police CG unit.
• Ponders

  13 Mar 06, 23:39

  But if Police wants to arrest an in-service personnel, there's a directive on it. But i never read thoroughly. Basically must go thru proper channel... that is police will contact Provost.
  
  Provost will look into the case and then handover the person.
• Ponders

  13 Mar 06, 23:43

  Actually come to think of it... actually almost non-miltary affairs within camps are still handled by police.
  
  THere was one time one mother barged into my camp because son was going to be sent to DB. Mother make lots of noise and make a nuisance of herself.
  
  There are only 3 female servicewoman and all are non-combat trained. So no choice but to call in police to drag her out of camp.
• Shotgun

  14 Mar 06, 01:29

  If i am not wrong, police have absolute jurisdiction regarding all civil offences. Inclusive of murder, theft, assault(non-related to duty), rape, etc.
  
  Assault, if eg, camp guard has to use force to bring down an intruder, no problem lar, cos in the line of duty wad.
  
  Otherwise, all other offences, eg, AWOL, treason, misfiring, non-compliance, are military, and will be handled by military courts, or by JDO, or SDO...
  
  Eg, Murder case in camp. Police will come in to investigate. Absolute aurthority to secure crime scene etc. Mindef would have to cooperate with police to do that.
  
  Police will enter camp with arms if needed to. Eg, hostage situation in camp, hostage taker is armed. Camp guards are not trained to handle this kinda situations, so the police will take over the situation.
  
  Hahah, got another more interesting question. Can ISD officers enter camp with firearms without prior notification?
• LazerLordz

  14 Mar 06, 01:50

  Originally posted by Shotgun:

  If i am not wrong, police have absolute jurisdiction regarding all civil offences. Inclusive of murder, theft, assault(non-related to duty), rape, etc.
  
  Assault, if eg, camp guard has to use force to bring down an intruder, no problem lar, cos in the line of duty wad.
  
  Otherwise, all other offences, eg, AWOL, treason, misfiring, non-compliance, are military, and will be handled by military courts, or by JDO, or SDO...
  
  Eg, Murder case in camp. Police will come in to investigate. Absolute aurthority to secure crime scene etc. Mindef would have to cooperate with police to do that.
  
  Police will enter camp with arms if needed to. Eg, hostage situation in camp, hostage taker is armed. Camp guards are not trained to handle this kinda situations, so the police will take over the situation.
  
  Hahah, got another more interesting question. Can ISD officers enter camp with firearms without prior notification?

  Not possible.
  
  Even MSD must sign in.If I was the GC, these chaps will not get past the guardroom until they state their purpose, or they get their superior to inform the complex DO and unit commander in black and white.
  
  Any attempted forced entry will be met with consequences, because entry without permission or notification is construed as trespassing.
• Ponders

  14 Mar 06, 02:43

  to better illustrate.
  
  police has jurisdiction on CIVIL matters.
  
  BUT if it happen in camp, they have to seek approval before entering the camp.
  
  investigation are still carried out by them.
  
  Simply because Provost/SIB lack the resources, but investigation will be done hand in hand.