Case Study:911 scenario in Singapore
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Case Scenario:
One passenger aircraft had been hijack by terrorists and it seems the 911 idea of crashing planes is still there. Subject aircraft is in Singapore airspace heading towards town dropping altitude.
the passenger craft is full of both foreign and local passengers. 2 f-16s scrambled to intercept the airliner.
question is, with the flying steel heading straight to ground zero, Would you bring it down?
lets say you are the pilot of the f-16 and you see those little kids and their parents at the airplane's window looking all worried. its not going to make things any easier.
even if you did not see the facial expressions or the passengers on board. what will you be thinking? -
man...now tat's tough...
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personally i feel if you sure its gonna crash then you must think of the number of pple that will die when the plane crashes. choose ht one with less casulties.Originally posted by casshern:Case Scenario:
One passenger aircraft had been hijack by terrorists and it seems the 911 idea of crashing planes is still there. Subject aircraft is in Singapore airspace heading towards town dropping altitude.
the passenger craft is full of both foreign and local passengers. 2 f-16s scrambled to intercept the airliner.
question is, with the flying steel heading straight to ground zero, Would you bring it down?
lets say you are the pilot of the f-16 and you see those little kids and their parents at the airplane's window looking all worried. its not going to make things any easier.
even if you did not see the facial expressions or the passengers on board. what will you be thinking? -
you know how small our airspaces actually is ? ...
you know some of the jumbo jets have to turn into indonesian airspace before coming in for a landing at Changi ? ...
if the stated intention of that airplane is to crash into say, raffles city (can't think of a better target) .... then that plane is probably still in foreign airspace, how to shoot ? .... -
ok ok .... wateva it is, certerus paribus. (meaning all factors remain constant)Originally posted by Fatum:you know how small our airspaces actually is ? ...
you know some of the jumbo jets have to turn into indonesian airspace before coming in for a landing at Changi ? ...
if the stated intention of that airplane is to crash into say, raffles city (can't think of a better target) .... then that plane is probably still in foreign airspace, how to shoot ? ....
dun take into consideration what ever. anyway u said some of the jumbo jets. maybe the smaller ones like the gulfstream or maybe some of the smaller boeings. -
Depends on where it is. If it is already over or going to be over singapore, then bring it down at the first opportunity. Else give the passengers a chance to regain control of the plane.
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UFOs can't even spot singapore, still want to say terrorists?
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soldiers/pilots and other war personnel should have been mentally prepared, when in war, as a soldier, there are no exceptions, you follow orders from the top, no questions asked. when you are told to fire, you fire. its either they die, or you die.Originally posted by casshern:Case Scenario:
One passenger aircraft had been hijack by terrorists and it seems the 911 idea of crashing planes is still there. Subject aircraft is in Singapore airspace heading towards town dropping altitude.
the passenger craft is full of both foreign and local passengers. 2 f-16s scrambled to intercept the airliner.
question is, with the flying steel heading straight to ground zero, Would you bring it down?
lets say you are the pilot of the f-16 and you see those little kids and their parents at the airplane's window looking all worried. its not going to make things any easier.
even if you did not see the facial expressions or the passengers on board. what will you be thinking? -
No, no.Originally posted by ditzy:UFOs can't even spot singapore, still want to say terrorists?
They think Singapore is a province somewhere in China. -
if really bo pian have 2 destroy the plane so be it...cos this is war....ppl die....but the best way out 2 me is having lesser casualties....letting the plane hit the building will result in more disaster
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I think it's better to have lesser death isn't it ?
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Let's say the plane got shot down and it crashed into a building full of people as a result of being shot down. How ironic is that?Originally posted by AE86tofu:if really bo pian have 2 destroy the plane so be it...cos this is war....ppl die....but the best way out 2 me is having lesser casualties....letting the plane hit the building will result in more disaster -
CORRECT! tat was what i was thinking.Originally posted by ditzy:Let's say the plane got shot down and it crashed into a building full of people as a result of being shot down. How ironic is that?
Singapore is so jammed packed if the plane explode in mid air all the debris and sharpnels will fly all over and kill pple... -
For me...
I will shoot the missile supposedly to shoot down the plane but will miss it.
So at least i can blame the missile -
That is human error to be blameed...Originally posted by Ponders:For me...
I will shoot the missile supposedly to shoot down the plane but will miss it.
So at least i can blame the missile missile is not to be blamed... 
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Shooting down an airliner in a dense CBD, is the same as double trouble.
Given our tight airspace vectors, I would say we not shoot it down with a missile, but disable one of the engines with cannon fire, destabilising the flight somewhat and throwing the hijackers off balance.
Since many SIA pilots are ex-military, they can handle a emergency landing.The passengers have to take the law in their own hands from now on.
No more sitting down and shutting up.Time to piah chui.Do or die, better than waiting for the plane to crash right?Think about it, numbers always favor the passengers, just that they need to be CCB Ah Bengs with parangs at the moment. -
if missile lands at oxley road u will still be in deep ___Originally posted by Ponders:For me...
I will shoot the missile supposedly to shoot down the plane but will miss it.
So at least i can blame the missile -
Singaporeans are very obedient peopleOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Shooting down an airliner in a dense CBD, is the same as double trouble.
Given our tight airspace vectors, I would say we not shoot it down with a missile, but disable one of the engines with cannon fire, destabilising the flight somewhat and throwing the hijackers off balance.
Since many SIA pilots are ex-military, they can handle a emergency landing.The passengers have to take the law in their own hands from now on.
No more sitting down and shutting up.Time to piah chui.Do or die, better than waiting for the plane to crash right?Think about it, numbers always favor the passengers, just that they need to be CCB Ah Bengs with parangs at the moment.
i don't think they dare to go against the commands of terrorists -
Singapore is so small, the terrorists better make up their minds fast, or they'll just miss it and have to make another u-turn.
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plane should self destruct in the case of a hijack....
if not just fire anti-aircraft at it -
If i am not wrong, all flights have to make radio communication once they reach a certain distance near Singapore. That is for the ATC to stack them up for landing. At that distance I believe they would still require vectors to final from ATC. SO IF some terrorist hijacked some flight off Singapore n tries to crash into Singapore, the ATC would know, since the terrorist most likely wouldnt communicate with ATC when required to.
Once a course change is detected, and there is no communication with the aircraft, I believe the proper alerts would be sounded. -
That's quite true, read a few replies in other military forums... that's exactly what some in US believesOriginally posted by charlize:No, no.
They think Singapore is a province somewhere in China.
Even read an article by a so-called military affairs expert quoting that... can't imagine
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What if you are charged with war crimes? Remember, "I was just following orders" doesn't wash anymore.Originally posted by coffeeortea:soldiers/pilots and other war personnel should have been mentally prepared, when in war, as a soldier, there are no exceptions, you follow orders from the top, no questions asked. when you are told to fire, you fire. its either they die, or you die. -
It was even made into a book!Originally posted by MobyDog:That's quite true, read a few replies in other military forums... that's exactly what some in US believes
Even read an article by a so-called military affairs expert quoting that... can't imagine -
Yup.. for southbound flights they have to contact from Mersing,Originally posted by Shotgun:If i am not wrong, all flights have to make radio communication once they reach a certain distance near Singapore. That is for the ATC to stack them up for landing. At that distance I believe they would still require vectors to final from ATC. SO IF some terrorist hijacked some flight off Singapore n tries to crash into Singapore, the ATC would know, since the terrorist most likely wouldnt communicate with ATC when required to.
Once a course change is detected, and there is no communication with the aircraft, I believe the proper alerts would be sounded.
North bound, this beacon called Rames or something.
There are a few reporting points. But singapore radar can track aircrafts in a radius of almost 300 Nm. That's like SIngpaore-KL distance.
So ya... singapore ATC will konw intentions of these planes.